blueseeka Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 Still looking forward to the actual WC but damn. Hopefully Brazil are favorites and we get out of thw group stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted October 1, 2023 Author Share Posted October 1, 2023 (edited) From Brazil's POV: https://www.cbf.com.br/selecao-brasileira/jogos/selecao-base-masculina/selecao-sub-17-goleia-o-canada-em-itu-8?csrt=3984933900912566372 And the CSA's POV for both matches: https://canadasoccer.com/news/20230926-canada-m17-brazil/ https://canadasoccer.com/news/202310-01-canm17-canada-brazil/ Edited October 1, 2023 by Olympique_de_Marseille Ivan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 On 10/1/2023 at 9:14 AM, nolando said: This was our squad in January. Who are the impact players missing now in Brasil, I wonder? Everything I hear about Khan and Pop is that they would be stars here, but I'm not really sure. The photos of these guys look like they have just been booked for shoplifting or something Shway, nolando and johnyb 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoccMan Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 (edited) These are the sort of results we would have gotten back in the old days , you would think we would do better in 2023 with all the different pathways Canadian players now have to make it to the pro level . Back in the the day most of our players came up through the youth ranks coached by volunteers who were mainly a parent who had a kid on the team and at times had no real qualifications to coach . Now we have paid coaches with all these qualifications coaching our youth, all these different academies , 11 pro teams across the country , a decent pathway where players can see that if they stick to it they might have a chance to make it to even Europe. Moreover , they have Canadian players that have made it playing at good levels in Europe and even here in North America that they can look up to . Moreover , with technology what it is now they can access soccer as much as they want . Back in the day our youth players had none of that so these kind of scores were expected when playing the Brazil's of the world’s but today you would think we have closed the gap a bit , but when you see scores like this you wonder have we made any progress considering how different things are in youth soccer in this country compared to back in the day ? Edited October 2, 2023 by SoccMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic94 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 30 minutes ago, SoccMan said: These are the sort of results we would have gotten back in the old days , you would think we would do better in 2023 with all the different pathways Canadian players now have to make it to the pro level . Back in the the day most of our players came up through the youth ranks coached by volunteers who were mainly a parent who had a kid on the team and at times had no real qualifications to coach . Now we have paid coaches with all these qualifications coaching our youth, all these different academies , 11 pro teams across the country , a decent pathway where players can see that if they stick to it they might have a chance to make it to even Europe. Moreover , they have Canadian players that have made it playing at good levels in Europe and even here in North America that they can look up to . Moreover , with technology what it is now they can access soccer as much as they want . Back in the day our youth players had none of that so these kind of scores were expected when playing the Brazil's of the world’s but today you would think we have closed the gap a bit , but when you see scores like this you wonder have we made any progress considering how different things are in youth soccer in this country compared to back in the day ? Brazil’s kids have probably been training together on and off since 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Dominic94 said: Brazil’s kids have probably been training together on and off since 13 They haven't been training together. In fact this probably isn't even their best team. It's probably just players who haven't been identified yet so they're given the upportunity. It's a business in Brazil developing and selling players. So yah they're a good team but this isn't like some organized group of players development since youth by the CBF. The squad selection is probably heavily influenced by agents and politics etc. Nobody in Brazil thinks it's anybody but the clubs job to develop players. And on the flip side 5-0 isn't the end of the world considering the circumstances Northvansteve 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccerpro2 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, SoccMan said: These are the sort of results we would have gotten back in the old days , you would think we would do better in 2023 with all the different pathways Canadian players now have to make it to the pro level . Back in the the day most of our players came up through the youth ranks coached by volunteers who were mainly a parent who had a kid on the team and at times had no real qualifications to coach . Now we have paid coaches with all these qualifications coaching our youth, all these different academies , 11 pro teams across the country , a decent pathway where players can see that if they stick to it they might have a chance to make it to even Europe. Moreover , they have Canadian players that have made it playing at good levels in Europe and even here in North America that they can look up to . Moreover , with technology what it is now they can access soccer as much as they want . Back in the day our youth players had none of that so these kind of scores were expected when playing the Brazil's of the world’s but today you would think we have closed the gap a bit , but when you see scores like this you wonder have we made any progress considering how different things are in youth soccer in this country compared to back in the day ? While the soccer infrastructure may be (slowly) improving in Canada, it hasn’t stood still in other countries. It’s improving there, too. Is our infrastructure/development growing more rapidly than other countries? Not a chance. Edited October 2, 2023 by Soccerpro2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoppage Time Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 I find it shocking that the CSA coaches and scouts cannot seem to identify twenty - three 16 and 17 year olds to form a decent U-17 team. Maybe I am simply off base and sufficient such players just do not exist. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, SoccMan said: These are the sort of results we would have gotten back in the old days , you would think we would do better in 2023 with all the different pathways Canadian players now have to make it to the pro level . Back in the the day most of our players came up through the youth ranks coached by volunteers who were mainly a parent who had a kid on the team and at times had no real qualifications to coach . Now we have paid coaches with all these qualifications coaching our youth, all these different academies , 11 pro teams across the country , a decent pathway where players can see that if they stick to it they might have a chance to make it to even Europe. Moreover , they have Canadian players that have made it playing at good levels in Europe and even here in North America that they can look up to . Moreover , with technology what it is now they can access soccer as much as they want . Back in the day our youth players had none of that so these kind of scores were expected when playing the Brazil's of the world’s but today you would think we have closed the gap a bit , but when you see scores like this you wonder have we made any progress considering how different things are in youth soccer in this country compared to back in the day ? I think we need to put this into better context- having a bunch of kids fly to a brand new country and go play two away games with a new team is not an easy thing to do, especially not against arguably the best country in the world at producing young (and expensive) talent. I have no clue if this is Brazil's U17 A team or not, but looking at some of the players who have scored against Canada, they're pretty much all linked to some massive European club, many of them have already made senior team appearances in Brazil, you even have a kid who has scored for his senior club team. Elias has a $50M release clause and apparently Estevao's club has already turned down 40M from PSG for him. It's great that Tahid and Tavernier are playing in the CPL and Stefanovic had a cup of coffee with TFC, but none of that compares to the level that the average Brazilian player- let alone their best- has accomplished at that age. It's like Canada in junior hockey. Other countries like Germany or Switzerland have closed the gap in recent years but it's not like they're anywhere near our team. You take the best developped junior team in German history and put them up against even a Canadian B team and they still get washed, and 25 years from now, they'll still be getting washed. There's levels here. Edited October 2, 2023 by InglewoodJack Corazon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryker911 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 How new to soccer are the people upset about losing to Brazil in soccer? johnyb, Borjans Sweatpants, CanadaFan123 and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic94 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 5 hours ago, SpursFlu said: They haven't been training together. In fact this probably isn't even their best team. It's probably just players who haven't been identified yet so they're given the upportunity. It's a business in Brazil developing and selling players. So yah they're a good team but this isn't like some organized group of players development since youth by the CBF. The squad selection is probably heavily influenced by agents and politics etc. Nobody in Brazil thinks it's anybody but the clubs job to develop players. And on the flip side 5-0 isn't the end of the world considering the circumstances It’s literally been said this one of their better squads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Stryker911 said: How new to soccer are the people upset about losing to Brazil in soccer? Here’s a quick way to compare our teams: TJ Tahid and Thiago Coimbra roughly have the same numbers in the CPL- the former is probably the best U17 player we have and the latter was never even called in to a single Brazil youth team. Sure, Tahid is younger by almost 3 years, but this kid who were hoping becomes the CPL’s first young star and I guess my extension Canada’s next bright young phenom is putting up similar numbers to a kid who wasn’t even close to being on Brazil’s radar. Aird25 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted October 2, 2023 Author Share Posted October 2, 2023 We witnessed how our U17 squad compared with the US squad at the CONCACAF Championship. The USA will also play two friendlies against Brazil. Let's wait a week and see how well or poorly the USA squad does, just so we have a better benchmark. blueseeka and InglewoodJack 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycoyster Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 On 10/2/2023 at 5:58 PM, Olympique_de_Marseille said: We witnessed how our U17 squad compared with the US squad at the CONCACAF Championship. The USA will also play two friendlies against Brazil. Let's wait a week and see how well or poorly the USA squad does, just so we have a better benchmark. First game ended 0-0. YorkRegionFan, Corazon, blueseeka and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesF Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 On 10/5/2023 at 11:39 AM, harrycoyster said: First game ended 0-0. second game ended BRA 3-0 USA Olympique_de_Marseille and YorkRegionFan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borjans Sweatpants Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) On 9/18/2023 at 4:02 PM, phresh said: No De Guzman either Noticed this (from I think a poster here but I’m forgetting the name EDIT: It’s Xavier. I believe, shoutout to you!). Wonder if it was for the friendlies vs Brazil, or for the World Cup? If it was for the friendlies, maybe it’s sorted for the World Cup? Edited October 9, 2023 by Borjans Sweatpants Kadenge, johnyb, Jack1997 and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 ^^^^ His dad was born in Canada, so I assume it was just processing time for the passport. johnyb, Jack1997 and Borjans Sweatpants 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkRegionFan Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Has the backlog at the passport office cleared? I know earlier in the year everyone that was trying to get a passport had to wait a couple of months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, YorkRegionFan said: Has the backlog at the passport office cleared? I know earlier in the year everyone that was trying to get a passport had to wait a couple of months. It has in the GTA apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aird25 Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 On 10/2/2023 at 2:57 PM, InglewoodJack said: Here’s a quick way to compare our teams: TJ Tahid and Thiago Coimbra roughly have the same numbers in the CPL- the former is probably the best U17 player we have and the latter was never even called in to a single Brazil youth team. Sure, Tahid is younger by almost 3 years, but this kid who were hoping becomes the CPL’s first young star and I guess my extension Canada’s next bright young phenom is putting up similar numbers to a kid who wasn’t even close to being on Brazil’s radar. Sorry, but I think there might be a few better examples on the gulf in quality between Brazil and Canada than comparing the output of a 16 year old winger to a 19 year old striker phresh and Jack1997 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Aren't the Americans a final 8 shoe in every youth tournament nowadays as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoppage Time Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 I am guessing that Julian is encouraging the young de Guzman to suit up for Canada. YorkRegionFan, Jack1997 and Borjans Sweatpants 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markoaleks Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 For sure - especially if we see Jaden DG wearing a 100th anniversary Canada blue Umbro jacket ….. #deeppull Kadenge, sose, El Hombre and 3 others 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier. Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 8 hours ago, Borjans Sweatpants said: Noticed this (from I think a poster here but I’m forgetting the name EDIT: It’s Xavier. I believe, shoutout to you!). Wonder if it was for the friendlies vs Brazil, or for the World Cup? If it was for the friendlies, maybe it’s sorted for the World Cup? I don't have any information on if he will be at the World Cup u17 roster yet. One thing to remember though is the cap tying nature of the World Cup. The Brazil camp was not going to cap tie him to anything. Going to the World Cup will block him from future options. ray, Borjans Sweatpants and Jack1997 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borjans Sweatpants Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 13 minutes ago, Xavier. said: I don't have any information on if he will be at the World Cup u17 roster yet. One thing to remember though is the cap tying nature of the World Cup. The Brazil camp was not going to cap tie him to anything. Going to the World Cup will block him from future options. Safe to assume the u17 call up you were mentioning was for the Brazil friendlies then I guess? Xavier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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