masster Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 4 hours ago, Ed_S said: No one has mentioned the dog-shit turf they play on as a reason for keeping players out of the game. Why risk an injury for your stars?? Because I don't think it was a deciding factor. Even if BC Place had grass, given the long flight and quick turnaround in Miami's schedule, I don't think Messi is playing anyways. Plus, Messi already showed he is willing to play on the fake stuff when Miami visited New England earlier this season. RS, BearcatSA and Watchmen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 7 hours ago, masster said: Plus, Messi already showed he is willing to play on the fake stuff when Miami visited New England earlier this season. I wouldn't be surprised if playing in New England once might very well have changed his mind about playing on that kind of turf again a few weeks later. Recovery time was a lot worse in my case. narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 My guess is the Wednesday mid-week game was probably the biggest consideration for the Messi exclusion. And you know what, it worked. They won anyways and they got to give their star player some much needed rest. Watchmen, RJB, Corazon and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 On 5/26/2024 at 2:16 AM, Watchmen said: How about now? 😉 At the time I wrote my post, the Whitecaps were doing quite well. But I see your skepticism about their ability to maintain that has been proven right. Watchmen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal_Kick Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 The game this Wednesday against Kansas is by no means a "must win" game. But if the Whitecaps lose against the team with the fourth worst record in the league and a 1-3-3 home record the heat on the Whitecaps and Vanni will rise several degrees. saladroit, BearcatSA and Corazon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Schuster on the radio this morning (650 am). Didn't sound happy with him the Miami fiasco unfolded. Sounds like the Whitecaps cashed in a few chips to get the game in the first place, and I think he's been on the phone to the league. But, the topic of Vanni did come up. Said he understood people starting to question the coach, but felt it was too early for a move yet and it wasn't really under consideration. NVsoccer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 It is sounding like Vanni is going to tweak the system. Not a full change (they'll still be going 3 at the back, and zonal marking) but at least a change of some sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal_Kick Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 1 hour ago, Watchmen said: Schuster on the radio this morning (650 am) The interview can be found here. Starts at around 26:15. https://www.sportsnet.ca/650/halford-brough-morning/will-lekkerimaki-make-the-canucks-next-year/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Watchmen Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 Got the points on the road. Some clinical finishing by Gauld. Some brutal defending by 4 Whitecaps on the KC goal. Think the revised formation did help. costarg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal_Kick Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 4 hours ago, Watchmen said: Some clinical finishing by Gauld. That, and it helps when six or seven Kansas players just stand around and watch him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 44 minutes ago, Goal_Kick said: That, and it helps when six or seven Kansas players just stand around and watch him. That was the first one. Second one was a horrific turnover by a Kansas player, but nicely taken and slotted home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saladroit Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 the 3-5-2 (or really 3-1-4-2) looked pretty good (as it did last year), interested to see if they stay with it or if they go back to the 3-4-3. think the 3-4-3 works better if the caps are chasing the game, not from the starting game state costarg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal_Kick Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 1 hour ago, saladroit said: the 3-5-2 (or really 3-1-4-2) looked pretty good (as it did last year), interested to see if they stay with it or if they go back to the 3-4-3. think the 3-4-3 works better if the caps are chasing the game, not from the starting game state Since a fair number of people around here know more about soccer tactics than I do, I have a question: Does a formation change from 3-5-2 to 3-4-3 really make that much difference in the course of play? To my untrained eye, it seems that players are moving all over the field anyways, regardless of the stated formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 1 minute ago, Goal_Kick said: Since a fair number of people around here know more about soccer tactics than I do, I have a question: Does a formation change from 3-5-2 to 3-4-3 really make that much difference in the course of play? To my untrained eye, it seems that players are moving all over the field anyways, regardless of the stated formation. I think the difference is that there's a bit more coverage defensively, especially through the middle. Last year the Whitecaps did tend to control the middle of the pitch more often than not. And when you have your wingers running up with the attack there's someone more readily available to drift in behind them for coverage. Further, 3 at the front I don't think really works, at least with the talent at this level. It requires a lot of pressing and speed, which the Whitecaps don't have. Which is why my biggest complaint this year is that Vanni picked a formation his players aren't suited to, and then seemed shocked when it fell apart on him. And of course, they played the worst team in the west last night, and that definitely helped with the result. Goal_Kick and costarg 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 2 hours ago, Goal_Kick said: Since a fair number of people around here know more about soccer tactics than I do, I have a question: Does a formation change from 3-5-2 to 3-4-3 really make that much difference in the course of play? To my untrained eye, it seems that players are moving all over the field anyways, regardless of the stated formation. Ya, it can be a major shift. 3-1-4-2 would imply a defensive mid providing cover to the back and stabilizing the midfield, while the 3-4-3 would imply just 2 guys running the midfield and 3 guys up top. Could make a huge difference depending the team you're facing and the squad you have. Goal_Kick and saladroit 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Watchmen Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 When they signed Kreilach, this was the role I envisioned for him - off the bench, poaching a late winner. Certainly ugly, but it's the kind of goal White hasn't been able to get in a month. Team seems devoid of ideas going forward right now. It's like Teibert is coaching the offense - all backwards passes. Very slow play as well. Have noticed that it's not uncommon for a pressing striker to be able to cover to defenders passing it amongst themselves because they're passing it so slowly. Playing a struggling Laborda in the center of the back 3 was simply an awful decision, and it nearly cost them a number of times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 There is no attacking inventiveness here. Just grinders out there that work hard and hope the pressure causes the other team to f*ck up and turnover the ball for a quick counteratrack. Fortunately, there are enough teams in this conference and league who will oblige. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal_Kick Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 2 hours ago, BearcatSA said: There is no attacking inventiveness here. Just grinders out there that work hard and hope the pressure causes the other team to f*ck up and turnover the ball for a quick counteratrack. Fortunately, there are enough teams in this conference and league who will oblige. Yep. Despite their troubles, the Whitecaps are in fifth place in the West. I fully expect them to make the playoffs but I doubt they'll be able to do much once they're there with the present team. Kingston 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal_Kick Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 3 hours ago, Watchmen said: It's like Teibert is coaching the offense - all backwards passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Watchmen Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 The first assist was a perfectly weighted pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Watchmen said: Probably needed. We might be headed out to family on the Island at that time and took a peek at the prices. Imagine paying that for a League 1 side. £10 we used to pay for lower league cup sides.😛. Edited June 3 by WestHamCanadianinOxford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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