CSA Elections May 2023

[Big_M]

is labbe not working for the person who was the owner of the whitecaps at the time of the alleged coverup of birarda?

[Soccerpro2]

36 minutes ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

Doubt this ends happily ever after any time soon:

 

"Labbe called her a liar and broke down in tears".

Sounds like Labbe could benefit from seeing a mental health professional. 

[DoyleG]

52 minutes ago, Big_M said:

is labbe not working for the person who was the owner of the whitecaps at the time of the alleged coverup of birarda?

Facts are not allowed to be discussed here.

Too many "supporters" of the players get triggered.

Edited May 6, 2023 by DoyleG

[Ozzie_the_parrot]

Meanwhile Project 8 have been sanctioned and will have to be given equal status in terms of the voting structure with CanPL even if they didn't receive that this time or there will be more scope for Ottawa politicians to hold hearings. They are talking about giving a more equitable voice to the national team players:

If that actually happens maybe some good came out of this weekend but the tricky part is getting the provincial associations to relinquish their strangehold over the CSA's voting structure.

[Ozzie_the_parrot]

This also sounds like a positive change:

That means that next time a better candidate than Rob Newman can be nominated on a reform platform.

Edited May 6, 2023 by Ozzie_the_parrot

[narduch]

Basically setting it up for Dino Rossi to win in a year

[Meepmeep]

On 5/4/2023 at 9:47 PM, Ansem said:

Leagues, pro clubs 

MLS 6 votes

CPL 15 votes

This to me shows everything you need to know about where one soccer stands.

 
The fact that they try and hide that the fact CSB gets 15!!! Votes is telling.  
 

I hope this (the CSB getting a disproportionate amount of votes) gets rectified before the next election.  It’s a joke. 

[narduch]

22 minutes ago, Meepmeep said:

This to me shows everything you need to know about where one soccer stands.

 
The fact that they try and hide that the fact CSB gets 15!!! Votes is telling.  
 

I hope this (the CSB getting a disproportionate amount of votes) gets rectified before the next election.  It’s a joke. 

They should get 16 votes if MLS gets 6

[Meepmeep]

That’s non responsive 

 

why would the CSB get the largest number of votes?

So we’ve handed them all the sponsorship money AND they get the most number of votes. 15 times more than the players. 1.5 times more than Ontario and Quebec.   Ridiculous.  
 

Also telling that one soccer tries to hide this fact by bundling their 15 votes with mls.  

[Aird25]

8 minutes ago, Meepmeep said:

That’s non responsive 

 

why would the CSB get the largest number of votes?

So we’ve handed them all the sponsorship money AND they get the most number of votes. 15 times more than the players. 1.5 times more than Ontario and Quebec.   Ridiculous.  
 

Also telling that one soccer tries to hide this fact by bundling their 15 votes with mls.  

Do MLS votes and CPL votes all get bundled together, or is it votes per club?

[red card]

4 hours ago, Aird25 said:

Do MLS votes and CPL votes all get bundled together, or is it votes per club?

It's 2 votes per MLS club. 15 for CPL but from all reporting I have read, the breakdown per club and league wasn't noted. It could be 1.5 per club and 3 for CPL as a league.

So, OneSoccer's reporting of it is in line with Canadian Press reporting.

De Guzman first former/current player to put some onus on the players. It is a huge jump for players to go from the pitch to the boardroom. Players need better preparation and understanding of what's happening to have a voice. You can't expect the Atiba's & Beckie's of the world to understand what is happening behind the scenes.

Canada Soccer needs to be better but so do the players. It hasn't been easy for the players to continually fight a fight that they may not know what the fight is. 

https://www.tsn.ca/soccer/video/~2677384

 

Edited May 7, 2023 by red card

[Kent]

On 5/4/2023 at 10:04 PM, SF said:

The CSB, through the deal with the CSA, owns the branding rights to all national programs including the women.

The deal is, further, a de facto subsidy of the CPL from the CSA.

So, the CSA sold rights for the womens program to pay for a mens league.

Apologies if this has already been mentioned 100 times, I'm not caught up on the thread. But was the CSA giving IMG a de facto subsidy when they were selling the same rights to IMG for 1 million dollars a year instead of 3 to 4 million from CSB?

[gigi riva]

10 hours ago, narduch said:

Basically setting it up for Dino Rossi to win in a year

All the work Dino Rossi has done he should be the next CSA president

[Ozzie_the_parrot]

On 5/6/2023 at 12:16 AM, red card said:

...In terms of a Canadian women's league, it has to be said that pre-2018, there was only 1 fully professional league in the world at that time... 

And, so what? In terms of player registration there are professional players and amateur players. The distinction you are trying to make between fully and semi-pro is a red herring in terms of what can be sanctioned as a D1 professional league by a national association that is part of FIFA.

2 hours ago, gigi riva said:

All the work Dino Rossi has done he should be the next CSA president

That may or may not be true, but he didn't need a rule change to be eligible to stand next year:

 

There was talk of the rule change being made to allow him to run in this year's election for the one year term remaining on Nick Bontis's mandate but Charmaine Crooks wound up being the establishment candidate instead.

 

Edited May 7, 2023 by Ozzie_the_parrot

[Ottawafan]

Having Crooks lead the CSA for one year isn’t a bad thing. She may very well have a plan to put in place that will benefit all the stakeholders and ease everyone’s mind. Hopefully the CSA can put distance behind their attempt to break the NT players and look after only a select few beneficiaries. Honestly don’t have a lot of faith but one never knows. 

[Ozzie_the_parrot]

There are some indications that pressure from Ottawa is forcing them to do things they probably would not have done otherwise. I seriously doubt Project 8 would have been sanctioned otherwise because it is likely to cancel out CanPL/CSB on voting at CSA AGMs in the years ahead. CanPL's posture has always been that they are working on a women's league, so Bob Young & Co were almost certainly expecting to have control of how that would unfold between 2018 and 2037.

Edited May 7, 2023 by Ozzie_the_parrot

[Bison44]

So the the womans league only got sanctioned because of pressure from ottawa? You better tighten the chin strap on that tinfoil hat.  WHo the hell is going to stand in the way of something like that?  Good luck to them, could be good for everyone.  Venue sharing with existing pro teams would make a lot of sense Attco field, Starlight, Wanders ground could be nice homes for the Project 8 teams down the road.  We need to start working together instead of spitting venom and trying to tear each other down in canada.  And why wouldnt they have the similar CSA votes.  Once they get off the ground, get their 6-8 teams and start playing they should get the same amount of votes CPL or MLS are getting.  But we'll see if that pans out, and whether its the "boogeyman" CPL/CSB contingent or the provinces, or even MLS that dont want to lose their share of the votes.  

[canuckgbp]

Maybe this needs its own thread…. But Show Me the Money!

 

[Bigandy]

On 5/6/2023 at 10:58 AM, Ottawafan said:

If you ( the CSA ) don't trust yourself to do the job or hire the right personnel, how would the players be able to have confidence in your direction or decisions?

 

I dont trust Davies to play GK. How can we have any confidence that he can be a Left back for Canada??


Seriously though, the biggest and most succusful business models in the world include outsourcing non core competencies. Why would we want to take on all the risk and management of a marketing operation when we barely have the resources to run the soccer side of things. Outsourcing makes so much more sense. 

Would you stop going to your dentist if you found out he hired an outside marketing company? would you sell your home when you find out that the contractor hired an outside realtor to sell it to you? 

This is honestly the worst justification to criticize the CSA.  

[Ottawafan]

45 minutes ago, Bigandy said:

I dont trust Davies to play GK. How can we have any confidence that he can be a Left back for Canada??


Seriously though, the biggest and most succusful business models in the world include outsourcing non core competencies. Why would we want to take on all the risk and management of a marketing operation when we barely have the resources to run the soccer side of things. Outsourcing makes so much more sense. 

Would you stop going to your dentist if you found out he hired an outside marketing company? would you sell your home when you find out that the contractor hired an outside realtor to sell it to you? 

This is honestly the worst justification to criticize the CSA.  

You are right.  Incompetent associations shouldn't strive to improve internally and bring in the experienced personnel to  grow "the business".  Best to farm it out and admit your deficiencies so you can focus on areas you do excel in.  

[Bigandy]

On 5/5/2023 at 1:45 PM, SF said:

The CSA is in the middle of a financial crisis. Which, I think, is due to them not anticipating an increase in cost for players and programs in light of success.

Most businesses are spread based - if your revenues are fixed and your costs are flexible, you have an ALM mismatch that can be fatal. Or, to be fair, very lucrative.

In this instance the CSA traded away the floating revenue for a fixed revenue and retained the floating cost base. 

At its essence, this is no different than Silicon Valley Bank - the CSA (like most businesses) has duration risk and they mismanaged it.

That's why the CSB deal was badly mispriced. Its not the absolute amount of revenue they earned in the transaction - it's the relationship of that revenue to the expense side of the business.

Have you reviewed any financial statements? 

revenues (total - 33.4 million 2021)
Player fees
commercial fees - 18m of which 4million is the CSB deal 
government grants
fifa Grants
Fifa world cup 2026 revenue 

this means that 4million/33.4million = 12% of revenues are fixed fees. However, prior to the CSB deal, the annual revenues were pretty much fixed at 1million because no one wanted to sponsor canada. We also used to have a fixed expense of spending 1million to televise national team games. We now no longer have that. 

To assess a 12% fixed revenue stream that is 4x higher than the variable revenue stream as the issue for CSA's financial crisis, is just incorrect. 

Your argument sounds nice until you actually look into the financials and realize that your assessment is not based on the actual data. 

The main issue for the financial crisis is Covid, a grueling qualifying campaign for the mens team, and the players demanding pretty much all of the WC bonus that would normally be used to offset the costs of the qualifying campaign. 

[Bigandy]

4 minutes ago, Ottawafan said:

You are right.  Incompetent associations shouldn't strive to improve internally and bring in the experienced personnel to  grow "the business".  Best to farm it out and admit your deficiencies so you can focus on areas you do excel in.  

It has nothing to do with incompetent or competent. Outsourcing is done by literally every single company ever. 
It is not a deficiency to not have someone like a lawyer, marketing team, accountant team, etc on staff. To suggest its a deficiency to outsource just shows your bias against the CSA. 

Why are you so unfair towards them. They have their flaws but come on man, be fair in your criticism. Stop trying to turn every single decision the CSA makes into some weird justification that they are incompetent.  Criticize them where they actually deserve to be criticized. 

 

[SF]

33 minutes ago, Bigandy said:

Have you reviewed any financial statements? 

revenues (total - 33.4 million 2021)
Player fees
commercial fees - 18m of which 4million is the CSB deal 
government grants
fifa Grants
Fifa world cup 2026 revenue 

this means that 4million/33.4million = 12% of revenues are fixed fees. However, prior to the CSB deal, the annual revenues were pretty much fixed at 1million because no one wanted to sponsor canada. We also used to have a fixed expense of spending 1million to televise national team games. We now no longer have that. 

To assess a 12% fixed revenue stream that is 4x higher than the variable revenue stream as the issue for CSA's financial crisis, is just incorrect. 

Your argument sounds nice until you actually look into the financials and realize that your assessment is not based on the actual data. 

The main issue for the financial crisis is Covid, a grueling qualifying campaign for the mens team, and the players demanding pretty much all of the WC bonus that would normally be used to offset the costs of the qualifying campaign. 

The increase in costs is due to, in effect, the success experiences at the national team level. More games, more travel, etc.. and, very predictably, more requests for pay increases from the players delivering the success. For sure COVID complicated this as well.

In most operations there would be a chance to monetize this success through broadcast revenues, merchandizing revenues, etc.  This would offset the aforementioned costs and, ideally, widen profit margins.

The issue here, is this revenue stream was traded away for a fixed amount of revenue and the cost side was left to increase (I haven't even mentioned the fact that the players were playing without a contract, which is truly incredible and could have gone a considerable way to managing costs...and COVID was irrelevant here).

But, don't take my word for it - just look at the fact that the CSA is cutting programs AFTER enjoying it's greatest run of success in both the mens and womens programs.  Doesn't usually work that way.

[Ozzie_the_parrot]

This isn't rocket science and I suspect most people reading these posts do actually grasp this but some people on here see it as their patriotic duty to defend the CSA no matter what. Will be interesting to see what happens with Charmaine Crooks' appearance before the Heritage Committee on Thursday. Will she try to defend what happened in the past to keep Victor Montagliani & Co happy or, now that she's got the top job, will she feel able to distance herself from it and talk about plans for meaningful reform?  Suspect it will be the former but sometimes the carefully selected protege goes rogue like with Vladimir Putin where Russin oligarchs were concerned post-Boris Yeltsin.

Edited May 8, 2023 by Ozzie_the_parrot

[Ansem]

1 hour ago, SF said:

In most operations there would be a chance to monetize this success through broadcast revenues, merchandizing revenues, etc.  This would offset the aforementioned costs and, ideally, widen profit margins.

The issue here, is this revenue stream was traded away for a fixed amount of revenue and the cost side was left to increase (I haven't even mentioned the fact that the players were playing without a contract, which is truly incredible and could have gone a considerable way to managing costs...and COVID was irrelevant here).

But, don't take my word for it - just look at the fact that the CSA is cutting programs AFTER enjoying it's greatest run of success in both the mens and womens programs.  Doesn't usually work that way.

Jesus, how many time do you need to be told that the CSA does not have the expertise or the staff to maximize those marketing revenues? When they were in control of those they failed miserably at doing anything with them. It's not like the WNT didn't have success when CSB was not around and what did they do with them?? NADA - NOTHING. The Nike deal and paying to be on TV???

Outsourcing was the right call. You'd make a better case on criticizing neglecting that side of their business for years instead of relentlessly attacking their decision to outsource when all the evidence points to them making more money than before.

You'd also make a better case at questioning some of the terms of the contract like the length and their inability to get shares of CSB 

All you're doing is displaying your anti CSB bias over and over again - it's exhausting to read

Edited May 8, 2023 by Ansem