InglewoodJack Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 To be fair to Herdman, it's not like he's alone in MLS as a head coach with very little previous experience. Montreal and Minnesota both have guys who have never coached higher than MLS NP. Wilfrid Nancy went from never having been the head coach of a professional team to being the near-consensus best manager in the league after two seasons. I think that a lot of what has made Herdman successful with Canada won't translate as well to managing a club, but Toronto Herdman's biggest quality IMO is that he's a builder, he's willing to spend time to slowly grow an organization the right way. I think he'll have at least two seasons to figure it out before he gets put in the hot seat. Toronto has just focused on these little quick fixes over the last few seasons that haven't worked- I think Herdman will want to do the opposite. If he can prioritize the young homegrown players, give them stable minutes and have them buy into the idea that you have a firm opportunity to prove yourself and get sold abroad (he clearly believes in players developing in Europe) while filling the gap with moneyball moves for players that want to play in Toronto, I think he'll get a lot out of his players and build something sustainable. Actually, as I type this, I realize his ideal gig would probably be coaching Montreal. No need to have to deal with overpaid DPs, have to squeeze every last bit of form and talent out of what little you have at your disposal, make incremental changes, prove yourself to a small but extremely passionate fanbase. johnyb and Cheeta 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Back to the CMNT....has there been ANY info re job postings or update as to what is going on? I have to think that the new GS would have at the very least instructed the CSA to conduct the search if they haven't already started one. Shway and cornerkick 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigandy Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 34 minutes ago, Kadenge said: Back to the CMNT....has there been ANY info re job postings or update as to what is going on? I have to think that the new GS would have at the very least instructed the CSA to conduct the search if they haven't already started one. My understanding is that CSA is utilizing an outside head hunting firm to compile a list of suitable coaching candidates. Im not sure what stage or if the process has even begun though. Kadenge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 23 hours ago, Shway said: Nothing wrong with that....as it's actual factual. Son that captain and dad the Head Coach is something you would see at U-11 soccer. I agree that there is nothing wrong with Holman. I do however see a bit of irony in blaming the coach (and surrounding conditions) for TFC’s failures, while blaming forces other than the coach when he was in charge of the Nats when they underperformed. grigorio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawafan Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 God I hope CSB is not involved in the search but it wouldn't surprise me in the least bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, Kadenge said: Back to the CMNT....has there been ANY info re job postings or update as to what is going on? I have to think that the new GS would have at the very least instructed the CSA to conduct the search if they haven't already started one. Whoa, slow down there big guy! One thing at a time! First step is getting the bespoke tailored suit. Then the work can start. Wouldn't look professional otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, Kadenge said: Back to the CMNT....has there been ANY info re job postings or update as to what is going on? I have to think that the new GS would have at the very least instructed the CSA to conduct the search if they haven't already started one. She hasn't taken up her post yet, I think she starts next week. It is all excruciatingly slow and no one has any sense of urgency. cornerkick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 38 minutes ago, Ottawafan said: God I hope CSB is not involved in the search but it wouldn't surprise me in the least bit. Why would they be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigandy Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 48 minutes ago, Ottawafan said: God I hope CSB is not involved in the search but it wouldn't surprise me in the least bit. troll post.... This is just anti CSB nonsense. In no world does a marketing company decide on another organizations hiring. RichV and Admiral Murray 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawafan Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 7 minutes ago, Bigandy said: troll post.... This is just anti CSB nonsense. In no world does a marketing company decide on another organizations hiring. If that is all you think they are, just a marketing company, you are welcome to believe what you'd like. They have had an extremely close relationship with the heads of Canadian soccer; fingers crossed they will not be included with a new regime. Guess we will find out. Nothing surprises me with this game anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigandy Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 44 minutes ago, Ottawafan said: If that is all you think they are, just a marketing company, you are welcome to believe what you'd like. They have had an extremely close relationship with the heads of Canadian soccer; fingers crossed they will not be included with a new regime. Guess we will find out. Nothing surprises me with this game anymore. tin foil hat time? Im sure you have been close to other people, whether its friends or business colleagues. That doesnt mean you get to decide which house your friends buy or the salary of your colleague. Trolling at its finest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckgbp Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 I hope it’s not similar to their “extensive global recruitment process” that resulted in Earl Cochrane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawafan Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 20 minutes ago, Bigandy said: tin foil hat time? Im sure you have been close to other people, whether its friends or business colleagues. That doesnt mean you get to decide which house your friends buy or the salary of your colleague. Trolling at its finest. If you say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigandy Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, canuckgbp said: I hope it’s not similar to their “extensive global recruitment process” that resulted in Earl Cochrane. I hope so too. My hope is that the 70 applications for general secretary were unqualified where as the head coach search should attract someone better than biello..... i hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 9 hours ago, Kadenge said: Back to the CMNT....has there been ANY info re job postings or update as to what is going on? I have to think that the new GS would have at the very least instructed the CSA to conduct the search if they haven't already started one. The panel on One Soccer must be on this forum lol....ask and you shall receive Not looking good guys .... narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themodelcitizen Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Have to think they're focusing on the March game and maybe into Copa America with Biello before pretending to conduct an extensive search and then promoting him regardless of results Shway and canadave 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 29 minutes ago, themodelcitizen said: Have to think they're focusing on the March game and maybe into Copa America with Biello before pretending to conduct an extensive search and then promoting him regardless of results Well let's not get ahead of ourselves. The March game is a given. No one knows where they are at other than the CSA. That seems for sure. They could have a list of names assembled and it's a case of waiting for the new hire to get her feet under the table next week to move forward. I think it is also almost dangerous to put a new coach in place ahead of March that will have a new philosophy and potential systems to load players up with. I'm not complaining if they act fast and hire someone in February. It's possible. March probably makes sense. Likely more interesting options in May too. Maybe we aren't camp poutining because we know an extended camp with the new coach will be needed this year. Ok, that was a step too far and I broke the optimism meter. The fib-ulator alarm is going off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SthMelbRed Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 On 1/17/2024 at 4:13 AM, Shway said: Nothing wrong with that....as it's actual factual. Son that captain and dad the Head Coach is something you would see at U-11 soccer. Wasn't their best tournament ever, but losing on penalties to the host, and eventual Champions, at France '98 wasn't exactly a disaster for Italy. johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawafan Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 10 hours ago, toontownman said: Well let's not get ahead of ourselves. The March game is a given. No one knows where they are at other than the CSA. That seems for sure. They could have a list of names assembled and it's a case of waiting for the new hire to get her feet under the table next week to move forward. I think it is also almost dangerous to put a new coach in place ahead of March that will have a new philosophy and potential systems to load players up with. I'm not complaining if they act fast and hire someone in February. It's possible. March probably makes sense. Likely more interesting options in May too. Maybe we aren't camp poutining because we know an extended camp with the new coach will be needed this year. Ok, that was a step too far and I broke the optimism meter. The fib-ulator alarm is going off Devils advocate... would it not be better to get a new coach in place b4 the game against T&T? You don't have to make monumental shifts in coaching/philosophy/player selection for that game. Assuming you have all your regulars available, Canada should be strong enough to win that game regardless. The more minutes a new coach has with his squad leading into Copa the better. Ivan, xabuep2, Kent and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdheid Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 On 1/17/2024 at 6:57 AM, Ally McCoist said: The Amazon "All or Nothing" series would be spectacular! To see him operate within the bizarro world of CONCACAF would be must see tv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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blueseeka Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) On 12/7/2023 at 12:09 AM, blueseeka said: It's been so quiet since Jamaica. I think we know how this ends Congratulations Mauro On 9/20/2023 at 4:01 PM, blueseeka said: I am not sure that i care for a motivated Biello. Wish him the best but this should not be the choice going into huge games in November. This just strikes me as more CSA moving the goal post. A little Lucy and Charlie Brown action. 1st step - random posts about how money very likely will not be concern when hiring the next coach. Could be a decent size name with at least CONCACAF experience 2nd step - float ideas of interviewing lower paid head coaches like Bobby (i cant spell his last name, even though I am Greek) 3rd step - announce the temporary hire of Biello to guide them through hugely important November game 4th Step - PRAY PRAY PRAY, that they get past an inferior team to make it to Copa 5th Step - Announce that they have been impressed with Biello's guidance through these tough games and announce him the new head coach 6th - pay him 5% higher than his assistant coach job Here we go again boys On 9/20/2023 at 4:26 PM, blueseeka said: Lol...this is the problem. We are supposed to beat teams like T&T, Cuba, Panama and Jamaica. The problem is we are not improving and will not with coaching at that level. If he wants to be a head coach, great. But not at the MNT level. You don't learn at the MNT level. The only Head coaching work i see, is two years with the Montreal Impact 2015-2017) and the U20 last year. The U20 performances wasn't good. This is who you want. We all poop on players deciding not to play for Canada. But why in the world would they unless they had no other option like Hiebert, Zator or Loturi. Flores, Mitrovic and Morris will always chose to stay away. This hire just says we aren't serious about winning at the highest level Shocking development today And we didn't even beat Jamaica. T&T next Congratulations Mauro. Hopefully you prove me wrong But this is again very underwhelming Edited January 19 by blueseeka NVsoccer, Ivan, Kadenge and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 I am fine with the Biello extension. Let's go with stability. If it all goes wrong then the CSA will be very quick to say: Shway, MtlMario, Obinna and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 @blueseeka I wanted to react "Like, Thanks, Laugh, Sad, and Confuse" to your post. The reality is, I don't think anyone is surprised. We qualify and his contract is extended for the Copa America. However we do there, will determine his tag from going from Interim to Official. We don't qualify, and then there's absolutely nothing to play for. No friendlies will be scheduled and the coach search continues. Ivan, Obinna and costarg 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnyb Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 4 minutes ago, Shway said: @blueseeka I wanted to react "Like, Thanks, Laugh, Sad, and Confuse" to your post. The reality is, I don't think anyone is surprised. We qualify and his contract is extended for the Copa America. However we do there, will determine his tag from going from Interim to Official. We don't qualify, and then there's absolutely nothing to play for. No friendlies will be scheduled and the coach search continues. Not surprised as others mentioned, but I would like to think that even if we qualify for COPA that he could still be replaced in time for the Tournament. Watchmen, Ivan, Ottawafan and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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