costarg Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 11 minutes ago, narduch said: What is going on???? Is it really all down to coincidence or is there a definite and solid pattern here? Field? Trainers? Maybe nothing and really just an unfortunate coincidence, but the question needs to be asked. narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 21 hours ago, nolando said: https://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/article/kaye-downplaying-drama-aiming-for-fresh-start-with-canadian-mens-team/ We all know Herdman had his own and special way of picking and evaluating players/talent. Some guys thrived with him, while others withered. Only thing that was certain is there was very little chance of a way back in once you were brushed aside. nolando and Unnamed Trialist 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 YorkRegionFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 15 hours ago, costarg said: We all know Herdman had his own and special way of picking and evaluating players/talent. Some guys thrived with him, while others withered. Only thing that was certain is there was very little chance of a way back in once you were brushed aside. It's not like Kaye has really proven Herdman wrong. Then, in contrast, Fraser has shown Herdman choosing him to have been justified, even Brym has responded positively to his (for me doubtful) call ups. Kaye was a bit "toxic" as well, he blabbed about internal issues and put politicking ahead of play at times. The one player who deserved to get an appearance at the World Cup and didn't was Piette, that was unfair. PastPros, An Observer, Corazon and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SthMelbRed Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 17 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said: It's not like Kaye has really proven Herdman wrong. Then, in contrast, Fraser has shown Herdman choosing him to have been justified, even Brym has responded positively to his (for me doubtful) call ups. Kaye was a bit "toxic" as well, he blabbed about internal issues and put politicking ahead of play at times. The one player who deserved to get an appearance at the World Cup and didn't was Piette, that was unfair. And, he nearly fucked us out of the World Cup altogether in Costa Rica, 'cause he's a total bellend. Admiral Murray, Unnamed Trialist, HochelagaFC and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 1 hour ago, SthMelbRed said: And, he nearly fucked us out of the World Cup altogether in Costa Rica, 'cause he's a total bellend. Yes, that was a totally inexcusable selfish display and Herdman called him right back into the side, I thought his play for the CMNT was deteriorating quickly as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Glad to see us get the necessary win at home. I really wish Bernardeschi would have scored, both for his confidence and because it would have iced the game instead of leading to some nervous moments. An overall good performance by the defense and keeper. Last year's game nine was a loss to Philly to leave us at 9 points. With 13 points so far this year we are at +4 on the season. Corazon, Bison44 and jordan 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 On 4/21/2024 at 4:57 AM, Unnamed Trialist said: It's not like Kaye has really proven Herdman wrong. Then, in contrast, Fraser has shown Herdman choosing him to have been justified, even Brym has responded positively to his (for me doubtful) call ups. Kaye was a bit "toxic" as well, he blabbed about internal issues and put politicking ahead of play at times. The one player who deserved to get an appearance at the World Cup and didn't was Piette, that was unfair. Absolutely. Yet, devils advocate..... Look at Bair with his current coach and compare him to anything else we've seen from him at any team or age. Then look at how many guys in the brotherhood were playing way above expectations with Herdman in the early days. Adekugbe, Larin, Fraser, Miller..... Checkout Piette with several different coaches and then look at him under Herdman. Not the same player. Kaye's career is full of ups and downs depending on club situation and coach. A player knows and feels when a coach believes in him and it reflects in his play. Pretty sure what we were seeing towards the end was a result of a breakdown in their relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Interesting. Unnamed Trialist, YorkRegionFan and Corazon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkRegionFan Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Here is the full article. It is interesting that Laryea only has the DP tag this year to cover the cost of the transfer fee, next year he is just a TAM player. I wonder who they could move out. narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 I’d like to see Mailula moved on loan, waste of an international spot presently. YorkRegionFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Do we assume Osorio maybe asked for an extra year in exchange for dropping his yearly salary? He renegotiated at the end of 2022, is on contract to the end of 2025, with the club option. Add a year and that ensures him a contract into age 34. It would make sense. At a certain age, and maybe he is not there yet, you want continuity and not to be cut, that is what Atiba kept doing at Besiktas. YorkRegionFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkRegionFan Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 On J Molinaro's blog, he had this interesting tidbit. "Hernandez revealed that Toronto has not used its one buyout per season on Norwegian forward Adam Diomande, who was put on waivers in February. The club remains on the hook for his full contract and salary cap hit – he earned $585,000 US last season – until he signs with another team, either in MLS or from abroad, after he cleared waivers." narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 3 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said: Do we assume Osorio maybe asked for an extra year in exchange for dropping his yearly salary? He renegotiated at the end of 2022, is on contract to the end of 2025, with the club option. Add a year and that ensures him a contract into age 34. It would make sense. At a certain age, and maybe he is not there yet, you want continuity and not to be cut, that is what Atiba kept doing at Besiktas. I think Osorio was only a DP last year for MLS cap rule shenanigans though? I'm pretty sure he was at $1.5 million which is the maximum TAM amount. So he shouldn't need to take a pay cut to avoid being a DP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony7 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Kingston said: I think Osorio was only a DP last year for MLS cap rule shenanigans though? I'm pretty sure he was at $1.5 million which is the maximum TAM amount. So he shouldn't need to take a pay cut to avoid being a DP. He should take a massive pay cut out of respect for the club. I’m talking 50% or more. The guy is no where near worth that amount. That money should be paid to a true #10 that can be a difference maker. Edited April 22 by anthony7 longlugan, nfitz and gator 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) 16 hours ago, anthony7 said: He should take a massive pay cut out of respect for the club. I’m talking 50% or more. The guy is no where near worth that amount. That money should be paid to a true #10 that can be a difference maker. Sometimes salary corresponds to accumulated legacy. In fact, MLS salaries recognize this principle, so that continuity warrants more, and at a certain point, quite a bit more. Then, it has to be taken into account that for a few years Osorio was playing in the middle better than a guy making 6-7 million, think it was. So you compensate the excess disparity in MLS salaries, and earlier underpayment, by giving a guy a legacy contract. Everyone knows that unless he starts really playing sharp, when the contract expires 2025 he would normally be offered a lower salary, the club would not pick his option up at that salary level. Which is why I think he's agreed to an extension but at a reduction in pay. Edited April 23 by Unnamed Trialist Kingston 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony7 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, Unnamed Trialist said: Sometimes salary corresponds to accumulated legacy. In fact, MLS salaries recognize this principle, so that continuity warrants more, and at a certain point, quite a bit more. Then, it has to be taken into account that for a few years Osorio was playing in the middle better than a guy making 6-7 million, think it was. So you compensate the excess disparity in MLS salaries, and earlier underpayment, by giving a guy a legacy contract. Everyone knows that unless he starts really playing sharp, when the contract expires 2025 he would normally be offered a lower salary, the club would not pick his option up at that salary level. Which is why I think he's agreed to an extension but at a reduction in pay. Who was the guy making 6-7 million? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, anthony7 said: Who was the guy making 6-7 million? Michael Bradley Unnamed Trialist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) 49 minutes ago, narduch said: Michael Bradley They've already forgotten he was making the same as 15 guys on the roster combined? Doesn't seem logical to fret about Osorio's per diems when Bradley was pulling in those bucks. Edited April 23 by Unnamed Trialist narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony7 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) Bradley was not making 6-7 million when he became shit. He was making max TAM which is 1.6 million. My problem with Bradley is that he never took one for the team when we were trying to keep Benezet at the end of 2019. Bradley got all this applause when he took a pay cut in his last season when he was already on track to become the highest ever overall earner in MLS. Edited April 23 by anthony7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 2 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said: They've already forgotten he was making the same as 15 guys on the roster combined? Doesn't seem logical to fret about Osorio's per diems when Bradley was pulling in those bucks. Arefulcay ithway ethay adleybray alktay! You'll wake up the bears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Is this guy washed up? YorkRegionFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_M Posted April 24 Author Share Posted April 24 could or could not be...we'll see...2022 was his peak with 9 goals 6 assists for columbus...came up big for them when they won the cup in 2020 including scoring in the final...5th club in 10 seasons for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Etienne made US$676,250 last season, according to the MLS Players Association. But he will only count the senior minimum charge (US$89,716) against the Toronto salary cap with Atlanta covering half of his salary in 2026, according to a TFC spokesperson. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/toronto-fc-acquires-haiti-international-160808884.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw&tsrc=twtr&guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAK0PQlFx1tOFu4mrkOaWd65MPHpG75nUTwCQC1eVywhO-kcNsq-nhZ2OIpvLTmyhCg8iChNHeegMy-li72wny_mufAV1bxnkgcTIaHbcxJYpfbwf0olbuPwUT_0c30pG86JRt8rOzOiIpwVCb9CpcV7sZ5m5kpGMiHaUgS6_cr8o Kingston 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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