rydermike Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Started this thread last year. Forgot to start it this year. Here are the current amounts as of the end of WEEK TWO. Club Total U-21 Minutes York United FC 318 Pacific FC 315 Valour FC 182 Forge FC 44 Vancouver FC 37 Halifax Wanderers FC 34 Cavalry FC 31 Atlético Ottawa 8 Mihairokov, NVsoccer, narduch and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rydermike Posted April 30 Author Share Posted April 30 As of Week THREE Club Total U-21 Minutes Pacific FC 405 (+90) York United FC 401 (+83) Valour FC 287 (+105) Vancouver FC 153 (+116) Forge FC 58 (+14) Halifax Wanderers FC 56 (+22) Cavalry FC 49 (+18) Atlético Ottawa 44 (+36) Pace number - 214.3 minutes (2000 divided by 28 times 3) chalms04, Kingston, NVsoccer and 4 others 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rydermike Posted May 7 Author Share Posted May 7 After Matchday 4 Club (Games Played) Total U-21 Minutes Pacific FC (4) 585 (+180) Valour FC (4) 467 (+180) York United FC (4) 446 (+45) Vancouver FC (4) 300 (+147) Atlético Ottawa (4) 134 (+90) Cavalry FC (4) 75 (+26) Forge FC (3) 58 (---) Halifax Wanderers FC (3) 56 (---) Mihairokov, jordan, Kadenge and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aird25 Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 Is Tiago Coimbra injured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rydermike Posted May 14 Author Share Posted May 14 After week FIVE Club Total U-21 Minutes Pacific FC [5] 765 (+180) Valour FC [5] 634 (+167) York United FC [5] 563 (+117) Vancouver FC [5] 408 (+108) Cavalry FC [5] 195 (+120) Atlético Ottawa [5] 160 (+26) Forge FC [4] 152 (+94) Halifax Wanderers FC [4] 128 (+72) K Edgar, Admiral Murray, WestHamCanadianinOxford and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM3/MM2/MM Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 What is the average per game they need to reach the minimum minutes for the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 2 minutes ago, MM3/MM2/MM said: What is the average per game they need to reach the minimum minutes for the season? 2000 / 28 = 71.4 minutes per game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorty Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 5 hours ago, Kingston said: 2000 / 28 = 71.4 minutes per game. Over the whole season, yes. From any given point in time, midseason (if that’s what you were after, MM) the calculation is (2000 - mins already logged) / (games remaining). For HFX right now that’s 1872/24 = 78 mins/game going forward and for PFC it’s 1235/23 = 53.7. Still early days. Once a team gets to the point where it needs north of 135 a game, then it gets sticky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aird25 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 This year, we'll easily get our minutes just by playing our best 11, fortunately. It sad knowing we'll have to ship players out and start another new cycle instead of building a solid squad though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorty Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 (edited) Don’t know that that’s true. We just need to make sure that there’s one or two really solid U21 we can count on for the starting 11 for most games, and not out of charity. It was shaky for Gazdov at first but they committed to their belief in him and he’s a rock now. Ditto Sean Young before that. There are always going to be some players aging out or moving on regardless and as long as they have an Eric L, a Christian GT or a Sami K in the fire that can step in to the shoes of the departures and be solid they won’t need to dump the Gazdovs and Youngs as they age out of U21 status. Done right it’s a slow cycle and you do end up with a solid home-grown squad. I’m so much happier with PFCs youth strategy than Cavalry, Forge or Ottawa for whom the U21s seem like afterthoughts and subs for the most part. They have players with talent but they don’t give them solid starting minutes, and then they move on to a new crop and repeat. Edited May 15 by shorty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aird25 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 50 minutes ago, shorty said: Don’t know that that’s true. We just need to make sure that there’s one or two really solid U21 we can count on for the starting 11 for most games, and not out of charity. It was shaky for Gazdov at first but they committed to their belief in him and he’s a rock now. Ditto Sean Young before that. There are always going to be some players aging out or moving on regardless and as long as they have an Eric L, a Christian GT or a Sami K in the fire that can step in to the shoes of the departures and be solid they won’t need to dump the Gazdovs and Youngs as they age out of U21 status. Done right it’s a slow cycle and you do end up with a solid home-grown squad. I’m so much happier with PFCs youth strategy than Cavalry, Forge or Ottawa for whom the U21s seem like afterthoughts and subs for the most part. They have players with talent but they don’t give them solid starting minutes, and then they move on to a new crop and repeat. I'm strictly basing that off history, not what could occur if done right. We've lost so many players after they aged out of the U21 rule that I half expect it for any player that isn't Island born and raised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 53 minutes ago, Aird25 said: I'm strictly basing that off history, not what could occur if done right. We've lost so many players after they aged out of the U21 rule that I half expect it for any player that isn't Island born and raised. I don't follow the ins and outs of the Pacific roster all that closely. What are some examples of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorty Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 (edited) Binate is a recent example (though he was let go and didn’t age out). Can’t think of another at the moment. Might have forgotten some though. I would think they would spring to minor we had let go a whole bunch of former U21s. Verhoven, maybe? I do remember thinking at the time that we shouldn’t have let him go, but then I think it turned out that he had some other reason for leaving, if I recall. Edited May 16 by shorty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aird25 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 1 hour ago, jonovision said: I don't follow the ins and outs of the Pacific roster all that closely. What are some examples of this? It was more apparent in the early years but Campbell, Chung, Hojabrpour, Binate, Norman, Habibullah, Lee, Baldisimo, Polisi, Verhoven, Verhoeven, Hernandez etc all were players I imagine we would have tried harder to keep of they fit age bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rydermike Posted May 21 Author Share Posted May 21 After Week 6 CPL Top U-21 Minutes Club Total U-21 Minutes Pacific FC (6) 1,029 (+264) Valour FC (6) 813 (+179) York United FC (6) 653 (+90) Vancouver FC (6) 442 (+34) Forge FC (5) 307 (+155) Cavalry FC (6) 285 (+90)) Halifax Wanderers FC (5) 198 (+70) Atlético Ottawa (6) 161 (+1) Current pace numbers 357 (5 games) and 429 (6 games) Kingston, aredding77, K Edgar and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 U21 minutes per remaining game required to meet the quota: Pacific: 44 Valour: 54 York: 61 Vancouver: 71 Forge: 74 Cavalry: 78 Halifax: 78 Ottawa: 84 Kingston 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Edgar Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 by player (top 15)... Player Team Contract Starts Subs Minutes Noah Abatneh York SPC 5 1 488 Emil Gazdov Pacific SPC 5 0 450 Eric Lajeunesse Pacific U SPORTS 4 1 388 Abdul Binate Valour SPC 5 1 379 Juan Pablo Sánchez Valour SPC 3 3 336 Lucas Dias Cavalry Loan 2 4 219 Kwasi Poku Forge SPC 2 3 204 Tiago Coimbra Halifax SPC 2 1 172 Gabriel Antinoro Ottawa SPC 1 3 126 Paul Amedume Pacific SPC 2 0 107 Joe Hanson Valour SPC 0 4 98 Elage Bah Vancouver SPC 0 3 96 Markiyan Voytsekhovskyy York SPC 1 1 96 Anthony White Vancouver SPC 1 0 90 Christian Greco-Taylor Pacific SPC 0 1 84 Mihairokov and masster 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rydermike Posted May 27 Author Share Posted May 27 CPL Top U-21 Minutes Club Total U-21 Minutes Pacific FC (7) 1,309 (+280) Valour FC (7) 954 (+141) York United FC (7) 757 (+104) Vancouver FC (7) 484 (+42) Forge FC (6) 375 (+68) Cavalry FC (7) 308 (+23) Halifax Wanderers FC (6) 264 (+66) Atlético Ottawa (7) 220 (+59) Teams should be at 429 minutes (6 games) or 500 (7 games) to be on pace. Kadenge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rydermike Posted June 3 Author Share Posted June 3 Club Total U-21 Minutes Pacific FC -8 1,490 (+181) Valour FC -8 1,134 (+180) York United FC - 8 879 (+122) Vancouver FC - 8 520 (+36) Forge FC - 7 499 (+124) Cavalry FC -8 366 (+58) Atlético Ottawa - 7 337 (+117) Halifax Wanderers FC - 8 286 (+66) Kadenge, Kingston and aredding77 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rydermike Posted June 10 Author Share Posted June 10 Club Total U-21 Minutes Pacific FC - 9 1,720 (+230) Valour FC -9 1,224 (+90) York United FC - 9 1,159 (+280) Vancouver FC - 9 664 (+144) Forge FC - 8 600 (+101) Cavalry FC - 9 400 (+36) Atlético Ottawa -8 404 (+67) Halifax Wanderers FC - 9 287 (+1) NVsoccer, YorkRegionFan, Kingston and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rydermike Posted June 10 Author Share Posted June 10 Man, HFX is really in a bind. It'd be one thing if they were so far behind in U21 minutes, but at the top of the standings (or at least in a playoff spot), but they're so far behind and in last place Kingston and Kadenge 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 5 minutes ago, rydermike said: Man, HFX is really in a bind. It'd be one thing if they were so far behind in U21 minutes, but at the top of the standings (or at least in a playoff spot), but they're so far behind and in last place On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, if they aren't threatening the playoff spots, a points penalty is irrelevant, as is the performance penalty of throwing in a bunch of kids late in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mihairokov Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 In a sporting sense it's sometimes better to be bad and local - a team full of local players who fill spots when the team is bad regardless - but it looks like HFX is neither of those things at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rydermike Posted June 19 Author Share Posted June 19 Club Total U-21 Minutes Pacific FC -10 1,900 (+180) Valour FC -10 1,282 (+58) York United FC -10 1,259 (+100) Forge FC - 9 704 (+104) Vancouver FC -10 692 (+28) Cavalry FC -10 496 (+96) Atlético Ottawa -10 422 (+18) Halifax Wanderers FC - 9 317 (+30) Teams should be at 714 minutes (10 Games) or 643 (9 games) Kingston and ray 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Ottawa and Halifax both need to basically average one 90 minute U21 on the field per game until the end of the season. Both might able to get away with stacking those minutes in the final few games for opposite reasons (Halifax not in playoff contention, Ottawa likely in a comfortable position by then). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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