Watchmen Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 1 minute ago, PegCityCam said: Fair enough. Canada and the US the only ones sticking the Nation's League though right? Well, only 4 teams participated immediately before this tournament. I think Mexico went hard because they've been embarrassed recently and had something to prove. Panama went hard because they viewed it (rightly) as a golden opportunity to win something and came up just short. Kent and Kadenge 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauditYvon Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Was a fun tournament. Really looking to GC 2025. If Costa Rica can solve their coaching problems and Jamaica can hold and attract more duals, we have a strong top 6. Group stage reminds kind of irrelevant but quarters are gonna be real football. PastPros, PegCityCam and Kent 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadeau Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Eustaquio and Johnston in the squad and wed have won this thing. johnyb, h coach, Ruud and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBobsaget Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 42 minutes ago, Cadeau said: Eustaquio and Johnston in the squad and wed have won this thing. Mexico and Panama brought their A squads while Canada brought everyone except their elite players and USA a C squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauditYvon Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 1 minute ago, SirBobsaget said: Canada brought everyone except their elite players Honestly our real B squad should have feature Choinière Arfield and Ugbo instead of Fraser Wotherspoon and Brym (+ Cornelius). narduch and grigorio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PegCityCam Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 47 minutes ago, Cadeau said: Eustaquio and Johnston in the squad and wed have won this thing. I still think it was a missed opportunity. A chance for a few of our off-season boys to step up and lead this team. We're supposed to be gearing up (yeah i know 3 years away whatever) for a World Freaking Cup on home soil. Fuck rest...many of these guys who showed up are mid-season ffs. Old and banged up dudes like Osorio, Vitoria and Borjan are the only guys who need any real rest. I dunno, I'm just pissed with all this talk about trophies, the rise of Canada soccer and the FUCKING WORLD CUP coming that I see this atmosphere tonight and I'm like, big L for Canada. Missed a chance for a trophy, missed a chance for some good and pressure filled comp and missed chance to get Canadians amped about the future...god knows we need the distraction rn. Anyways, just a rant. gator, Cadeau, Cheeta and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBobsaget Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, PegCityCam said: I still think it was a missed opportunity. A chance for a few of our off-season boys to step up and lead this team. We're supposed to be gearing up (yeah i know 3 years away whatever) for a World Freaking Cup on home soil. Fuck rest...many of these guys who showed up are mid-season ffs. Old and banged up dudes like Osorio, Vitoria and Borjan are the only guys who need any real rest. I dunno, I'm just pissed with all this talk about trophies, the rise of Canada soccer and the FUCKING WORLD CUP coming that I see this atmosphere tonight and I'm like, big L for Canada. Missed a chance for a trophy, missed a chance for some good and pressure filled comp and missed chance to get Canadians amped about the future...god knows we need the distraction rn. Anyways, just a rant. I'm not sure but did squad announcements happen after nations league? Did USA get their trophy then throw in the towel for Gold Cup while Mexico was desperate for a win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PegCityCam Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, SirBobsaget said: I'm not sure but did squad announcements happen after nations league? Did USA get their trophy then throw in the towel for Gold Cup while Mexico was desperate for a win? Yeah they happened after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 The US announced their Gold Cup squad before the Nations League matches were played PegCityCam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadeau Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 7 hours ago, PegCityCam said: I still think it was a missed opportunity. A chance for a few of our off-season boys to step up and lead this team. We're supposed to be gearing up (yeah i know 3 years away whatever) for a World Freaking Cup on home soil. Fuck rest...many of these guys who showed up are mid-season ffs. Old and banged up dudes like Osorio, Vitoria and Borjan are the only guys who need any real rest. I dunno, I'm just pissed with all this talk about trophies, the rise of Canada soccer and the FUCKING WORLD CUP coming that I see this atmosphere tonight and I'm like, big L for Canada. Missed a chance for a trophy, missed a chance for some good and pressure filled comp and missed chance to get Canadians amped about the future...god knows we need the distraction rn. Anyways, just a rant. Yeah for sure...Seeing Panama instead of us in the final made me a little sick. xabuep2, Ruud and PegCityCam 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 9 hours ago, Watchmen said: I mean...is it? When the tournament is held every two years, the schedule is fixed in your favour, and you routinely just swap it back and forth between one other country, you're going to win it a lot. Yeah, it's a ridiculous format. Has Mexico ever played an away match at the Gold Cup? Still, they deliver. And they've done it with while under the pressure of playing at home (as it were). PegCityCam and Free kick 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Does anyone know what revenue is generated for CONCACAF by the Gold Cup, and what profit they make from each tournament? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, RJB said: Does anyone know what revenue is generated for CONCACAF by the Gold Cup, and what profit they make from each tournament? I don’t think that they would ever share that info. And, I would think that they guard against that very closely. What i wonder is: how much do each the national federations get as a share of that? And how much of that goes to players? We seem to have a little more clarity on this with respect to the WC, but as far as the Gold cup, its NADA. The answer to these questions, might also go a long to ways to explaining why so many top talents in the region skip the Gold Cup. But, it is pretty obvious that to me that (with the massive influx of Americans with ties to central america in the US) the US is the only place where you can sell out a 40-50k seat venue to see a team like Guatemala and El Salvador. So, where else can you play. Even in central america, you wouldn’t get those kind of numbers and at the same price point for the home side. Edited July 17, 2023 by Free kick Ruud, TOcanadafan and RJB 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigandy Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 12 hours ago, MauditYvon said: Honestly our real B squad should have feature Choinière Arfield and Ugbo instead of Fraser Wotherspoon and Brym (+ Cornelius). Chouniere should have been there. Ugbo has a transfer to sort out. He would have helped but its was a career decision like the rest of our guys who didnt go to the GC. Cornelius was injured obviously. Arfield has been gone forever, has issues with the squad/herdman, and is not the player he used to be. Theres literally zero reason for him to be part of our GC squad and take away a spot from a younger player. Fraser deserved to be on the squad based on his GC performances. Hes still only 25. Wotherspoon couldve been dropped. For sure. However, he was never going to be the reason we win or lose. Giving an experienced loyal player the 20thish spot on the roster is not horrible IMO, even tho I'd be fine dropping him. Brym is bad and I think JRR looked better. Hes still got time on his side but who else could we call? ugbo, david, Jebbo and larin have other things so were unavailble. So the options are akinola? Cambridge? Kerr? Surely the most deserving call up of the lower depth chart strikers is Brym. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnyb Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 FWIW, We still hold the title of being the only country other than Mexico or US to have won the Gold Cup. PegCityCam, Cheeta, Free kick and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauditYvon Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Bigandy said: Fraser deserved to be on the squad based on his GC performances. Hes still only 25. Outside of England and some clubs in Italy Germany France, 25 is old to play D2. Same for Brym btw (but at least he belongs to a D1 club in a better country than Belgium). 6 hours ago, Bigandy said: Wotherspoon couldve been dropped. For sure. However, he was never going to be the reason we win or lose. No, but his substitute could have been a game changer. Of course Spoony isn’t one, that’s the point. Anyway, I just don’t think it’s our real B squad. 6-7 pieces missing. Edited July 17, 2023 by MauditYvon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red card Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, RJB said: Does anyone know what revenue is generated for CONCACAF by the Gold Cup, and what profit they make from each tournament? It has been reported that in Gold Cup years, Concacaf revenue is about US$100 million. In non Gold Cup years, it is US$25 million. So, we can say US$75 million of revenue generated from the Gold Cup. UEFA 2021-22 season revenues were over US$4 billion with no men Euros. Edited July 18, 2023 by red card dyslexic nam, Free kick, PegCityCam and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 The final was a pretty impressive spectacle rkomar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigandy Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 15 hours ago, MauditYvon said: Outside of England and some clubs in Italy Germany France, 25 is old to play D2. Same for Brym btw (but at least he belongs to a D1 club in a better country than Belgium). No, but his substitute could have been a game changer. Of course Spoony isn’t one, that’s the point. Anyway, I just don’t think it’s our real B squad. 6-7 pieces missing. I do totally agree with everything youre saying above. I guess my point is that the 6-7 missing pieces were not on herdman for the most part. Like the example of ugbo, cornelius and arfield. Then when you look at the options left over, fraser and spoony are not that absurd squad choices. Who else would replace them who was available. Choiniere is the only one. Of course, choiniere's ommision is questionable but that is the only omission I can think of where there isnt a justifiable excuse. Sirios is debatable but I prefer him playin in montreal compared to sitting as a 3rd string. We also get to give mcgill a stronger bond to canada. Corazon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruud Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 On 7/16/2023 at 10:25 PM, Cadeau said: Eustaquio and Johnston in the squad and wed have won this thing. With due respect, those two weren’t enough to win! We had how many guys on cards going into the semis against Panama? I think the problem was the round robin debacle which we never sorted out fast enough. One closed door friendly might have helped also. Obinna and Cadeau 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 On 7/17/2023 at 11:56 AM, Free kick said: But, it is pretty obvious that to me that (with the massive influx of Americans with ties to central america in the US) the US is the only place where you can sell out a 40-50k seat venue to see a team like Guatemala and El Salvador. So, where else can you play. Even in central america, you wouldn’t get those kind of numbers and at the same price point for the home side. You got me curious! I just looked up the attendence of all games/double headers in the last 5 editions of the Gold Cup, that DIDN'T involve USA or Mexico. Here are all the games that drew 15k or more. Note that the 4 at the bottom are all outside the USA. So not drawing as well as the highest attended USA games, but no games of 30k or 40k in the USA outside of the games involving USA or Mexico. P.S. Why does Frisco keep getting games? I guess they didn't get any in 2023, maybe they are done. I guess for completeness, below are all the sub 15k crowds, including the Frisco ones above again (and there are none from outside USA). A lot of them are from 2021, I can't remember there might have been some COVID restrictions, but Arlington drew a crowd of over 40k on the first day of the tournament, so at least in Texas terms it would be half capacity worst case, which doesn't explain the Frisco numbers. There weren't any other games in Florida that year. Houston had a game (Canada vs Mexico semi final) later on in the tournament with over 70k, but restrictions might have been lifted by then? PegCityCam, johnyb, Free kick and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted July 30, 2023 Author Share Posted July 30, 2023 (edited) It seems like the FIFA mandatory release only applies to FIFA members. Jordan Tell of Guadeloupe was fired from his club for playing in the Group Stage instead of going back to his club for pre-season training. https://la1ere.francetvinfo.fr/guadeloupe/le-grenoble-foot-38-licencie-jordan-tell-pour-avoir-privilegie-la-gold-cup-1417409.html Edited July 30, 2023 by Olympique_de_Marseille johnyb and dyslexic nam 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king1010 Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 All the more reason for Concacaf to figure something out for these non FIFA clubs. Shway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceA Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 1 hour ago, king1010 said: All the more reason for Concacaf to figure something out for these non FIFA clubs. They can't. Neither can FIFA. This is on France and the FFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoppage Time Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 1 hour ago, king1010 said: All the more reason for Concacaf to figure something out for these non FIFA clubs. Simple. Non-FIFA nations do not play in FIFA events. johnyb, Shway, Kadenge and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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