Sal333 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 54 minutes ago, GasPed said: If you had told me at the beginning of the tournament we'd be facing Venezuela in the quarterfinals I would've: 1) LOL'd; 2) Taken it in a heartbeat. In the ELO rankings, Venezuela is 18th—Canada 32nd. I find the ELO ratings are more up-to-date than the FIFA ones. DeRo_Is_King, Canuckia, king1010 and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal333 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 37 minutes ago, JBR said: Did he even see the field? Of course, he did. He got a panoramic view from the bench. Olympique_de_Marseille, Watchmen, king1010 and 16 others 1 1 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeRo_Is_King Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Sal333 said: In the ELO rankings, Venezuela is 18th—Canada 32nd. I find the ELO ratings are more up-to-date than the FIFA ones. Makes sense. Venezuela has been very impressive thus far. A 3-0 win over a team that forced us to play T&T in a playoff to qualify is kind of sounding alarm bells for me. This will not be an easy game. Edited July 1 by DeRo_Is_King kacbru, The Real Marc, lowlander and 11 others 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kacbru Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 4 minutes ago, DeRo_Is_King said: Makes sense. Venezuela has been very impressive thus far. A 3-0 win over a team that forced us to play T&T in a playoff to qualify is kind of signalling alarm bells for me. This will not be an easy game. As their WCQ record shows, (2W, 3D, 1L) they are a better team than Chile and Peru. 74 Whitecap, DeRo_Is_King and Canuckia 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 12 minutes ago, Sal333 said: Of course, he did. He got a panoramic view from the bench. All these things may be true but we have to admit he is looking pretty gangsta as of late. 74 Whitecap and DeRo_Is_King 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eramosat Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 it's a 50 - 50 proposition before the match starts the players will then provide their own opinions. I hope Canada makes their best showing so far, which wouldn't be demanding much. We'll see how Marsch figures it all out! toontownman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBR Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 14 minutes ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said: All these things may be true but we have to admit he is looking pretty gangsta as of late. Makes sense. He is from 'dem mean streets of Georgetown Ontario Olympique_de_Marseille, Sal333, narduch and 12 others 2 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigi riva Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Adios Mexico . I am loving the fact that Canada is kind of ruining the USA / Mexico parade , at least so far. For many years I had to witness both of those Countries get easy draws and get multiple calls go in there favour during Gold Cups , Now that they are facing harder competion they arefailing nolando, narduch, Corazon and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil R. Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 17 minutes ago, Sal333 said: In the ELO rankings, Venezuela is 18th—Canada 32nd. I find the ELO ratings are more up-to-date than the FIFA ones. Quite the discrepancy on Venezuela between ELO and FIFA rankings. At the time of the draw, Venezuela was in Pot 3 (ranked 49th in FIFA). They're even lower now as of the FIFA update on June 20th (54th), yet are 18th with ELO. ELO has Venezuela's all-time goals for and against at 498 (GF) and 838 (GA). They must have really improved recently because you'd think those numbers would be flipped for a team in the top 20. narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kacbru Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Just now, JBR said: Makes sense. He is from 'dem mean streets of Georgetown Ontario Poor Papa Flores. I hope he's ok. king1010, DeRo_Is_King, 74 Whitecap and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSoccerFan Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 19 minutes ago, Neil R. said: Quite the discrepancy on Venezuela between ELO and FIFA rankings. At the time of the draw, Venezuela was in Pot 3 (ranked 49th in FIFA). They're even lower now as of the FIFA update on June 20th (54th), yet are 18th with ELO. ELO has Venezuela's all-time goals for and against at 498 (GF) and 838 (GA). They must have really improved recently because you'd think those numbers would be flipped for a team in the top 20. Venezuela up to 36 in the live FIFA ranking https://football-ranking.com/fifa-rankings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadasoccer20 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 I can't believe we live in a time that we are superior to Mexico, losing by only 1 goal back in the day would be considered a decent result for us. All these CONCACAF tournaments such as u20s and Gold Cups and them always being the top dog with the US. Love that it seems like the tides have turned and not only for the short term. gigi riva and narduch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigi riva Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 31 minutes ago, canadasoccer20 said: I can't believe we live in a time that we are superior to Mexico, losing by only 1 goal back in the day would be considered a decent result for us. All these CONCACAF tournaments such as u20s and Gold Cups and them always being the top dog with the US. Love that it seems like the tides have turned and not only for the short term. Hopefully we can continue this and get better especially get better in youth tournaments 74 Whitecap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
74 Whitecap Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 1 hour ago, Neil R. said: Quite the discrepancy on Venezuela between ELO and FIFA rankings. At the time of the draw, Venezuela was in Pot 3 (ranked 49th in FIFA). They're even lower now as of the FIFA update on June 20th (54th), yet are 18th with ELO. ELO has Venezuela's all-time goals for and against at 498 (GF) and 838 (GA). They must have really improved recently because you'd think those numbers would be flipped for a team in the top 20. They were the whipping boy and laughing-stock of CONMEBOL for many a qualifying cycle, but not this time. Some parallels between Venezuela and Canada in that respect, except their past performance is perhaps even more filled with bad results than ours, if you can believe that. narduch and Ivan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 I know we like to clown Flores, but seriously think about it.....maybe choosing Mexico was the easier path to National team football for him? Would he have made our roster for Copa America? Possibly his recent good form for Tigres could have helped, but we left players like Jayden Nelson and Theo Corbeanu at home.....I am not sure Flores is clear of either of them to be honest. YorkRegionFan, Corazon, Borjans Sweatpants and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal333 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 8 hours ago, Neil R. said: Quite the discrepancy on Venezuela between ELO and FIFA rankings. At the time of the draw, Venezuela was in Pot 3 (ranked 49th in FIFA). They're even lower now as of the FIFA update on June 20th (54th), yet are 18th with ELO. ELO has Venezuela's all-time goals for and against at 498 (GF) and 838 (GA). They must have really improved recently because you'd think those numbers would be flipped for a team in the top 20. The problem with FiFA's algorithms is that they do not properly account for teams like Canada, Venezuela, and Morocco that have made huge leaps in the last 3-4 years. ELO does a better job of reflecting more recent results. 74 Whitecap, The Real Marc, YorkRegionFan and 7 others 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corazon Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 1 hour ago, Sal333 said: The problem with FiFA's algorithms is that they do not properly account for teams like Canada, Venezuela, and Morocco that have made huge leaps in the last 3-4 years. ELO does a better job of reflecting more recent results. Belgium still sitting in the Top 3 in FIFA. 😂 Sal333, 74 Whitecap and Unnamed Trialist 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSoccerFan Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Interesting twitter thread detailing Mexico's problems. The economic strength of Liga MX has created an inflated market for Mexican players, preventing them from leaving heir comfort zone. Canuckia, 74 Whitecap, Unnamed Trialist and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markoaleks Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 4 hours ago, Obinna said: I know we like to clown Flores, but seriously think about it.....maybe choosing Mexico was the easier path to National team football for him? Would he have made our roster for Copa America? Possibly his recent good form for Tigres could have helped, but we left players like Jayden Nelson and Theo Corbeanu at home.....I am not sure Flores is clear of either of them to be honest. Had he and Papi played their cards right our Georgetown lad would have been in Qatar for us - market was different then for him The Real Marc, gator and Obinna 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 (edited) Of course Flores would be in our squad, let’s not be daft. What was the deal with the non call on the Ecuador player who back heeled it onto his arm in the box? Thought for sure that was a pk and yet he calls one that wasn’t. Same ref as our match against Peru* and same incompetence it seems. Edited July 1 by CanadaFan123 Floortom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 12 hours ago, BearcatSA said: I want neither Mexico nor "U-S-A!" to make the knockout stages. That would be terrific, for me at least. I wonder if CONCACAF underachieving (or overachieving) affects the chances we get invited or host again? This tournament is too fun, would love this to become regular. But I feel the balance is delicate. They don't want the guests cooking in their kitchen. Ivan and BearcatSA 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 I can’t say I agree with this at all. Same ref who missed the red for the headbutt. In the euros this is a pk all day. Canuckia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 2 hours ago, Sal333 said: The problem with FiFA's algorithms is that they do not properly account for teams like Canada, Venezuela, and Morocco that have made huge leaps in the last 3-4 years. ELO does a better job of reflecting more recent results. Not sure. Worth remembering Venezuela were ranked 25th - 4 years ago. Also they have just climbed close to 60 points and 18 places in the FIFA live rankings. Just because the press rightly uses the official one that come out at intervals, doesn't mean their 3 wins against higher ranked opponents wont be reflected soon. I guess the point is their ups and downs have been reflected and they have not made huge leaps any time but very recently. Morocco are 12th, that's basically not unfair. A great World Cup and a strong qualifying run-in got them there. But they are back to doing what they have for a while. Generally beating the low-ranked African nations and sometimes losing to the good ones. A couple (semi) recent loses to South Africa mean that pushing them higher probably would be unfair. And beating Brazil in a friendly is worth less. And the algorithm reflects that. Canada - we are biased but the States and Mexico are too high of course that is actually to our advantage because any wins are great and losses hurt less. But we aren't being ranked on our potential or our squad talent, we are being ranked on our results, a lot of which have been not great. I honestly don't know ELO at all, I did a deep dive into the FIFA formula when it looked like it would really matter to us. Love to see a breakdown on what really matters with the former but generally I am okay that rankings don't just reflect the very recent past, that would be silly volatile. Unnamed Trialist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 41 minutes ago, CanadaFan123 said: Of course Flores would be in our squad, let’s not be daft. What was the deal with the non call on the Ecuador player who back heeled it onto his arm in the box? Thought for sure that was a pk and yet he calls one that wasn’t. Same ref as our match against Peru* and same incompetence it seems. Who would you drop? Ivan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 1 hour ago, Corazon said: Belgium still sitting in the Top 3 in FIFA. 😂 Easy to point to but, they have had a really good record - not in big tournaments. They didn't lose in 2023 over 10 games. Most of those were in Euro qualifying which rightly count for a bit. In 2024 before the Euros they had draws to Ireland and England as their worst results. In fact they had not lost since Morocco in the World Cup. The formula can't completely ignore the games we don't see. You also have to look at who's chasing them. Ranking points- wise, since the lasting ranking every team below them down to 10th have done worse - save Spain. We are talking - Brazil, England, Portugal, Netherlands, Croatia, Italy. Remember the rankings don't punish you for going out, just losing or drawing against lesser ranked teams. CanadaFan123 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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