Olympique_de_Marseille Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 (edited) Gold Cup, Group Stage Match #3 Canada vs Cuba Tuesday, July 4 2023 6:30pm Eastern / 3:30pm Pacific Shell Energy Stadium, Houston, Texas, USA Broadcast in Canada: ONESOCCER (live - online) Canada's roster:https://canadasoccer.com/news/canada-announce-squad-for-the-2023-concacaf-gold-cup/ Since the roster was announced, Adekugbe and Eustáquio have been replaced by Fraser and Nelson Canadian players who have played all possible minutes in the previous two matches: Kamal Millar Jonathan Osorio Milan Borjan (GK) Canadian players who have yet to play a single minute in this Gold Cup: Scott Kennedy Victor Loturi Jayden Nelson Dayne St. Clair (GK) Tom McGill (GK) No Canadian players are suspended but the following Canadian player are on a caution:🟨 Moïse Bombito🟨 Lucas Cavallini🟨 Liam Fraser🟨 Zac McGraw🟨 Kamal Miller🟨 Jacob Shaffelburg🟨 Steven Vitória Cuban players that will be unavailable:🟨🟨 Carlos Vázquez (centre-back)🟥 Aldair Ruiz (forward) Roberney Caballero (midfielder) "defection"Jassael Herrera (defender) "defection"Denilson Milanés (midfielder) "defection"Neisser Sandó (midfielder) "defection" The defection of Milanés is peculiar as he is listed as playing in Costa Rica, whereas the other three are based in Cuba and would be more logical candidates for defection. The ref: The Costa Rican Keylor Antonio Herrera Villalobos He was our ref during the WCQ match in Kingston, Jamaicahttps://twitter.com/desigarbitrales/status/1675330903604690945 The weather: Partly cloudy and ~32°C. No significant rainfall expected. Scenarios: There is a more detailed post below. We need to beat Cuba. A win by just a goal and we are through in almost all cases except if Guadeloupe and Guatemala play to a draw where it is 2-2 or higher scoring ( 3-3 , 4-4, etc...) Edited July 3, 2023 by Olympique_de_Marseille narduch, footballfreak, Canuckia and 7 others 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trc2014 Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 Also of note that Hoilett might be hurt. Corazon, grigorio and Borjans Sweatpants 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addona Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 A 5:30pm local time start in Houston… that concerns me more than anything after how lethargic we looked last night footballfreak, johnyb and trc2014 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 SMH...they are going to either lose or draw even though we should win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 15 minutes ago, TGAA_Star said: SMH...they are going to either lose or draw even though we should win If they prove you wrong will you mute the BS negativity for a while? gator, Corazon, NVsoccer and 11 others 6 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigi riva Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 I am not really all that concerned with this tournament where I think Herdmann is using this as glorified Freindlies , We hve noticed the emergence of guys like Ahmed amd Bombito, ( I think Chioniere of Montreal should have gotten a call) I would rather crash out now then in 2026 . But I agree with some they should be playing a bit better johnyb, Addona, Corazon and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 35 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said: If they prove you wrong will you mute the BS negativity for a while? I will but they haven't done anything to wow me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floortom Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 As negative as I am about our GC squad, I would be shocked if we didnt win by 2+ against Cuba. It's a horrendous roster that has been decimated by defections and suspensions. There's just no way we shouldnt win by 4+ goals IMO. Jack1997, MtlMario, Canuckia and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 I'm hoping after the last 2 games none of our players decide to defect Kadenge, rkomar, MtlMario and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 1 hour ago, TGAA_Star said: I will but they haven't done anything to wow me Right back at ya. Olympique_de_Marseille and Strait Red 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 2 hours ago, gigi riva said: I am not really all that concerned with this tournament where I think Herdmann is using this as glorified Freindlies , We hve noticed the emergence of guys like Ahmed amd Bombito, ( I think Chioniere of Montreal should have gotten a call) I would rather crash out now then in 2026 . But I agree with some they should be playing a bit better It’s not 2026 we are only preparing for but 2024 Copa America. footballfreak 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footballfreak Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 Pie in the sky time: If we win by 4 and the other game ends in a draw, we take the group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trc2014 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 10 minutes ago, footballfreak said: Pie in the sky time: If we win by 4 and the other game ends in a draw, we take the group. Worst case IMO as US will likely finish first and we would have to play Jamaica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footballfreak Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, trc2014 said: Worst case IMO as US will likely finish first and we would have to play Jamaica. Jamaica, for all their talent, just mustered 4 shots in a half against St. Kitts & Nevis. We would not be favourites against either side, but Jamaica seem easier to break mentally. They also wouldn’t have a home crowd at their back. Addona, Floortom, king1010 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornerkick Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 3 hours ago, Floortom said: As negative as I am about our GC squad, I would be shocked if we didnt win by 2+ against Cuba. It's a horrendous roster that has been decimated by defections and suspensions. There's just no way we shouldnt win by 4+ goals IMO. yeah, Cuba has been poor and is dealing with off the field issues. With a bit of luck, even another mediocre performance by Canada could still lead to a lopsided result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckia Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 34 minutes ago, footballfreak said: Pie in the sky time: If we win by 4 and the other game ends in a draw, we take the group. I like it! Finish strong and then take on whatever challenge comes next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 31 minutes ago, trc2014 said: Worst case IMO as US will likely finish first and we would have to play Jamaica. I would rather play Jamaica than the US (who are currently up 4-0). johnyb and Floortom 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grigorio Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 52 minutes ago, trc2014 said: Worst case IMO as US will likely finish first and we would have to play Jamaica. Pretty sure we’d get absolutely rocked by either so not sure that it matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addona Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 This is tricky but I might rest Vitoria for this one and save him for the QF, since he’s sitting on a yellow trc2014, johnyb and narduch 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted July 3, 2023 Author Share Posted July 3, 2023 (edited) Scenarios Cuba cannot advance even if they win; they are playing for pride. A loss to Cuba would mean Canada is eliminatedA draw against Cuba would mean Canada is eliminated If Guatemala beat Guadeloupe (by any scoreline) and Canada beat Cuba (by any scoreline), Canada will advance as 2nd in Group D and therefore face the USA in the quarterfinals. If Guadeloupe beat Guatemala (by any scoreline) and Canada beat Cuba (by any scoreline), Canada will advance as 2nd in Group D and therefore face the USA in the quarterfinals. If Guadeloupe and Guatemala play to a draw (any scoreline) and Canada beat Cuba by four or more goals, Canada will advance as 1st in Group D and therefore face the Jamaica in the quarterfinals. If Guadeloupe and Guatemala play to a draw (any scoreline) and Canada beat Cuba by two goals or by three goals, Canada will advance as 2nd in Group D and therefore face the USA in the quarterfinals. If Guadeloupe and Guatemala play to a nil-nil draw or 1-1 draw and Canada beat Cuba by just a single goal, Canada will advance (on tiebreaks) as 2nd in Group D and therefore face the USA in the quarterfinals. If Guadeloupe and Guatemala play to a 2-2 draw, 3-3 draw, 4-4 draw (or any other draw that is higher scoring), and Canada beat Cuba by just a single goal, tiebreaks against Guatemala will determine if we advance as 2nd in Group D or are eliminated as 3rd in Group D. The first relevant tiebreak would be goals scored and the 2nd relevant tiebreak would be disciplinary (so far, Guatemala have 4 yellow cards and we have 7 yellow cards). Therefore, the higher scoring the draw, the more precarious the situation would be for Canada. Did I write this all out correctly? Edited July 3, 2023 by Olympique_de_Marseille king1010, Corazon, Joe Keeper and 9 others 6 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kacbru Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 Remember when we beat Jamaica 4-0 to qualify for the World Cup less than a year and a half ago? Who would've thought we'd be back to this: to map out all the potential scenarios to avoid elimination at the group stage after two games of the Gold Cup? A group with Guadeloupe, Guatemala and Cuba of all things. What a time to be alive! NVsoccer, johnyb, GasPed and 7 others 4 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sose Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 15 minutes ago, kacbru said: Remember when we beat Jamaica 4-0 to qualify for the World Cup less than a year and a half ago? Who would've thought we'd be back to this: to map out all the potential scenarios to avoid elimination at the group stage after two games of the Gold Cup? A group with Guadeloupe, Guatemala and Cuba of all things. What a time to be alive! in fairness this is a stronger JA side than they fielded in WCQ SirBobsaget, Corazon, Shway and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigi riva Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 5 hours ago, Shway said: It’s not 2026 we are only preparing for but 2024 Copa America. oh shit I forgot about Copa America Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBobsaget Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, kacbru said: Remember when we beat Jamaica 4-0 to qualify for the World Cup less than a year and a half ago? Who would've thought we'd be back to this: to map out all the potential scenarios to avoid elimination at the group stage after two games of the Gold Cup? A group with Guadeloupe, Guatemala and Cuba of all things. What a time to be alive! That was Blake, Morrison and Jamaican league players. Their gold cup roster has Gray, Reid, Antonio, Rid and a bunch more Euro based and MLS starters. They are on paper better than Canada Edited July 3, 2023 by SirBobsaget Corazon, king1010 and Shway 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kacbru Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, SirBobsaget said: That was Blake, Morrison and Jamaican league players. Their gold cup roster has Gray, Reid, Antonio, Rid and a bunch more Euro based and MLS starters. They are on paper better than Canada The point I was trying to make has nothing to do with Jamaica. It is that I (many of us?) was giddy with excitement - we were returning to the WC, we were entering a new era. Instead, here we are, a very short time later, doing exactly what we normally do in the Gold Cup - agonize over the results we need just to escape from our group. My point also has nothing to do with missing CMNT players, whether this is a B, C or D Canada team. It is the fact that this Gold Cup experience as a fan is much more similar to my previous experiences than I ever could have possibly imagined when we were pumping Jamaica for goals and celebrating going to the WC just last year. Edited July 3, 2023 by kacbru grammar Obinna, Kadenge, Shway and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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