harrycoyster Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 4 hours ago, CanadaFan123 said: If Gibraltar, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland can have FIFA status I think we’re splitting hairs in not allowing the same in this instance. Particularly as they’re in another confederation altogether they can’t have their cake and eat it too. Either they’re a country or not. If they’re not a country they shouldn’t be competing internationally at all. There are weird instances all over the globe for why teams are/aren't FIFA nations, but what really seems to matter is what the 'parent' FA wants. The Faroe Islands and Greenland have the same status under Danish law, but the Danish FA recognizes the Faroe Islands as an independent federation and doesn't for Greenland. The USSF specifically refers to Puerto Rico and other US territories as partner federations. The FFF claims full control over French soccer and the national teams of the French overseas territories are funded by and answer to the FFF. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 43 minutes ago, harrycoyster said: There are weird instances all over the globe for why teams are/aren't FIFA nations, but what really seems to matter is what the 'parent' FA wants. The Faroe Islands and Greenland have the same status under Danish law, but the Danish FA recognizes the Faroe Islands as an independent federation and doesn't for Greenland. The USSF specifically refers to Puerto Rico and other US territories as partner federations. The FFF claims full control over French soccer and the national teams of the French overseas territories are funded by and answer to the FFF. Great post and that reminds me: We have a country with another country’s name allowed to play in FIFA ffs - United States Virgin Islands. It’s true that the French overseas territories even play in the French cup. I wonder if that is the tie that distinguishes them in this instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Amazingly club teams from Martinique, Guadeloupe, French Guiana, etc. play in the Coupe De France (which could qualify them for the UEFA Europa League) and also in the qualifying for the Caribbean club cup that can qualify them for the Concacaf Champions Cup. Shway, johnyb, Corazon and 1 other 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 minute ago, narduch said: Amazingly club teams from Martinique, Guadeloupe, French Guiana, etc. play in the Coupe De France (which could qualify them for the UEFA Europa League) and also in the qualifying for the Caribbean club cup that can qualify them for the Concacaf Champions Cup. I did the confused reaction because there needs to be a shocked reaction. None of them felt quite right. Shway and narduch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceA Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 There was a player who played for either a Martinique or Guadeloupe club and ended up getting caps for Spain, but I don't remember his name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, narduch said: Amazingly club teams from Martinique, Guadeloupe, French Guiana, etc. play in the Coupe De France (which could qualify them for the UEFA Europa League) and also in the qualifying for the Caribbean club cup that can qualify them for the Concacaf Champions Cup. I went on a deep Wikipedia hole a few days ago about these French departments with national teams, and I was surprised to find out that St. Pierre & Miquelon actually play in the coupe de France too- a team there lost 8-0 to a 5th division team in 2021. Crazy that a team based on a rock 20 KM from NFLD that most people don’t know exist could hypothetically go far into couple de France. No clue how they figure out home and away matches but it would be crazy if through some strange coincidence a team like PSG is forced to travel to St Pierre. narduch, johnyb and Corazon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceA Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, InglewoodJack said: I went on a deep Wikipedia hole a few days ago about these French departments with national teams, and I was surprised to find out that St. Pierre & Miquelon actually play in the coupe de France too- a team there lost 8-0 to a 5th division team in 2021. Crazy that a team based on a rock 20 KM from NFLD that most people don’t know exist could hypothetically go far into couple de France. No clue how they figure out home and away matches but it would be crazy if through some strange coincidence a team like PSG is forced to travel to St Pierre. And they're currently trying to get CONCACAF membership I believe. narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, InglewoodJack said: I went on a deep Wikipedia hole a few days ago about these French departments with national teams, and I was surprised to find out that St. Pierre & Miquelon actually play in the coupe de France too- a team there lost 8-0 to a 5th division team in 2021. Crazy that a team based on a rock 20 KM from NFLD that most people don’t know exist could hypothetically go far into couple de France. No clue how they figure out home and away matches but it would be crazy if through some strange coincidence a team like PSG is forced to travel to St Pierre. Last year a club called ASM Belfort travelled to Tahiti for a game: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022–23_Coupe_de_France narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Just now, VinceA said: And they're currently trying to get CONCACAF membership I believe. Oh god that would be cool and also absolute garbage. Cool to acknowledge a piece of France exists off of our coast, less cool when we play an away there on a 5 degree night with 50km winds and lose 3-2 because they made our team sleep in one of the 3 bed and breakfasts on the island in bunk beds. narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, InglewoodJack said: I went on a deep Wikipedia hole a few days ago about these French departments with national teams, and I was surprised to find out that St. Pierre & Miquelon actually play in the coupe de France too- a team there lost 8-0 to a 5th division team in 2021. Crazy that a team based on a rock 20 KM from NFLD that most people don’t know exist could hypothetically go far into couple de France. No clue how they figure out home and away matches but it would be crazy if through some strange coincidence a team like PSG is forced to travel to St Pierre. I believe their league only has 3 teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorty Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Just now, InglewoodJack said: Oh god that would be cool and also absolute garbage. Cool to acknowledge a piece of France exists off of our coast, less cool when we play an away there on a 5 degree night with 50km winds and lose 3-2 because they made our team sleep in one of the 3 bed and breakfasts on the island in bunk beds. Screw that. De Vos secures multimillion dollar sponson-ships by then, and we land on the pitch 30 minutes before the game for warm-ups in helicopters, with everyone in CSA bespoke blazers over warmups. Shway, InglewoodJack, Nello and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, shorty said: Screw that. De Vos secures multimillion dollar sponson-ships by then, and we land on the pitch 30 minutes before the game for warm-ups in helicopters, with everyone in CSA bespoke blazers over warmups. This, or more likely it’s Herdman driving a borrowed motor boat from some fisherman in Newfoundland and driving the team, 5 guys at a time from NF to St Pierre over and over. “This is our personal dunkirk!!” CanadaFan123, Shway, MtlMario and 4 others 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, InglewoodJack said: Oh god that would be cool and also absolute garbage. Cool to acknowledge a piece of France exists off of our coast, less cool when we play an away there on a 5 degree night with 50km winds and lose 3-2 because they made our team sleep in one of the 3 bed and breakfasts on the island in bunk beds. How would their entry to club competition be handled? MLS and Liga MX wouldn't want them in the Leagues Cup so an automatic entrant to the CONCACAF Champions Cup Round One with a home game in late Feb or early March? The fun and games really start that way if Greenland get in and there's a trip to Nuuk for some unsuspecting Mexican club at that time of year. Fortunately Greenland are talking about building an indoor stadium for FIFA related games: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arktisk_Stadion Edited June 21, 2023 by Ozzie_the_parrot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said: How would their entry to club competition be handled? MLS and Liga MX wouldn't want them in the Leagues Cup so an automatic entrant to the CONCACAF Champions Cup Round One with a home game in late Feb or early March? The fun and games really start that way if Greenland get in and there's a trip to Nuuk for some unsuspecting Mexican club at that time of year. Fortunately Greenland are talking about building an indoor stadium for FIFA related games: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arktisk_Stadion Wouldn’t they just be entered in the Caribbean tournament like the CPL champ did a few years back? Good for Greenland. According to Wiki, this is the pitch for their most recent champion: johnyb and nfitz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) CanPL teams weren't in the Caribbean tournament. It was the CONCACAF League that was involved with Central American clubs in there as well. That's been axed now and the Leagues Cup is now the North American regional entry competition replacing that with only the three MLS clubs as Canadian entrants. There are also separate Caribbean and Central American Cups for places in the CONCACAF Champions Cup as well. SP-M and Greenland are both geographically in North America so difficult to see how they could be treated differently from the CanPL entrants. Edited June 21, 2023 by Ozzie_the_parrot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Maybe I am just in a mood because of a shit workday but if these are actually French affiliates that are precluded from actual FIFA membership as independent entities because of that relationship, why not tell them they need to play in UEFA or even just feed into the French football machine? Maybe CONCACAF needs the presence of these minnow almost-countries to make up the numbers but it seems like they don’t bring a lot of value. Give them (and France) an ultimatum that they can either play in CONCACAF as full FIFA members or France and UEFA can have them and figure out what to do with them. I don’t really think France’s interests are better served by option 2. I am sure the lax FIFA rules would still let France siphon off any legitimate talent they uncover in a colony/affiliate/whatever but it would avoid the ridiculous situation that our regional conference allows the participation of “countries” that aren’t members of the FIFA umbrella organization. Or maybe I just need another beer. johnyb, CanadaFan123 and Obinna 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h coach Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 19 hours ago, maplebanana said: This sounds like a challenge I would enjoy taking on! Do you know of anywhere I can find historical CONCACAF rankings? I can only see the current ones that were updated on 3/31/2023. If I had even 2 sets of historical rankings I could probably figure out the weighting factors based on the results. Based on their description of it being a zero sum game, I suspect the Expected result is calculated similar to the FIFA ratings which are Elo based. In the meantime I've screen capped the CONCACAF index for 3/31 and I assume it will be updated after the gold cup, so I'll have 2 data sets by then and I should figure out something. You can use url Wayback machine to grab older versions of webpages maplebanana 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanwae Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 5 hours ago, harrycoyster said: There are weird instances all over the globe for why teams are/aren't FIFA nations, but what really seems to matter is what the 'parent' FA wants. The Faroe Islands and Greenland have the same status under Danish law, but the Danish FA recognizes the Faroe Islands as an independent federation and doesn't for Greenland. The USSF specifically refers to Puerto Rico and other US territories as partner federations. The FFF claims full control over French soccer and the national teams of the French overseas territories are funded by and answer to the FFF. For the French teams, this is only true for the teams that are departments which are considered full members of France (but not a part of the Schengen). New Caledonia and Tahiti (French Polynesia) are territories of France and are full FIFA members. In the case of England, Scotland, Gibraltar, etc, of course there is historical reasons why they've been admitted to FIFA individually but the Kingdom of the Netherlands follows a similar structure and their constituent countries have been admitted as well. This explains why Curacao and Aruba are FIFA members but not Bonaire. However Sint Maarten has the same status as Aruba and Curacao and has been rejected for FIFA membership. Although as mentioned previously, especially with the Faroes/Greenland scenario, the rules for membership are not applied evenly for whatever reason. Shway and Obinna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 I wonder why none of these former Canada players don't throw their names into the hat to become Canada manager after Herdman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawafan Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 1 hour ago, TGAA_Star said: I wonder why none of these former Canada players don't throw their names into the hat to become Canada manager after Herdman? My guess is De Vos will one day. TGAA_Star 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Does De Vos even seem interested in managing? I would rather hire someone actually putting in the work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawafan Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, narduch said: Does De Vos even seem interested in managing? I would rather hire someone actually putting in the work I have heard he is interested in the gig. Who knows if that is still his ambition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, narduch said: Does De Vos even seem interested in managing? I would rather hire someone actually putting in the work Yeah I doubt he’s interested in managing full time. I could see him being an interim manager similar to BJ Callaghan but that’s about it. narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Ottawafan said: I have heard he is interested in the gig. Who knows if that is still his ambition. He might be interested in the gig but he doesn't seem interested in gaining the proper experience. I'd rather hire a Smyrniotis or a Wheeldon Jr. HochelagaFC, Canuckia, Kent and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawafan Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Things change and perhaps he is more interested now in working at the CSA and making a difference there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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