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Good points here.
I would like to see Davies play more LWB for Canada. His best game was against Belgium when he was playing in that position. Did he play there against Croatia? I cannot recall off-hand and I feel like he was further up the field in that match.
Ultimately, Davies is going to move around based on the opponent, which I don't mind as long as we get it right. I don't think anyone on the planet can contain Davies when he's running at opponents from deep, but up front he drops from unstoppable to just a "pain in the ass". The best teams in the world can deal with a pain in the ass.
If I had to generalize, I would say that within our region we want him high up the field. Against the best teams in the world, he should play LWB. That's my takeaway from the WC.

What Canada is lacking is depth at all positions . All national teams at some point go through this and of course experience playing against quality oppanants

So Croatia and Morocco have been knocked out now.  But it was interesting to watch how other teams played Croatia and Morocco, and to determine what Canada lacked against them. 
What I noticed most about how Croatia played Canada, versus how Croatia played against Brazil and Argentina, was that Croatia used some form of high press against Canada, but Croatia were reluctant to execute the same high press against Brazil and Argentina.  As you may know, the disadvantage with a high press is that if the defenders on the team you are pressing can manage to pass the ball out back to the midfield, there is a lot of space for a counter attack.  IMO, Croatia viewed Canada's defenders as having weaker passing ability and Croatia was right - our defenders made a lot of mistakes trying to pass the ball back out to midfield, and we lost possession to Croatia several times as a result. Against Brazil and Argentina though, Croatia respected the passing ability of their defenders and did not really press aggressively against Brazil and Argentina in their 1/3 of the field.
The next one is pretty obvious, but Borjan just had a bad World Cup.  Oh well, he got us through CONCACAF qualifying so I think we should be thankful for his play during qualifying.  Having said that, both the French keeper and Argentina keeper played a much better match than Borjan, when France beat Morocco and when Argentina beat Croatia. 
Another thing that is obvious is the quality of players we have.  For example, having a player like Messi, Mbappe, or Neymar would be so nice.  Messi and Mbappe were involved in the goals scored when Argentina beat Croatia and when France beat Morocco.  Neymar gave Brazil the go ahead goal against Croatia and Brazil just needed to defend for a few minutes. In general, having that quality, especially that depth of quality, is huge.  For France, they don't even have Karim Benzema and Paul Pobga, and they can still reach the World Cup finals.  In the case of Karim Benzema, he wasn't part of the World Cup squad when France won in 2018, and it looks like this year, France didn't need him either.  For England's last game, Sterling and Rashford came off the bench.  It would be nice for Canada if we had players like Sterling and Rashford sitting on the bench, and if we didn't need players of the quality of Karim Benzema and Paul Pogba to make the World Cup finals.
Lastly, I got to admit, a little luck helps too.  Looking back at the Morocco game, if Borjan didn't make that mistake and cleared the ball, and if Atiba Hutchinson's header had went in, our game against Morocco could have had a totally different result.  Morocco was a very beatable team, at least in the match we played them.  For Brazil, they just needed to defend for the last few minutes after Neymar scored - Brazil IMO, was clearly the better team than Croatia through 120 minutes of play (but of course, Croatia was just better in PKs). With a little more luck,I think Brazil would have gone through.  Japan had that luck, with their ball staying just inbounds, and they got through to the second round.
Anyways, I'm still proud of our boys and I look forward to how we perform in the 2026 World Cup.

So Croatia and Morocco have been knocked out now.  But it was interesting to watch how other teams played Croatia and Morocco, and to determine what Canada lacked against them. 
What I noticed most about how Croatia played Canada, versus how Croatia played against Brazil and Argentina, was that Croatia used some form of high press against Canada, but Croatia were reluctant to execute the same high press against Brazil and Argentina.  As you may know, the disadvantage with a high press is that if the defenders on the team you are pressing can manage to pass the ball out back to the midfield, there is a lot of space for a counter attack.  IMO, Croatia viewed Canada's defenders as having weaker passing ability and Croatia was right - our defenders made a lot of mistakes trying to pass the ball back out to midfield, and we lost possession to Croatia several times as a result. Against Brazil and Argentina though, Croatia respected the passing ability of their defenders and did not really press aggressively against Brazil and Argentina in their 1/3 of the field.
The next one is pretty obvious, but Borjan just had a bad World Cup.  Oh well, he got us through CONCACAF qualifying so I think we should be thankful for his play during qualifying.  Having said that, both the French keeper and Argentina keeper played a much better match than Borjan, when France beat Morocco and when Argentina beat Croatia. 
Another thing that is obvious is the quality of players we have.  For example, having a player like Messi, Mbappe, or Neymar would be so nice.  Messi and Mbappe were involved in the goals scored when Argentina beat Croatia and when France beat Morocco.  Neymar gave Brazil the go ahead goal against Croatia and Brazil just needed to defend for a few minutes. In general, having that quality, especially that depth of quality, is huge.  For France, they don't even have Karim Benzema and Paul Pobga, and they can still reach the World Cup finals.  In the case of Karim Benzema, he wasn't part of the World Cup squad when France won in 2018, and it looks like this year, France didn't need him either.  For England's last game, Sterling and Rashford came off the bench.  It would be nice for Canada if we had players like Sterling and Rashford sitting on the bench, and if we didn't need players of the quality of Karim Benzema and Paul Pogba to make the World Cup finals.
Lastly, I got to admit, a little luck helps too.  Looking back at the Morocco game, if Borjan didn't make that mistake and cleared the ball, and if Atiba Hutchinson's header had went in, our game against Morocco could have had a totally different result.  Morocco was a very beatable team, at least in the match we played them.  For Brazil, they just needed to defend for the last few minutes after Neymar scored - Brazil IMO, was clearly the better team than Croatia through 120 minutes of play (but of course, Croatia was just better in PKs). With a little more luck,I think Brazil would have gone through.  Japan had that luck, with their ball staying just inbounds, and they got through to the second round.
Anyways, I'm still proud of our boys and I look forward to how we perform in the 2026 World Cup.

So Croatia and Morocco have been knocked out now.  But it was interesting to watch how other teams played Croatia and Morocco, and to determine what Canada lacked against them. 
What I noticed most about how Croatia played Canada, versus how Croatia played against Brazil and Argentina, was that Croatia used some form of high press against Canada, but Croatia were reluctant to execute the same high press against Brazil and Argentina.  As you may know, the disadvantage with a high press is that if the defenders on the team you are pressing can manage to pass the ball out back to the midfield, there is a lot of space for a counter attack.  IMO, Croatia viewed Canada's defenders as having weaker passing ability and Croatia was right - our defenders made a lot of mistakes trying to pass the ball back out to midfield, and we lost possession to Croatia several times as a result. Against Brazil and Argentina though, Croatia respected the passing ability of their defenders and did not really press aggressively against Brazil and Argentina in their 1/3 of the field.
The next one is pretty obvious, but Borjan just had a bad World Cup.  Oh well, he got us through CONCACAF qualifying so I think we should be thankful for his play during qualifying.  Having said that, both the French keeper and Argentina keeper played a much better match than Borjan, when France beat Morocco and when Argentina beat Croatia. 
Another thing that is obvious is the quality of players we have.  For example, having a player like Messi, Mbappe, or Neymar would be so nice.  Messi and Mbappe were involved in the goals scored when Argentina beat Croatia and when France beat Morocco.  Neymar gave Brazil the go ahead goal against Croatia and Brazil just needed to defend for a few minutes. In general, having that quality, especially that depth of quality, is huge.  For France, they don't even have Karim Benzema and Paul Pobga, and they can still reach the World Cup finals.  In the case of Karim Benzema, he wasn't part of the World Cup squad when France won in 2018, and it looks like this year, France didn't need him either.  For England's last game, Sterling and Rashford came off the bench.  It would be nice for Canada if we had players like Sterling and Rashford sitting on the bench, and if we didn't need players of the quality of Karim Benzema and Paul Pogba to make the World Cup finals.
Lastly, I got to admit, a little luck helps too.  Looking back at the Morocco game, if Borjan didn't make that mistake and cleared the ball, and if Atiba Hutchinson's header had went in, our game against Morocco could have had a totally different result.  Morocco was a very beatable team, at least in the match we played them.  For Brazil, they just needed to defend for the last few minutes after Neymar scored - Brazil IMO, was clearly the better team than Croatia through 120 minutes of play (but of course, Croatia was just better in PKs). With a little more luck,I think Brazil would have gone through.  Japan had that luck, with their ball staying just inbounds, and they got through to the second round.
Anyways, I'm still proud of our boys and I look forward to how we perform in the 2026 World Cup.

So Croatia and Morocco have been knocked out now.  But it was interesting to watch how other teams played Croatia and Morocco, and to determine what Canada lacked against them. 
What I noticed most about how Croatia played Canada, versus how Croatia played against Brazil and Argentina, was that Croatia used some form of high press against Canada, but Croatia were reluctant to execute the same high press against Brazil and Argentina.  As you may know, the disadvantage with a high press is that if the defenders on the team you are pressing can manage to pass the ball out back to the midfield, there is a lot of space for a counter attack.  IMO, Croatia viewed Canada's defenders as having weaker passing ability and Croatia was right - our defenders made a lot of mistakes trying to pass the ball back out to midfield, and we lost possession to Croatia several times as a result. Against Brazil and Argentina though, Croatia respected the passing ability of their defenders and did not really press aggressively against Brazil and Argentina in their 1/3 of the field.
The next one is pretty obvious, but Borjan just had a bad World Cup.  Oh well, he got us through CONCACAF qualifying so I think we should be thankful for his play during qualifying.  Having said that, both the French keeper and Argentina keeper played a much better match than Borjan, when France beat Morocco and when Argentina beat Croatia. 
Another thing that is obvious is the quality of players we have.  For example, having a player like Messi, Mbappe, or Neymar would be so nice.  Messi and Mbappe were involved in the goals scored when Argentina beat Croatia and when France beat Morocco.  Neymar gave Brazil the go ahead goal against Croatia and Brazil just needed to defend for a few minutes. In general, having that quality, especially that depth of quality, is huge.  For France, they don't even have Karim Benzema and Paul Pobga, and they can still reach the World Cup finals.  In the case of Karim Benzema, he wasn't part of the World Cup squad when France won in 2018, and it looks like this year, France didn't need him either.  For England's last game, Sterling and Rashford came off the bench.  It would be nice for Canada if we had players like Sterling and Rashford sitting on the bench, and if we didn't need players of the quality of Karim Benzema and Paul Pogba to make the World Cup finals.
Lastly, I got to admit, a little luck helps too.  Looking back at the Morocco game, if Borjan didn't make that mistake and cleared the ball, and if Atiba Hutchinson's header had went in, our game against Morocco could have had a totally different result.  Morocco was a very beatable team, at least in the match we played them.  For Brazil, they just needed to defend for the last few minutes after Neymar scored - Brazil IMO, was clearly the better team than Croatia through 120 minutes of play (but of course, Croatia was just better in PKs). With a little more luck,I think Brazil would have gone through.  Japan had that luck, with their ball staying just inbounds, and they got through to the second round.
Anyways, I'm still proud of our boys and I look forward to how we perform in the 2026 World Cup.

So Croatia and Morocco have been knocked out now.  But it was interesting to watch how other teams played Croatia and Morocco, and to determine what Canada lacked against them. 
What I noticed most about how Croatia played Canada, versus how Croatia played against Brazil and Argentina, was that Croatia used some form of high press against Canada, but Croatia were reluctant to execute the same high press against Brazil and Argentina.  As you may know, the disadvantage with a high press is that if the defenders on the team you are pressing can manage to pass the ball out back to the midfield, there is a lot of space for a counter attack.  IMO, Croatia viewed Canada's defenders as having weaker passing ability and Croatia was right - our defenders made a lot of mistakes trying to pass the ball back out to midfield, and we lost possession to Croatia several times as a result. Against Brazil and Argentina though, Croatia respected the passing ability of their defenders and did not really press aggressively against Brazil and Argentina in their 1/3 of the field.
The next one is pretty obvious, but Borjan just had a bad World Cup.  Oh well, he got us through CONCACAF qualifying so I think we should be thankful for his play during qualifying.  Having said that, both the French keeper and Argentina keeper played a much better match than Borjan, when France beat Morocco and when Argentina beat Croatia. 
Another thing that is obvious is the quality of players we have.  For example, having a player like Messi, Mbappe, or Neymar would be so nice.  Messi and Mbappe were involved in the goals scored when Argentina beat Croatia and when France beat Morocco.  Neymar gave Brazil the go ahead goal against Croatia and Brazil just needed to defend for a few minutes. In general, having that quality, especially that depth of quality, is huge.  For France, they don't even have Karim Benzema and Paul Pobga, and they can still reach the World Cup finals.  In the case of Karim Benzema, he wasn't part of the World Cup squad when France won in 2018, and it looks like this year, France didn't need him either.  For England's last game, Sterling and Rashford came off the bench.  It would be nice for Canada if we had players like Sterling and Rashford sitting on the bench, and if we didn't need players of the quality of Karim Benzema and Paul Pogba to make the World Cup finals.
Lastly, I got to admit, a little luck helps too.  Looking back at the Morocco game, if Borjan didn't make that mistake and cleared the ball, and if Atiba Hutchinson's header had went in, our game against Morocco could have had a totally different result.  Morocco was a very beatable team, at least in the match we played them.  For Brazil, they just needed to defend for the last few minutes after Neymar scored - Brazil IMO, was clearly the better team than Croatia through 120 minutes of play (but of course, Croatia was just better in PKs). With a little more luck,I think Brazil would have gone through.  Japan had that luck, with their ball staying just inbounds, and they got through to the second round.
Anyways, I'm still proud of our boys and I look forward to how we perform in the 2026 World Cup.

Completely agree with this.  We have never played that strategy - even against the US and Mexico, we never played with 3 central mids, and we certainly never low-blocked to any great extent.  I don't think we had the personnel (Hutch, Piette, Oso?) or the tactical nous to pull that off against Croatia.  Some of us were calling for Herdman to test that kind of formation/tactic against some good teams in friendlies, but it never happened. 

Just gonna say that I agree with @Bigandy@Lansdude@Ottawafan that we were outclassed by Croatia but using a better strategy and a more defensive formation (ie. bunkering and counter attacking)  could have improved our chances. Not sure if using a better strategy and a more defensive formation could have led to a win, only that it would have improved our chances.
The only caveat is, I don't know if Herdman and this team have really played a defensive formation and used a bunker strategy before.  It's something that needs practice, and if the team didn't practice it extensively before, we may have been better off using our normal formation and strategy.  I believe Morocco did a little bunkering, especially in the second round, but I think they had practiced it before, so the players and the team were familiar with it. I'm also not sure if Herdman has extensive experience with bunkering.

So Croatia and Morocco have been knocked out now.  But it was interesting to watch how other teams played Croatia and Morocco, and to determine what Canada lacked against them. 
What I noticed most about how Croatia played Canada, versus how Croatia played against Brazil and Argentina, was that Croatia used some form of high press against Canada, but Croatia were reluctant to execute the same high press against Brazil and Argentina.  As you may know, the disadvantage with a high press is that if the defenders on the team you are pressing can manage to pass the ball out back to the midfield, there is a lot of space for a counter attack.  IMO, Croatia viewed Canada's defenders as having weaker passing ability and Croatia was right - our defenders made a lot of mistakes trying to pass the ball back out to midfield, and we lost possession to Croatia several times as a result. Against Brazil and Argentina though, Croatia respected the passing ability of their defenders and did not really press aggressively against Brazil and Argentina in their 1/3 of the field.
The next one is pretty obvious, but Borjan just had a bad World Cup.  Oh well, he got us through CONCACAF qualifying so I think we should be thankful for his play during qualifying.  Having said that, both the French keeper and Argentina keeper played a much better match than Borjan, when France beat Morocco and when Argentina beat Croatia. 
Another thing that is obvious is the quality of players we have.  For example, having a player like Messi, Mbappe, or Neymar would be so nice.  Messi and Mbappe were involved in the goals scored when Argentina beat Croatia and when France beat Morocco.  Neymar gave Brazil the go ahead goal against Croatia and Brazil just needed to defend for a few minutes. In general, having that quality, especially that depth of quality, is huge.  For France, they don't even have Karim Benzema and Paul Pobga, and they can still reach the World Cup finals.  In the case of Karim Benzema, he wasn't part of the World Cup squad when France won in 2018, and it looks like this year, France didn't need him either.  For England's last game, Sterling and Rashford came off the bench.  It would be nice for Canada if we had players like Sterling and Rashford sitting on the bench, and if we didn't need players of the quality of Karim Benzema and Paul Pogba to make the World Cup finals.
Lastly, I got to admit, a little luck helps too.  Looking back at the Morocco game, if Borjan didn't make that mistake and cleared the ball, and if Atiba Hutchinson's header had went in, our game against Morocco could have had a totally different result.  Morocco was a very beatable team, at least in the match we played them.  For Brazil, they just needed to defend for the last few minutes after Neymar scored - Brazil IMO, was clearly the better team than Croatia through 120 minutes of play (but of course, Croatia was just better in PKs). With a little more luck,I think Brazil would have gone through.  Japan had that luck, with their ball staying just inbounds, and they got through to the second round.
Anyways, I'm still proud of our boys and I look forward to how we perform in the 2026 World Cup.

We're clearly behind all three teams but what we saw throughout this tournament is that with the right gameplan to minimize weaknesses and maximize strengths, and a little luck and finishing, it's possible to play and win with a weaker hand. My complaint - and it feels ungrateful because we got to the World Cup on the first place - is that while we shouldn't have won, we didn't give ourselves the best chance to.
As for Eustaquio, he's not the type to turn and burn out of trouble. He needs an outlet and combinations to find otherwise if he gets cornered he's looking for a foul. He's not a ball carrier, no. This is why I wanted more of Kone against these positionally clever players even though he's nowhere near a finished product.

Isn't Eustaqiou exactly that guy? Hes box to box for porto, huge for build up play. Pops up with goals and assists recently. An 8 links the defenders to the attackers which is exactly what eustaqiou does.  Are you mistaking an 8 with a "10"?

I agree that the player selection raises some questions, but surely you are not saying that its not about our players. 
If we go with whatever you are suggesting, 4 defenders, a midfield trio without atiba and staq, and only one of david and larin, we would still have been absolutely destroyed. Player for player, we are so far behind croatia. They can play the game at a different tempo.  Our loss to them is 100% player related and our tactics may not have helped. 

So Croatia and Morocco have been knocked out now.  But it was interesting to watch how other teams played Croatia and Morocco, and to determine what Canada lacked against them. 
What I noticed most about how Croatia played Canada, versus how Croatia played against Brazil and Argentina, was that Croatia used some form of high press against Canada, but Croatia were reluctant to execute the same high press against Brazil and Argentina.  As you may know, the disadvantage with a high press is that if the defenders on the team you are pressing can manage to pass the ball out back to the midfield, there is a lot of space for a counter attack.  IMO, Croatia viewed Canada's defenders as having weaker passing ability and Croatia was right - our defenders made a lot of mistakes trying to pass the ball back out to midfield, and we lost possession to Croatia several times as a result. Against Brazil and Argentina though, Croatia respected the passing ability of their defenders and did not really press aggressively against Brazil and Argentina in their 1/3 of the field.
The next one is pretty obvious, but Borjan just had a bad World Cup.  Oh well, he got us through CONCACAF qualifying so I think we should be thankful for his play during qualifying.  Having said that, both the French keeper and Argentina keeper played a much better match than Borjan, when France beat Morocco and when Argentina beat Croatia. 
Another thing that is obvious is the quality of players we have.  For example, having a player like Messi, Mbappe, or Neymar would be so nice.  Messi and Mbappe were involved in the goals scored when Argentina beat Croatia and when France beat Morocco.  Neymar gave Brazil the go ahead goal against Croatia and Brazil just needed to defend for a few minutes. In general, having that quality, especially that depth of quality, is huge.  For France, they don't even have Karim Benzema and Paul Pobga, and they can still reach the World Cup finals.  In the case of Karim Benzema, he wasn't part of the World Cup squad when France won in 2018, and it looks like this year, France didn't need him either.  For England's last game, Sterling and Rashford came off the bench.  It would be nice for Canada if we had players like Sterling and Rashford sitting on the bench, and if we didn't need players of the quality of Karim Benzema and Paul Pogba to make the World Cup finals.
Lastly, I got to admit, a little luck helps too.  Looking back at the Morocco game, if Borjan didn't make that mistake and cleared the ball, and if Atiba Hutchinson's header had went in, our game against Morocco could have had a totally different result.  Morocco was a very beatable team, at least in the match we played them.  For Brazil, they just needed to defend for the last few minutes after Neymar scored - Brazil IMO, was clearly the better team than Croatia through 120 minutes of play (but of course, Croatia was just better in PKs). With a little more luck,I think Brazil would have gone through.  Japan had that luck, with their ball staying just inbounds, and they got through to the second round.
Anyways, I'm still proud of our boys and I look forward to how we perform in the 2026 World Cup.

Yeah, I've been rooting for Morocco so far (except against us, obviously), but not this time, would love to see the marquee match-up in the final.

If Canada had a player like Messi, it would have made a huge difference against Croatia.  Not saying we would have beat Croatia even if we had Messi, we may have still lost 4 goals, and maybe only scored 2 or 3 goals.  But still, having someone like Messi on the field to confuse the Croatian defense, and break down the Croatian defense, is something that we don't have at the moment.

I wasn't meaning to poke fun, so much as just commenting on Messi's remarkable performance today. I certainly agree that the talent wasn't there against Croatia, especially with Staq hurt and Hutch on tired legs.  It is both talent and depth - in a one off game our chances are better since we can press and have a high work rate and use all our best 11, but in a tournament, you need more strength/depth, especially if you don't go the Morocco/counter-attack route.  But for all that, we should have been bunkering against Croatia, especially after we scored.
Even Brazil should have been bunkering (edit: in the 2nd half of extra time) against Croatia, instead of giving up an odd man rush with 5 minutes left.

If Canada had a player like Messi, it would have made a huge difference against Croatia.  Not saying we would have beat Croatia even if we had Messi, we may have still lost 4 goals, and maybe only scored 2 or 3 goals.  But still, having someone like Messi on the field to confuse the Croatian defense, and break down the Croatian defense, is something that we don't have at the moment.

What's surprising is that Alphonso Davies developed mostly in Canada, before he went to Bayern.  Prior to Alphonso Davies, I didn't know if Canada had the right environment to develop a world class player like Alphonso Davies (to be more accurate, Alphonso Davies is a world class left back player, as that is the position he played when he made the FIFA FIFPro World 11 a few years ago).
So it's good to know that a world class player from their childhood can develop from Canadian soil.  MLS definitely had a role in Alphonso Davies's growth, so I also hope MLS keeps getting better in the future!

After watching the England vs France game today, it's nice when you have players like Sterling and Rashford waiting on the bench. This is the depth of talent we need one day, if we are ever to contend for the World Cup, or make it deep into the playoffs.  Granted, Morocco doesn't have the same level of talent as the other semi-finalists, but runs like Morocco with the talent they have (and Greece when they won the Euros) are pretty rare.
I think Canada will get there one day, hopefully the MLS keeps on improving and we benefit from that.

After watching the England vs France game today, it's nice when you have players like Sterling and Rashford waiting on the bench. This is the depth of talent we need one day, if we are ever to contend for the World Cup, or make it deep into the playoffs.  Granted, Morocco doesn't have the same level of talent as the other semi-finalists, but runs like Morocco with the talent they have (and Greece when they won the Euros) are pretty rare.
I think Canada will get there one day, hopefully the MLS keeps on improving and we benefit from that.

After watching the England vs France game today, it's nice when you have players like Sterling and Rashford waiting on the bench. This is the depth of talent we need one day, if we are ever to contend for the World Cup, or make it deep into the playoffs.  Granted, Morocco doesn't have the same level of talent as the other semi-finalists, but runs like Morocco with the talent they have (and Greece when they won the Euros) are pretty rare.
I think Canada will get there one day, hopefully the MLS keeps on improving and we benefit from that.

It's nice when you have players like Sterling and Rashford waiting on the bench. This is the depth of talent we need one day, if we are ever to contend for the World Cup, or make it deep into the playoffs.  Granted, Morocco doesn't have the same level of talent as the other semi-finalists, but runs like Morocco with the talent they have (and Greece when they won the Euros) are pretty rare.
I think Canada will get there one day, hopefully the MLS keeps on improving and we benefit from that.

Hope not. I'd rather not see the Croatian style of football in another final.

Comparing the Two leagues is kind of redundant. MLS is not even 30 years old , While  Liga MX is much much older, Grfant you since I first started following MLS in 2007  The league has grown leaps and bounds 

MLS is I think catching up to  Liga MX   Since 2018 TFC was a crossbar away from winning the CCL and so was LAFC a couple of years ago This year Seattle finally broke the spell . Now if MLS team continue this then we may see a change.  But for now Liga Mx has the bragging rights