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55 minutes ago, mpg_29 said:

Argentina is a weird team. Watching the game we played them and the one last night they don't always look as dominant as you would think given their record but somehow always manage to pull it off in the end.

They never really looked dominant in the World Cup iirc, maybe the the first 60 minutes of regulation in the final but that's it.

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1 hour ago, mpg_29 said:

Argentina is a weird team. Watching the game we played them and the one last night they don't always look as dominant as you would think given their record but somehow always manage to pull it off in the end.

Correct.  It's really a few moments of sheer brilliance, but mostly some sound solid play by above average players.

Messi leads this team, but the supporting cast believes so much they're able to step in and provide their own moments as well.  They're just clicking and riding a good steady flow of confidence.

Martinez won it for them in the penalties.  Messi/Argentina are the only ones to "miss" the net.  All of Ecuador's shots could have been goals. 

 

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14 minutes ago, costarg said:

Correct.  It's really a few moments of sheer brilliance, but mostly some sound solid play by above average players.

Messi leads this team, but the supporting cast believes so much they're able to step in and provide their own moments as well.  They're just clicking and riding a good steady flow of confidence.

Martinez won it for them in the penalties.  Messi/Argentina are the only ones to "miss" the net.  All of Ecuador's shots could have been goals. 

 

Messi didn't even seem that much of a factor last night. When he actually gets the ball he can make things happen but that seems more much infrequent than years past. He is walking most of the match.

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5 minutes ago, mpg_29 said:

Messi didn't even seem that much of a factor last night. When he actually gets the ball he can make things happen but that seems more much infrequent than years past. He is walking most of the match.

He is because he's getting older. The man is 37 years old now. Father Time catches up to Messi. It catches up to everybody sooner or later.

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41 minutes ago, scullion44 said:

Ecuador manager sacked. What did they expect was going to happen this tournament? Weird decision

Their expectations probably were to do better in the group stage and not have to face Argentina at that stage. 

You can say they were unlucky against Venezuala but should have beat Mexico.

 

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2 minutes ago, Gian-Luca said:

Apparently, he was always going to leave at the end of the tourney no matter what happened, his contract was up.

Not according to the report from The Athletic https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5617713/2024/07/05/felix-sanchez-ecuador-sacked-copa-america/

”Sanchez, 48, was appointed to lead Ecuador on a four-year contract in March 2023.”

 

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My understanding of people more plugged into conmebol was that Ecuador are doing good despite Sanchez, not because of him. Seems like he's not terrible, but not going to take them up a level. From that perspective the sacking makes sense.

It's also in-line with what we saw this tournament as well. There was a lot of hype and excitement over Ecuador and many expected them to top group B, but they did not. Then, they did well last night, but that (in my opinion) was because Argentina were not good more than Ecuador was great!

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2 hours ago, Obinna said:

My understanding of people more plugged into conmebol was that Ecuador are doing good despite Sanchez, not because of him. Seems like he's not terrible, but not going to take them up a level. From that perspective the sacking makes sense.

It's also in-line with what we saw this tournament as well. There was a lot of hype and excitement over Ecuador and many expected them to top group B, but they did not. Then, they did well last night, but that (in my opinion) was because Argentina were not good more than Ecuador was great!

Ecuador is ok,  Coach was great their people is very rich and their president is handsomely rich from an elite they want to win the WC ASAP

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