The Netherlands vs Canada - Thursday, June 6th - 2:45pm Eastern / 11:45am Pacific - Rotterdam

[JAVIERF]

29 minutes ago, jhoops__ said:

You’d start Zator and Shaf?

Yeah of Course .  You need specialists there.  But that is my opinion I would start Piette too, with Bombito to free up Eustaquio,  main problem with your midfielders is that there is little connexion and confusion,  no interpass, they should play as a unit ,  

I Like Paton and Kayé too,  Fraser could be an option 

I would play a positional center midfielder .

 

Up front I would play Shaffelburg and Jonathan David to be honest ,  they are nuissances up front hard for man marking

But for that you have to change the midfield ,  play Davies as left midfield , and on the Right and a mixed midfielder more conservative like Osorio on the right to give the team a bit of balance 

You can play Buchanan as right back like Seamus Coleman or Brett Emerson , but that's a problem  since he can give fouls away 

Edited June 8 by JAVIERF

[JAVIERF]

31 minutes ago, jhoops__ said:

You’d start Zator and Shaf?

Tbh I would play that MacNaughton chap at the back , he is imposing and wasn't afraid of Messi and Suarez,  but he is injured.  Layrea at the back is irreplaceable for me ,  he adds bite and grit.  That MacNaughton too.  Kaye the same ,  I like my players to be a bit aggressive in a good way.  

You played it "too nice a fellow" the other day Vs Holland 

McGraw is another option as for Kennedy as left back . 

 

Actually my perfect back four for you is  

Layrea MacNaughton Cornelius and Kennedy 

 

[ECW]

14 hours ago, costarg said:

I'll say it again... best player and/or highest level does not equal captain.  Neither does the loudest voice. 

Davies is best focusing on his own game in his own position.  It has never looked good when he tried to do too much either athletically or mentally.  Canada will be at it's strongest when that happens, he's already got enough pressure without the captaincy.  Don't get the man trying to figure out leading a team, keep him focused on playing his position the best he can.

I think that’s true. Also, to me, asking him to take on the captaincy and to play left back in a role that makes it difficult to get forward is a mixed message. Putting Shaffelberg in front of him against Holland was another reduction in capacity.  

[Unnamed Trialist]

Hey @Olympique_de_Marseillewill you set up the game thread for the France game too, thanks.

[WestHamCanadianinOxford]

2 minutes ago, JAVIERF said:

Tbh I would play that MacNaughton chap at the back , he is imposing and wasn't afraid of Messi and Suarez,  but he is injured.  Layrea at the back is irreplaceable for me ,  he adds bite and grit.  That MacNaughton too.  Kaye the same ,  I like my players to be a bit aggressive in a good way.  

You played it "too nice a fellow" the other day Vs Holland 

McGraw is another option as for Kennedy as left back . 

 

Actually my perfect back four for you is  

Layrea MacNaughton Cornelius and Kennedy 

 

There is lots to love with your posts but your semi-regular DAMIEN DUFF references have to be the best part.

[Unnamed Trialist]

5 minutes ago, JAVIERF said:

Tbh I would play that MacNaughton chap at the back , he is imposing and wasn't afraid of Messi and Suarez,  but he is injured.  Layrea at the back is irreplaceable for me ,  he adds bite and grit.  That MacNaughton too.  Kaye the same ,  I like my players to be a bit aggressive in a good way.  

You played it "too nice a fellow" the other day Vs Holland 

McGraw is another option as for Kennedy as left back . 

 

Actually my perfect back four for you is  

Layrea MacNaughton Cornelius and Kennedy 

 

You are just making it up as you go along, no rhyme nor reason. Just throwing out names with no logic whatsoever, sorry.

[WestHamCanadianinOxford]

1 minute ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

You are just making it up as you go along, no rhyme nor reason. Just throwing out names with no logic whatsoever, sorry.

Kind of like Marsch consulting Feyenoord fans about which subs we should make 😉.

[The Beaver 2.0]

24 minutes ago, JAVIERF said:

Tbh I would play that MacNaughton chap at the back , he is imposing and wasn't afraid of Messi and Suarez,  but he is injured.  Layrea at the back is irreplaceable for me ,  he adds bite and grit.  That MacNaughton too.  Kaye the same ,  I like my players to be a bit aggressive in a good way.  

You played it "too nice a fellow" the other day Vs Holland 

McGraw is another option as for Kennedy as left back . 

 

Actually my perfect back four for you is  

Layrea MacNaughton Cornelius and Kennedy 

 

Are you trolling us? I mean, if you are, you're pretty darn good at it. Sort of the Columbo of footie trolls, I guess. 

[costarg]

2 hours ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said:

?

Your comparison was between Buchanan and Corbeanu.

That was a different point and reply to Brethers8, regarding Theo not being there because he had not played enough.   

I was clear in not comparing Theo and Tajon. 

[Bigandy]

4 hours ago, costarg said:

This is what we've been saying for years now.  He should have the energy level, we just haven't seen it yet.

Bottom line, I hope Brym bangs in 3 next match and presses the shit out of the French, which gets himself called up again the next window.  I don't dislike him, I just feel he's never shown anything in the 13 opportunities he's had with CANMNT.  There has to be accountability.  I don't hold anything against Marsch for calling him up and playing him.  Looking at his caps anyone from the outside would think he was an moderately important player for us.

Thing about Shaff and Theo, we know they have defensive gaps, but they contribute offensively at every single chance.  They show up.  Brym does nothing on both sides of the ball and never looked like he wanted to there.  

I was saying Brym has more energy than corbeanu.  You’re going to hate this but Brym had the most recoveries out of any Canadian player and he only played 34 minutes.  I think it’s time for you to judge Brym based on his performance, not one sprint you feel he missed 2 years ago.  
 

shaf didn’t contribute to any attacking build up last night other than being fast. To say theo contributes every single time is completely false and based off what caps?  
 

Again, perhaps judge brym more fairly. He mostly has caps in friendlies and the gold cup. Has he ever played more than 15 minutes in a competitive match for Canada?  
 

you seem to have a desire to turn many conversations into how awful Brym is.  I just don’t get it.  

[spitfire]

just watched back the game their 2nd goal should have been ruled offside their player stood offside right in front of Dayne...I know it means little now...just saying

Edited June 8 by spitfire

[WestHamCanadianinOxford]

9 minutes ago, costarg said:

That was a different point and reply to Brethers8, regarding Theo not being there because he had not played enough.   

I was clear in not comparing Theo and Tajon. 

Again.

It is ridiculous to say you can "compare the situation" and stick your fingers in your ears and refuse to consider the players' context. Recent playing time is only one part of the decision to call up a player.

Again. If you put those restrictions on it, it is a useless   comparison.

 

[costarg]

59 minutes ago, Bigandy said:

I was saying Brym has more energy than corbeanu.

There is no way to measure this.  We have not seen it.

1 hour ago, Bigandy said:

You’re going to hate this but Brym had the most recoveries out of any Canadian player and he only played 34 minutes.  

I mentioned this myself just above.  I gave him credit for the little he did do.

1 hour ago, Bigandy said:

I think it’s time for you to judge Brym based on his performance, not one sprint you feel he missed 2 years ago.  

We're all judging Brym on his 13 caps, his league/level, team and overall performances.  While also comparing him to his direct competition. 

Once again, I'm not bashing him.  Go read my posts.  I said I can totally understand why people judge him and rate others higher based on everything we've seen from day one.  We do have better wingers and strikers, higher tempo guys as well as guys that are better offensively and/or defensively as well as better 2-way guys.

Still hoping he proves us all wrong and comes out big the next match, he's due for a major breakout performance

1 hour ago, Bigandy said:

shaf didn’t contribute to any attacking build up last night other than being fast. To say theo contributes every single time is completely false and based off what caps?  

Shaff did have at least one nice break and shot and got a corner off it.  Brym had one nice move and shot straight at the keeper.  Looking at it another way, Shaff also has 2G in 179' for CANMNT as a winger.  So he also has better stats and has looked infinitely more dangerous than anything we've ever seen from Brym.

If he's not scoring, we need to see effort and hustle.  That is the issue.

I can go all day man, all the stats and eye tests go against Brym unfortunately.  

[costarg]

56 minutes ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said:

Again.

It is ridiculous to say you can "compare the situation" and stick your fingers in your ears and refuse to consider the players' context. Recent playing time is only one part of the decision to call up a player.

Again. If you put those restrictions on it, it is a useless   comparison.

 

The context is:  The initial discussion started with @Unnamed Trialist comparing him to Theo, which I think is the most obvious and fair comparison.  So I just went with that.  I've shown and compared his team, league, level, market value and stats.   We've all seen his 13 caps.  I assume you've seen him play and his stats for Sparta as well.   There is no angle that puts him ahead of some of our others except for versatility and him being in Rotterdam.  We all know that is the only reason he's there.  @Unnamed Trialist made a fair point, the discussion pretty much ends there.  

No one is ignoring any angles or stats, its all there buddy.  We have wingers and WB with more production and have shown better 2-way play as well as more drive and passion.  The critical comments are fair.  Marsch has seen what he needed to see, we move on from here.  

[WestHamCanadianinOxford]

9 minutes ago, costarg said:

The context is:  The initial discussion started with @Unnamed Trialist comparing him to Theo, which I think is the most obvious and fair comparison.  So I just went with that.  I've shown and compared his team, league, level, market value and stats.   We've all seen his 13 caps.  I assume you've seen him play and his stats for Sparta as well.   There is no angle that puts him ahead of some of our others except for versatility and him being in Rotterdam.  We all know that is the only reason he's there.  @Unnamed Trialist made a fair point, the discussion pretty much ends there.  

No one is ignoring any angles or stats, its all there buddy.  We have wingers and WB with more production and have shown better 2-way play as well as more drive and passion.  The critical comments are fair.  Marsch has seen what he needed to see, we move on from here.  

*Bangs head on desk*

You comparing Buchanan's "situation", mate. To Corbeanu's.

 

I have never mentioned Brym. I know you are in full "everybody knows" mode but you have to read people's post to respond reasonably.

[Sal333]

On 6/7/2024 at 2:22 PM, Bigandy said:

Ah. My mistake. Since you replied to my original comment about 442, I thought we were talking about formation.  It seems you have a hate for Marsch and this debate may not be very tactically based and more about “how bad Marsch is”.   Perhaps it’s best to not continue?  

We had Marsch here in Montreal. I've seen him. I have a pretty good idea of what he can do. Also, many people on this forum claimed that Herdman was a used car salesman. All talk and no substance. I never agreed with them and yet here we are with a new coach who is the epitome of a used car salesman. If our federation was in good shape financially I would not have minded a Marsch. We hire him. He screws up. We fire him after a year. But with our federation that won't happen. We're stuck with this one trick pony until WC 2026. I'm old enough to realize there are not many WCs left in my life That's why I dislike MArsch.

Edited June 8 by Sal333

[JAVIERF]

1 hour ago, The Beaver 2.0 said:

Are you trolling us? I mean, if you are, you're pretty darn good at it. Sort of the Columbo of footie trolls, I guess. 

No, no trolling no puns etc 

The Davies at left back nation football doesn't work for me.  He ruled it Vs Panama as right midfielder and left midfield I believe,  Adekugbu is another option but is Injured

As left back the best for you is Kennedy who he is also a left sided defender. 

Layrea for me is irreplaceable for Canada .  Too much grit! 

MacNaughton was a beast Vs Suarez Messi the four or five  matches they were rivals .

Cornélius seems calmer than Miller and a bit faster ,  can be the captain in the future 

For midfield you have to play midfielders Paton I like , Fraser too,  Kayé etc

Koné is someone hard to play as a holding mid Choiniere could play right midfielder,  Buchanan and Curbeanu are similar,  but you need passers ,  up front I would try Shaffelburg and David 

 

[Bigandy]

38 minutes ago, costarg said:

There is no way to measure this.  We have not seen it.

I mentioned this myself just above.  I gave him credit for the little he did do.

We're all judging Brym on his 13 caps, his league/level, team and overall performances.  While also comparing him to his direct competition. 

Once again, I'm not bashing him.  Go read my posts.  I said I can totally understand why people judge him and rate others higher based on everything we've seen from day one.  We do have better wingers and strikers, higher tempo guys as well as guys that are better offensively and/or defensively as well as better 2-way guys.

Still hoping he proves us all wrong and comes out big the next match, he's due for a major breakout performance

Shaff did have at least one nice break and shot and got a corner off it.  Brym had one nice move and shot straight at the keeper.  Looking at it another way, Shaff also has 2G in 179' for CANMNT as a winger.  So he also has better stats and has looked infinitely more dangerous than anything we've ever seen from Brym.

If he's not scoring, we need to see effort and hustle.  That is the issue.

I can go all day man, all the stats and eye tests go against Brym unfortunately.  

You’re just not being fair.  You say all the stats go against Brym and proves he doesn’t work hard.  He was the highest rated Canadian on fotmob and had the most recoveries even though he played 34 minutes.  I have no idea how you can say he had no hustle and effort when the stats clearly show he was incredibly involved in 34 minutes (as far as Canadians go). 

[Bigandy]

9 minutes ago, Sal333 said:

We had Marsch here in Montreal. I've seen him. I have a pretty good idea of what he can do. Also, many people on this forum claimed that Herdman was a used car salesman. All talk and no substance. I never agreed with them and yet here we are with a new coach who is the epitome of a used car salesman. If our federation was in good shape financially I would not have minded a Marsch. We hire him. He screws up. We fire him after a year. But with our federation that won't happen. We're stuck with this one trick pony until WC 2026. I'm old enough to realize there are not many WCs left in my life That's why I dislike MArsch.

Do you not think that players change and grow over their careers? Dont you think it’s the same for managers.  Marsch is not the same coach he was. 

[JAVIERF]

2 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

You are just making it up as you go along, no rhyme nor reason. Just throwing out names with no logic whatsoever, sorry.

Mate ,  I like defenders to defend and fearless ,  center midfielders should be enforcers with a good foot,  and attackers I like dribblers 

Shaffelburg is a dribbler and David is a Dribbler 

[JAVIERF]

18 minutes ago, Sal333 said:

We had Marsch here in Montreal. I've seen him. I have a pretty good idea of what he can do. Also, many people on this forum claimed that Herdman was a used car salesman. All talk and no substance. I never agreed with them and yet here we are with a new coach who is the epitome of a used car salesman. If our federation was in good shape financially I would not have minded a Marsch. We hire him. He screws up. We fire him after a year. But with our federation that won't happen. We're stuck with this one trick pony until WC 2026. I'm old enough to realize there are not many WCs left in my life That's why I dislike MArsch.

That's why I was having the insight that your association was looking for an Argentina or a Uruguayan coach.  Italian names were too.  

The main problem with Canada now is Hutchinson's replacement as holding midfielder,  the guy for the last 8 years took over Daniel Imhoff's place and made it his.  

[Stryker911]

2 hours ago, spitfire said:

just watched back the game their 2nd goal should have been ruled offside their player stood offside right in front of Dayne...I know it means little now...just saying

Davies had actually slid off the back of the field so was behind Dayne. 

Not sure what was going on with Davies cleats. He seemed to be the only one having issues with footing. 

[JAVIERF]

2 hours ago, spitfire said:

just watched back the game their 2nd goal should have been ruled offside their player stood offside right in front of Dayne...I know it means little now...just saying

Was a blatant off side 

[Joe MacCarthy]

2 hours ago, Bigandy said:

You’re going to hate this but Brym had the most recoveries out of any Canadian player and he only played 34 minutes. 

I have defended him before just because of the Voyageur whipping boy tradition but that aside I thought he played well.  He seemed to have a calm presence on the ball when it seems others didn't.  I saw him (I think) standing around on one goal but then again there were four goals scored so he wasn't the only one.

A lot of people (me included) thought this would be his charity game and that would be it, but I don't think this is the last we will see of him.  I think he earned another shot.

[Unnamed Trialist]

2 hours ago, Bigandy said:

You’re just not being fair.  You say all the stats go against Brym and proves he doesn’t work hard.  He was the highest rated Canadian on fotmob and had the most recoveries even though he played 34 minutes.  I have no idea how you can say he had no hustle and effort when the stats clearly show he was incredibly involved in 34 minutes (as far as Canadians go). 

That is a sure sign of folks who can't watch and if they do they see nothing. Fotmob can stuff it, it's for dummies: we can't sit here saying oh, well Brym, Shaffelburg, when in their minutes the guy on their side defending was hung out to dry, the guy in Poland and the guy at Bayern. They both failed miserably because they were not there to play two ways, seriously, especially Shaff, and both were a major step down from who they subbed. 

Brym is fine as a no. 20-27 player on the team, and probably is improving in his club career, and could improve more, but he really should not see the pitch for Canada and everytime it happens the conclusion is we're dumbass and we like it.