France vs Canada - Sunday June 9 - 9:15pm local 3:15 EST; 12:15 Pacific - Bordeaux

[Ozzie_the_parrot]

17 minutes ago, Macktruck said:

...This is a high level game specific tactics with trigger press with they did the whole first half. This worked really well to limit the action down Davies side…Did you notice that? 

That didn’t happen 2nd half …

Do we know what Marsch told Davies and Shaffelburg to do and whether he wanted it to be the same tactically as the first half with Davies and Miller?

[narduch]

Pretty cool to see the French flag on the game day graphic and the opponent is actually France, not Guadeloupe or French Guiana

 

 

[narduch]

One Soccer pre-game starts at 2:30pm ET

[spitfire]

32 minutes ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

Do we know what Marsch told Davies and Shaffelburg to do and whether he wanted it to be the same tactically as the first half with Davies and Miller?

Good question.. not sure 

[gator]

4 hours ago, Ally McCoist said:

Yeah Millar is definitely not starting after that awful performance 

I hope this is sarcasm?

[Mihairokov]

32 minutes ago, narduch said:

Pretty cool to see the French flag on the game day graphic and the opponent is actually France, not Guadeloupe or French Guiana

 

 

What if we had all this buildup and flew to Bordeaux and it turns out we are actually playing Guadeloupe

[WestHamCanadianinOxford]

36 minutes ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

Do we know what Marsch told Davies and Shaffelburg to do and whether he wanted it to be the same tactically as the first half with Davies and Miller?

I guess it is a question.

If there was an instructed change in role,  it would certainly demonstrate that Marsch does not just have one system and he shoehorns whatever player into it.

On the other hand, he was very explicitly pleased (from comments since) with what the system was doing through a lot of the first half.   I guess what would be the motivation to change it?

[Ozzie_the_parrot]

A huge part of Shaffelburg's game is his pace. Checking out how that could be used would be a reason to switch things up a bit. It definitely looked like he had been instructed to take on the full back that way. Beyond that think we also have to consider whether the Dutch also made adjustments at half time and saw something in the first half that suggested Davies was there for the taking. Ronald Koeman is no mug and wasn't necessarily going to keep doing what wasn't working for them over the first 45 minutes.

Edited June 9 by Ozzie_the_parrot

[WestHamCanadianinOxford]

7 minutes ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

Beyond that think we also have to consider whether the Dutch also made adjustments at half time and saw something in the first half that suggested Davies was there for the taking. Ronald Koeman is no mug and wasn't necessarily going to keep doing what wasn't working for them over the first 45 minutes.

A great argument... against the idea that it was designed role change from us that made a difference.

 

But if so, what change did you see them make? We need some evidence of that.

[Ozzie_the_parrot]

Watched the game on my phone and would never claim to fully understand tactics used at the level of Marsch and Koeman so I don't claim to have all the answers on this but I did find it noteworthy that Marsch was out on the pitch just before the second half was starting apparently to try to explain something to Shaffelburg and had to be encouraged to leave by one of the officials. Do you do that if it's more of the same in terms of a rigid system?

Edited June 9 by Ozzie_the_parrot

[Watchmen]

19 hours ago, Treppy2 said:

Canada's all-time record against the eight countries that have won the World Cup: P14, W0, D2, L12, GF7, GA32.

Here are all results with the score, year, competition and goal scorers for Canada. (The matches versus France and Spain took place prior to those countries becoming World Cup winners.)

Canada 0 Italy 2, 1984 friendly
Canada 1 Uruguay 3, 1986 friendly, Pakos
Canada 0 England 1, 1986 friendly
Canada 0 France 1, 1986 World Cup
Canada 0 Spain 2, 1994 friendly
Canada 0 Germany 2, 1994 friendly
Canada 1 Brazil 1, 1994 friendly, "Berdusco! Berdusco!!!"
Canada 1 Brazil 4, 1996 Gold Cup, Radzinski
Canada 0 Brazil 0, 2001 Confederations Cup
Canada 1 Germany 4, 2003 friendly, McKenna
Canada 1 Spain 2, 2005 friendly, Grande
Canada 2 Brazil 3, 2008 friendly, Friend, De Guzman
Canada 0 Argentina 5, 2010 friendly
Canada 0 Uruguay 2, 2022 friendly

A couple of notes:

• There's been only one blowout - the 2010 match against Argentina. Hopefully that's still the case after Sunday's match.
• Canada's best results have been against Brazil, with two draws in four matches.

IIRC, the 2001 Canada draw with Brazil might be recorded as vs the full team but in reality was vs their u-23 team.

[narduch]

 

 

[WestHamCanadianinOxford]

16 minutes ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

Watched the game on my phone and would never claim to fully understand tactics used at the level of Marsch and Koeman so I don't claim to have all the answers on this but I did find it noteworthy that Marsch was out on the pitch just before the second half was starting apparently to try to explain something to Shaffelburg and had to be encouraged to leave by one of the officials. Do you do that if it's more of the same in terms of a rigid system?

 

If he's trying to really the hammer in the ideas to a guy who was later into camp than the guy he replaced?

A set of ideas that  he explicitly said the whole team are "really far" from getting at this point. 

Of course he might want some extra time with player.

 

But again, this is no proof either way.

Edited June 9 by WestHamCanadianinOxford

[WestHamCanadianinOxford]

7 minutes ago, narduch said:

 

 

Pinning my hope on multiple Upemacano howlers 😛.

[narduch]

Now they are saying no Mbappe 

 

 

[TGAA_Star]

24 minutes ago, narduch said:

Now they are saying no Mbappe 

 

 

Even with no Mbappe, France are still lethal

[Atlantic]

50 minutes ago, narduch said:

Now they are saying no Mbappe 

 

 

For the record that says he won’t start not that he’s out of the squad 

[Kadenge]

2 hours ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

Do we know what Marsch told Davies and Shaffelburg to do and whether he wanted it to be the same tactically as the first half with Davies and Miller?

Although the Dutch started to turn it up  around the 30/35' mark the game was still tied at the half. Would think Marsch would have been very pleased with that scoreline. Changing tactics in the very first game at the half would seem to be a risky move and after the 1st or 2nd goal would have wanted to revert back to what they did with Millar? Who knows? But the fact still remains we conceeded 4 goals in the 2nd. Btw Canada came out strong in the first few mins of the 2nd half but then the dike broke 🙂

[Mihairokov]

3 minutes ago, Kadenge said:

Although the Dutch started to turn it up  around the 30/35' mark the game was still tied at the half.

When Larin kicked it wide at 44' it was still 0-0. We had a chance to be up at the half against the Dutch and squandered it. 

[gator]

2 minutes ago, Mihairokov said:

When Larin kicked it wide at 44' it was still 0-0. We had a chance to be up at the half against the Dutch and squandered it. 

Yes indeed, I wonder if that would have changed anything tactically for Marsch?

[Ozzie_the_parrot]

21 minutes ago, Kadenge said:

Although the Dutch started to turn it up  around the 30/35' mark the game was still tied at the half. Would think Marsch would have been very pleased with that scoreline. Changing tactics in the very first game at the half would seem to be a risky move...

He told us in his postgame comments that the substitutions were pre-planned and not something done in response to what happened in the first half. Something to bear in mind if today's game goes south in a big way as I suspect it might is that the results in these two friendly games ultimately mean diddlysquat. It's all about getting to know what his players can do prior to Copa America and Miller may be the projected starter in left midfield while Shaffelburg is who he is thinking about throwing out there with 20 minutes to go against Chile or Peru if a goal is needed in a big way.

Picking up some appearance money for the CSA along the way was also important in this window and the reason France may have needed the CMNT for that is that UEFA teams of similar calibre are likely not that keen on losing heavily to France in their final warmup for the Euros. Scotland, for example were playing Gibraltar and Finland rather than making a trip to Bordeaux to potentially face Mbappe. If CSA finances were better a couple of winnable but still somewhat challenging games at home against CONCACAF opposition would likely have been the order of the day.

[Shway]

Staq will be the captain today. 

[toontownman]

2 hours ago, narduch said:

Now they are saying no Mbappe 

 

 

He overheard a conversation where the word vancouver was mentioned and he refused to travel.

[narduch]

We will be wearing red as France is wearing white today

[Kadenge]

52 minutes ago, Mihairokov said:

When Larin kicked it wide at 44' it was still 0-0. We had a chance to be up at the half against the Dutch and squandered it. 

That was a massive missed opportunity. If Larin  was in form with his club he would have buried it. At this level of opposition, club form is very important, especially for strikers. Few chances will come our way and we have to be clinical.