Jesse Marsch: CanMNT manager

[costarg]

31 minutes ago, SpursFlu said:

Am I the only one who thinks a coach's role on a national team is overrated anyways. It's more about squad selection and can the guy not annoy our players for 10 days than any kinda tactical masterclass

Another detail to consider is Marsch's system is fairly complex and changes a lot according to the phase and area.  Not sure this translates well to a national team.  Curious to see if he waters it down or if he drills the national breaks to a whole new level of intensity.  That could create a divide and breaking point for the players.

[Watchmen]

7 minutes ago, costarg said:

Curious to see if he waters it down or if he drills the national breaks to a whole new level of intensity.  That could create a divide and breaking point for the players.

I would think he'll initially start with something a little more basic, given the limited amount of time he'll have (although 5 games + training days is a good run).

Honestly, I don't care if the training is intense. I suspect the top quality players won't either. They want to win. And if there's a player who isn't willing to raise their standard up to the new level, well then goodbye.

[jhoops__]

15 minutes ago, costarg said:

Another detail to consider is Marsch's system is fairly complex and changes a lot according to the phase and area.  Not sure this translates well to a national team.  Curious to see if he waters it down or if he drills the national breaks to a whole new level of intensity.  That could create a divide and breaking point for the players.

With the season over before Copa for most players I’d think the window staring June 3 will be very intense on/off the pitch…

[frmr]

21 minutes ago, costarg said:

Another detail to consider is Marsch's system is fairly complex and changes a lot according to the phase and area.  Not sure this translates well to a national team.  Curious to see if he waters it down or if he drills the national breaks to a whole new level of intensity.  That could create a divide and breaking point for the players.

He spoke about this in his interview. He said he acknowledged the limited time to drill tactics and systems in international windows, so instead of overwhelming players in these short windows he needs to empower them and give them tools to get the most out of them. What does that mean? I have no idea, but he at least acknowledged it, so yes I imagine it will need to be some simplified version of his Red Bull style.

[toontownman]

17 hours ago, Joe MacCarthy said:

 

I got through this but I'm not sure why. 

I wanted to turn it off 2 minutes in when Brennan was saying Biello has exactly the same portfolio and experience as Marsch and why wouldn't he get the job?

I can imagine why Brennan might want to black out the last 10 years of his own career but come now. That's pretty ridiculous ignorance. Even more annoying no one called him on it and played along. 

[Watchmen]

1 minute ago, toontownman said:

I got through this but I'm not sure why. 

I wanted to turn it off 2 minutes in when Brennan was saying Biello has exactly the same portfolio and experience as Marsch and why wouldn't he get the job?

I thought it was Forrest who said it, but yeah. "They both have the same experience. They both managed in MLS. So why not Biello?" Just totally ignoring Marsch going off to Austria/Germany/England.

[frmr]

Bunkis is a hockey guy but nice to see some mainstream attention on the program.

 

[WestHamCanadianinOxford]

5 minutes ago, frmr said:

Bunkis is a hockey guy but nice to see some mainstream attention on the program.

 

Just got into it and its a hard watch.

But one quick bit of context from the very beginning : He only had Haaland for half a season.  The player came in half a season before Marsch and played like two games for the coach before.  Marsch said he saw him 20 minutes in training and thought he was special.  Had a hatrick in his first cup game, destroyed Genk in the Champions League, grabbed 3 against Napoli in 2 games in the same and was off to Dortmund in January. 

Didn't develop him for sure but gave him his first big chance on the world stage.

[Joe MacCarthy]

28 minutes ago, toontownman said:

I got through this but I'm not sure why.

I'm still trying to figure out why they have two extra annoying nobodies sitting on the ends.  Did they lose one today?  But the leftover guy seemed to make up for it by being more annoying.

I get the feeling Forrest is pissed off he was left out of the loop.  In a way I can't blame him.  I know Friend and Simpson are execs but really who was closer to the NT than Forrest and even Brennan.

When Blue was first hired I got a little vibe about former CFL Commissioner Mike Lysko (he didn't last) and the frat boy phone call didn't help matters.

To me the MLS money was like getting a loan from family and not going out and earning it.  I'll give him the benefit of the doubt as it's early days and the end result is he got the money but I'm not sold yet.

[frmr]

Just now, WestHamCanadianinOxford said:

Just got into it and its a hard watch.

But one quick bit of context from the very beginning : He only had Haaland for half a season.  The player came in half a season before Marsch and played like two games for the coach before.  Marsch said he saw him 20 minutes in training and thought he was special.  Had a hatrick in his first cup game, destroyed Genk in the Champions League, grabbed 3 against Napoli in 2 games in the same and was off to Dortmund in January. 

Didn't develop him for sure but gave him his first big chance on the world stage.

Yeah I only ever tune into JD for the Leafs, but I did have to laugh at a couple points during this. Certainly not any insight for fans of the program but kind of interesting to see the perspective of a new fan. More often than not I'm not a huge fan of Seixeiro's takes either.

[Kadenge]

Re players: who will be the winners & losers under Jesse and will he deploy a 4-2-3-1?

[WestHamCanadianinOxford]

16 minutes ago, Joe MacCarthy said:

I'm still trying to figure out why they have two extra annoying nobodies sitting on the ends.  Did they lose one today?  But the leftover guy seemed to make up for it by being more annoying.

I get the feeling Forrest is pissed off he was left out of the loop.  In a way I can't blame him.  I know Friend and Simpson are execs but really who was closer to the NT than Forrest and even Brennan.

When Blue was first hired I got a little vibe about former CFL Commissioner Mike Lysko (he didn't last) and the frat boy phone call didn't help matters.

To me the MLS money was like getting a loan from family and not going out and earning it.  I'll give him the benefit of the doubt as it's early days and the end result is he got the money but I'm not sold yet.

I love Forrest for obvious reasons but that came off as a bit sulky. 

Edited May 14 by WestHamCanadianinOxford

[WestHamCanadianinOxford]

4 minutes ago, Kadenge said:

Re players: who will be the winners & losers under Jesse and will he deploy a 4-2-3-1?

Who knows.

It was almost exclusively that at Leeds. (I think he didn't use double 6s in cup games against lower leagues).

But right before that at Leipzig he used 3 at the back, sometimes. 

 

 

[Joe MacCarthy]

1 minute ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said:

I love Forrest for obvious reason but that came off as a bit sulky. 

I agree.  Frankly he seems to be bitter and taciturn on this show.  He never seemed that way with Gerry.  Perhaps he misses the mainstream big time.  I would have figured he wouldn't care as he was retirement age but I looked it up and he's only 56.  I thought he'd be older.

[Joe MacCarthy]

10 minutes ago, frmr said:

 More often than not I'm not a huge fan of Seixeiro's takes either.

When you look up the definition of blowhard in the dictionary you see his picture.

[Joe MacCarthy]

1 hour ago, SpursFlu said:

Am I the only one who thinks a coach's role on a national team is overrated anyways. It's more about squad selection and can the guy not annoy our players for 10 days than any kinda tactical masterclass

I agree with that to a certain extent.  Also the talk of tactics, would that be done via consensus of the coaches or even to the point of having a specialist take care of that.  The HC is more of a combined job of traffic cop, psychologist, decision maker (after consulting others concerned)

[El Diego]

I get prognosticating Marsch's formations and tactics based on his previous experience, it's fun and a new thing to talk about. But keep in mind that his shape has changed from club to club. Also, Herdman's shape and tactics changed quite a bit during his time with the men. For a while it looked like a 4-3-3 was preferred, then a 4-2-2-2, then he eventually settled into the three man backline. I'm interested to see how Marsch tailors his ideas to what's available.

[WestHamCanadianinOxford]

 

[Joe MacCarthy]

After listening to Charlie Davies, who talked with Marsch, he said that Marsch still has the same philosophies but is not rigid to them.  (Big paraphrasing on my part)  As I had hoped, he has done some thinking in his time off.  I guess he had plans about what he wants to do and detailed them at his interview.

[Unnamed Trialist]

1 hour ago, costarg said:

Another detail to consider is Marsch's system is fairly complex and changes a lot according to the phase and area.  Not sure this translates well to a national team.  Curious to see if he waters it down or if he drills the national breaks to a whole new level of intensity.  That could create a divide and breaking point for the players.

Since I know nothing about it: does he have a system with the ball and without? Ahead or chasing a result? Can he read a game and adjust accordingly?

Herdman did well to have a couple assistants who helped him do such things, now at TFC with him, which we could notice. We started qualifying by often being in a back foot, he fixed that. We had some set piece defending problems, also got fixed. We learned to attack both Mexico and the US away, without getting burnt. We never learnt midfield possession, if Marsch adds that I'll be pleased. 

But I seriously dislike a coach who is one dimensional. They say he plays narrow, meaning there isn't really positional a transition from defence to attack?

[Joe MacCarthy]

3 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Herdman did well to have a couple assistants who helped him do such things, now at TFC with him, which we could notice.

But I seriously dislike a coach who is one dimensional. They say he plays narrow, meaning there isn't really positional a transition from defence to attack?

Regarding the first sentence, I agree, there seems to be too much emphasis here about the coach being tactical.  Every person has their strengths and weaknesses and if you're smart you have a guy around who is good at your weaknesses.

As I posted earlier, Charlie Davies seemed to allay some of my fears about Marsch being one dimensional.  Check him out here and see if it helps you decide

[WestHamCanadianinOxford]

Few points from the video above

- Tosaint Ricketts was part of the hiring team and one of the people he mentioned being impressed by along with Blue.  Nice to hear. 

- Knows that systems will have to come in phases but his phrase I have heard before is that it is his job to "make the complex simple".

- On David and Davies specfically wants to have a system where they enjoy themselves and provide a basis for making themselves even better

- Frustrates him that he can't be on the pitch with the players tomorrow. 

 

PS.  He's not spending his MLS money on multiple fancy hotel rooms. 

 

Edited May 14 by WestHamCanadianinOxford

[ECW]

7 minutes ago, Joe MacCarthy said:

After listening to Charlie Davies, who talked with Marsch, he said that Marsch still has the same philosophies but is not rigid to them.  (Big paraphrasing on my part)  As I had hoped, he has done some thinking in his time off.  I guess he had plans about what he wants to do and detailed them at his interview.

I hope so, and it’s certainly possible but it would be a big deal after many years of fairly textbook gegenpressing Red Bull way. Yes, Davies, Buchanan, David, Layrea, Millar, etc. can really run and must have Marsch excited at the prospect, but I don’t think I’d enjoy watching that direct, narrow, not possessing the football style.  

Otherwise, his prep time is going to be much reduced with this gig than his previous several gigs. That might be in our favour as regards flexibility or it might not. 

Despite the ridiculous name attached to our manager and the possibility of conflict of interest of who is paying him, I do like that Blue has found a way to hire someone who demands an internationally sized pay cheque  That doesn’t mean he’s a good fit, however. At least not necessarily to play ‘good football’.

I hope Blue keeps to international standards in that if this obviously doesn’t work out over the two year contract, he’s gone and the ‘sponsorship’ can be applied to someone else. 

 

[SpursFlu]

I feel like the worse attribute a coach can have is a system he likes to play. I think a manager should coach according to the players he has at his disposal and who they are playing against. Even more so with a national team when you're basically forced to coach what you've got. You can't go around the world signing players who have attributes that suite your style of playing. In other words.. you can't set up Canada to play like Barcelona when they're playing against France. You might be able to when they're playing against Guatemala

[Obinna]

36 minutes ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said:

 

I am only halfway through this and just pasued to say.....how could anyone not love what is coming out or Marsch's mouth here?

Again, repeating about how the talent pool was a selling point for him, and how he waited for a role that inspired him, and how the people off the field were professional and inspired him to take on this job, I mean what's there not to like? Even his difficulties at Leeds are framed as learning opportunties, so while some people have their doubts about his poor record there, those difficulties may have actually been excellent prep for this role, not to mention his career.  

I realize intelligent people will frame their failures as learnings, but that's not a bad or negative thing, that's a mature thing and the right thing you want to hear, because everyone has failures in life....it's about how you learn from them.