Unnamed Trialist Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Kingston said: So if a B team gets force-relegated, I assume some lucky team gets a bonus promotion? Has there ever been a case where the A team got demoted at the same time as the B team got promoted ahead of them? Cheers, I love this sort of stuff. I am pretty sure it has happened but not from 2nd to 1st division, just can't find the examples. What we have seen in Spain is the first team goes down to second division, and the B team promotes, from third into second. Then the B team is put back where it came from, happens a lot, because you can't compete against your own B team, the promotion is null and void. This happened when Deportivo Coruña relegated in 2018 and their B team played the promotion playoffs into 2nd division. They let them continue to play them, with the first team relegated, because technically, until 30 June, nothing is official--because all clubs have financial obligations to fulfill and if they don't, that could cause adjustments to what division you are in. This also happened when Sporting Gijon relegated from top flight and the B team promoted into 2nd division, not long ago. Quite the mess: you could promote winning a playoff then not be allowed into that division, and the loser of your playoff would get the spot. What you are asking about bonus promotions, definitely; and there are also "bonus" relegations. I think the rule in Spain, if a spot opens up, is what I said: a team that lost the final of the promotion playoff can still promote. Not teams directly relegated in the league table. This also happens when the strictly regional tier division are promoting into national divisions. In Spain the 5th tier is all provincial, a division per province (called autonomous communities here). So if a lot of them promote into 4th, through the playoffs, they don't save the relegated teams, but allow more teams from the 6th tier to fill in the spots in the provincial 5 tier (as I write this I realize it is close to unintelligible). Also, if more teams from a single region relegate out of 4th tier, into their single provincial 5th tier division, that would force more bottom dwellers down. Basically, you could avoid relegation in the league table and be fine, but because of compensations, to make way for teams relegated from above, you could eventually relegate--even weeks after the season ended. The whole business of "compensations" is a nightmare for teams that celebrated not relegating on the last day of the year, and end up relegating anyways. Edited April 5 by Unnamed Trialist Kingston 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Posted April 17 Author Share Posted April 17 I'm quite interested in how the new Sudbury team will do as the first northern Ontario team in the league. They seem to be taking things more professionally than many of the teams. At the moment, only season tickets are available at a cost of $110 for eight games (which I assume means it includes the first round of the L1 Cup). That's $13.75 per game at the reduced season ticket rate so I suspect the single game tickets will be at least $15 if not $20. That's a pretty solid ask for a team which is so far down in the league structure for Canada considering I can get a cheap CPL ticket in Ottawa for $15. So I appreciate their effective statement of "we are treating this professionally and our product has value". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthBayfan001 Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 On 4/17/2024 at 8:00 AM, Kingston said: I'm quite interested in how the new Sudbury team will do as the first northern Ontario team in the league. They seem to be taking things more professionally than many of the teams. At the moment, only season tickets are available at a cost of $110 for eight games (which I assume means it includes the first round of the L1 Cup). That's $13.75 per game at the reduced season ticket rate so I suspect the single game tickets will be at least $15 if not $20. That's a pretty solid ask for a team which is so far down in the league structure for Canada considering I can get a cheap CPL ticket in Ottawa for $15. So I appreciate their effective statement of "we are treating this professionally and our product has value". To add to this, the L1 Cup game on April 20th was pushed hard at the Wolves OHL game last night. Posters all over the arena, ads on the scoreboard, and an announcement by the P.A. announcer. Kingston, Mihairokov, ray and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket Robin Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Result and details of the Sat Apr 20/24 League1 Ontario Men's Cup game between The Borough FC and Pickering FC played at L'Amoreaux Park in Scarborough. First ever L1O game for The Borough and first for Pickering in two years. I also have post game interviews with both head coaches. http://www.rocketrobinsoccerintoronto.com/reports24/24l1o015.htm Mihairokov, Unnamed Trialist, Kingston and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 https://canpl.ca/article/theyre-local-heroes-simcoe-county-rovers-inspiring-barrie-community-ahead-of-dream-toronto-fc-clash Article about Simcoe County Rovers, and their upcoming game against TFC. Unnamed Trialist, Kingston and Mihairokov 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket Robin Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 (edited) Result and details of the Sat Apr 27, 2024 League1Ontario game between ProStars FC and Alliance United played at Mattamy Sports Park in Mississauga. First weekend of Premier Division league play. http://www.rocketrobinsoccerintoronto.com/reports24/24l1o017.htm http:/o017.htm Edited April 28 by Rocket Robin Kingston 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigi riva Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 nice start for Guelph United Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket Robin Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Result and details of the Sun Apr 28/24 League1 Ontario Men's Premier Divisison game between Vaughan Azzurri and Simcoe County Rovers played at NMRP. Includes post game interview with SCR head coach Zico Mehredy. Yes I ask him about the TFC game. http://www.rocketrobinsoccerintoronto.com/reports24/24l1o018.htm Mihairokov, narduch and Kingston 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket Robin Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Result and details of the Sun May 5/24 League1 Ontario game between Vaughan Azzurri and Guelph United played at NMRP. I also have post game interviews with AC of Vaughan Fabio Campoli and HC of Guelph Justin Springer. https://www.rocketrobinsoccerintoronto.com/reports24/24l1o021.htm narduch and Mihairokov 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket Robin Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 Result and details of the Sat May 11/24 League1 Ontario Men's Premier game between Alliance United and Sigma FC played at Centennial College. Also includes post game audio interviews with head coaches Ilya Orlov and John Zervos. http://www.rocketrobinsoccerintoronto.com/reports24/24l1o022.htmo022.htm narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Posted May 13 Author Share Posted May 13 Thanks again for doing all these updates, Rocket Robin! A question for you as you do get out to all the L1 venues: How many/what percentage of the teams (roughly) have some sort of paid ticketing system in place as opposed to just having people walk up and watch the game? For the teams that do have tickets, what is a typical ticket cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket Robin Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 On 5/13/2024 at 8:31 AM, Kingston said: Thanks again for doing all these updates, Rocket Robin! A question for you as you do get out to all the L1 venues: How many/what percentage of the teams (roughly) have some sort of paid ticketing system in place as opposed to just having people walk up and watch the game? For the teams that do have tickets, what is a typical ticket cost? Admission is usually $5 or $10. Alliance was free but this week Centennial College dinged me for $6.50 for parking whereas last week the backway gate was open. There are special nights for some clubs where kids wearing their club kits (I suspect they mean their own youth teams) get in for free. Kingston, Mihairokov and Unnamed Trialist 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket Robin Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Result and details of the Sat May 18/24 League1 Ontario Men's Premier Division game between Alliance United and Burlington SC played at Centennial College. Exciting 6-4 game. Includes my post match audio interview with Burlington assistant coach Neil Wilson. http://www.rocketrobinsoccerintoronto.com/reports24/24l1o026.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Posted May 21 Author Share Posted May 21 On 5/18/2024 at 10:31 PM, Rocket Robin said: Admission is usually $5 or $10. Alliance was free but this week Centennial College dinged me for $6.50 for parking whereas last week the backway gate was open. There are special nights for some clubs where kids wearing their club kits (I suspect they mean their own youth teams) get in for free. Thanks. That's useful information. So when you post that the crowd was about 200 people, it means the club is bringing in $1000 or $2000 for the game. That's not a huge amount but it will add up to something over 11 home games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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narduch Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 By the way Woodbridge Strikers have upgraded the seating at their little stadium. The installation was by SixFive Sports Kent, NVsoccer, K Edgar and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoccMan Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 8 hours ago, narduch said: By the way Woodbridge Strikers have upgraded the seating at their little stadium. The installation was by SixFive Sports Did they add more seats ? Where do they play ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 6 hours ago, SoccMan said: Did they add more seats ? Where do they play ? Its called Vaughan Grove Park. Right beside the Ontario Soccer Centre. Hilariously just steps from the OSC stadium that was supposed to be upgraded and expanded as the home of TFC II. But nobody showed up for those games and they never continued the work there. They added 450 seats apparently. Kingston and Kent 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Posted May 23 Author Share Posted May 23 That's a very nice little stadium. It also makes it easy to count the blue dots for empty seats when discussing attendance. longlugan, narduch, NVsoccer and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mihairokov Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Burlington beat Scrosoppi in penalties in L1O Cup last night, as well. narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket Robin Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 On 5/21/2024 at 11:36 AM, Kingston said: Thanks. That's useful information. So when you post that the crowd was about 200 people, it means the club is bringing in $1000 or $2000 for the game. That's not a huge amount but it will add up to something over 11 home games. But how many are actually paying when kids wearing their club gear get in for free and parents who paid thousands over the years to keep their kids enrolled with the club are waved in 'Mrs (parent's name'). ? Even I've been on a guest list at a bar when my friend from work was in a band and put his buddies names on it. Mihairokov 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Posted May 24 Author Share Posted May 24 2 hours ago, Rocket Robin said: But how many are actually paying when kids wearing their club gear get in for free and parents who paid thousands over the years to keep their kids enrolled with the club are waved in 'Mrs (parent's name'). ? I'm not sure because I don't get out to L1O games. I'd appreciate any insight you would have. Mainly, I'm trying to get a sense of whether L1O clubs are getting any meaningful ticket money or, like Kingston used to do, just letting people in for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoccMan Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 23 hours ago, Kingston said: I'm not sure because I don't get out to L1O games. I'd appreciate any insight you would have. Mainly, I'm trying to get a sense of whether L1O clubs are getting any meaningful ticket money or, like Kingston used to do, just letting people in for free. I was involved with a League 1 team back in 2019 and the vast majority of clubs back then were not making much from ticket sales . Maybe some teams might make a couple of hundred dollars from ticket sales a game on average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 (edited) ...enough to pay for the ref and linesmen basically. Then you have to pay for field rental for training sessions as well as the actual games, several match quality balls, a couple of sets of strips, league fees, registration fees for the players, before you can even start to think about actually paying the players. Some posters on here still seem to think this "pro-am" setup is relevant in some way when I suggest more bus travel to away games might be a good move financially in a CanPL context where teams genuinely are fully professional and need crowds to be well into the thousands paying something like $30 on average to make the books balance. Edited May 25 by Ozzie_the_parrot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket Robin Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Result and details of the Sun May 26/24 League1 Ontario Men's Premier Division game between Woodbridge Strikers and Vaughan Azzurri played at Vaughan Grove. A packed house! Includes my post game interview with Woodbridge head coach Peter Pinizzotto. http://www.rocketrobinsoccerintoronto.com/reports24/24l1o027.htm Kent, Kingston, narduch and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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