Canada and the 2024 Copa America

[Obinna]

7 minutes ago, jdcyantsis said:

I'd like to stop waving away the actions of fully grown adults who ply their trade "in the West" as it being due to ignorance. They sang the chant, the chant purposefully included that part in order to call those "identities into question", that is not due to ignorance, it was included for a reason in the chant. That is a feature of the chant not a bug. 

Waving away? It's like you read my post and heard me apologize for them.

But no need for me to elaborate further if that's what you are reading in my post.

I am now convinced there is no other way myself and others could craft these posts in order to get the message across.

If all you want to read is about how terrible they are as human beings, or how much they should be shamed or punished into some form of justice, let my just respect that and no longer get in the way!

[SpursFlu]

Maybe the solution here is everyone stop obsessing over the color of people's skin and where their parents, grandparents, great grandparents, great great grandparents came from. It's a pretty boring topic anyways

At this point it's like watching season 10 of a TV show that really should have wrapped up after season 5

Edited July 23 by SpursFlu

[Unnamed Trialist]

Fallout from the Copa is that Javier Aguirre is new Mexico coach and Rafa Marquez has left Barcelona to be his assistant. 

I don't think Aguirre is that great and it puts us in a good position to continue to rival Mexico. 

[Obinna]

2 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Fallout from the Copa is that Javier Aguirre is new Mexico coach and Rafa Marquez has left Barcelona to be his assistant. 

I don't think Aguirre is that great and it puts us in a good position to continue to rival Mexico. 

He knows how to prevent Larin from scoring goals, so we shouldn't take him too lightly.

[Unnamed Trialist]

3 minutes ago, Obinna said:

He knows how to prevent Larin from scoring goals, so we shouldn't take him too lightly.

Good one.

Funny but he played for Marsch in a very similar way as under Aguirre, didn't score but made the team tougher. Not a pattern I find too satisfying. 

Mexico are a bit stubborn to give Aguirre a third shot instead of just letting Marquez take it, they're even more stuck than the US.

[Obinna]

11 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Good one.

Funny but he played for Marsch in a very similar way as under Aguirre, didn't score but made the team tougher. Not a pattern I find too satisfying. 

Mexico are a bit stubborn to give Aguirre a third shot instead of just letting Marquez take it, they're even more stuck than the US.

And since the US measure themselves against Mexico, dominating them has given the USA the false impression they are on the cusp of becoming an elite team.

If only they had a proper 9....if only they got rid of Berhalter....

I am looking forward to what the next excuse will be. 

Personally, I believe they need a mentality shift. Talent-wise they aren't far away, but aside from when they are playing Mexico, or playing inside this region in general, they are either gutless or easily figured out.

I don't know what coach can come along and change things for this group. On the big stage, I don't think it's in the DNA of these players to rise to the occassion. Hard for me to believe otherwise, I am just not convinced these players have the personality for it.

Edited July 23 by Obinna

[An Observer]

4 hours ago, Obinna said:

And since the US measure themselves against Mexico, dominating them has given the USA the false impression they are on the cusp of becoming an elite team.

If only they had a proper 9....if only they got rid of Berhalter....

I am looking forward to what the next excuse will be. 

Personally, I believe they need a mentality shift. Talent-wise they aren't far away, but aside from when they are playing Mexico, or playing inside this region in general, they are either gutless or easily figured out.

I don't know what coach can come along and change things for this group. On the big stage, I don't think it's in the DNA of these players to rise to the occassion. Hard for me to believe otherwise, I am just not convinced these players have the personality for it.

I have a similar take.  But I guess we will see with their new manager

[xabuep2]

Everything indicates that Argentina will organize the 2028 Copa América.

Let's hope they continue with the 16-nation format and Canada is present. If they use 8 stadiums, it is very likely that 16 countries will participate.

 

Argentina, principal candidata para ser la sede de la Copa América 2028 - AS.com

[JAVIERF]

13 hours ago, Kent said:

I am curious who is being hated in the chant? Is it white French people because they aren't good enough to make the team over the black players that are on the team?

I play with a guy that recently moved to Canada from Africa. He talked about how African national teams can't get better because players chose their national teams based on how much money they can make, and he was specifically talking about France. He considers those players who were born and grew up in France to be Africans. Is he racist against his own race as well? I think it's probably more of a case of some people tightly coupling the idea of nationality with the idea of ethnicity. It's a complicated issue I think. Is there a difference between a Cameroonian considering a French born person of Cameroonian decent to be Cameroonian, vs a French person considering that same person to be Cameroonian? From one side it can be seen as Cameroon trying to claim a person as one of their own, and from the other side it can be seen as France rejecting someone as being one of their own. How does it work when it's a third party, like Argentinians, weighing in on the subject?

Either way, it's a dumb chant for sure.

I already regret re-opening this discussion. I hope it doesn't go on for pages.

Argentinians aren't racist against other ethnic groups but as if you are rich enough and successful or not ,  if you are a poor bastard you are doomed.  especially with the women , argies women are a bit classist if they come from a wealthy family up town girls etc.  

The less classists and " racists" are the peronists by all means . 

Upper class Argentinians are dumb are rich and ignorants they hate peronism and social justice .

 

That chant was made by rich argies that hate peronism and CFK and everything that's popular or for the working class people.  

Most southamerican countries are similar they don't hate you by your skin colour but for how many money you have and your families have or if they can get something out of you I. A nepotistic society.  I heard some European countries are the same regarding nepotism.  

The best thing can happen to you is being a justicialist Argentinian and their subculture as in the Brit labour party and the PS français and the Spanish PSOE

[Obinna]

8 minutes ago, JAVIERF said:

Argentinians aren't racist against other ethnic groups but as if you are rich enough and successful or not ,  if you are a poor bastard you are doomed.  especially with the women , argies women are a bit classist if they come from a wealthy family up town girls etc.  

The less classists and " racists" are the peronists by all means . 

Upper class Argentinians are dumb are rich and ignorants they hate peronism and social justice .

 

That chant was made by rich argies that hate peronism and CFK and everything that's popular or for the working class people.  

Most southamerican countries are similar they don't hate you by your skin colour but for how many money you have and your families have or if they can get something out of you I. A nepotistic society.  I heard some European countries are the same regarding nepotism.  

The best thing can happen to you is being a justicialist Argentinian and their subculture as in the Brit labour party and the PS français and the Spanish PSOE

Thanks for sharing, I appreciate your Argentinian perspective.

[JAVIERF]

9 hours ago, SpursFlu said:

Maybe the solution here is everyone stop obsessing over the color of people's skin and where their parents, grandparents, great grandparents, great great grandparents came from. It's a pretty boring topic anyways

At this point it's like watching season 10 of a TV show that really should have wrapped up after season 5

As I stated before France primary important sport is rugby,  they are obsessed people about rugby.   only near Lille and Strasbourg football is more predominant , and in Marseille in the south also Nice a bit.

The football became the immigration sport but not from the last 30 years,  but since forever ....., Platini was Italian Fernandez basque , Battiston Genghini Amoros Xuereb Stopyra Djorkaeff Candela Cantona Bravo Ginola Di Meco  etc etc all poor white trash people coming from the white immigrants banlieu.  African french are only the 10 percent of that country but most of them play sports at school you need to choose at a young age your future in France so at 15 you have to compete and decide because of the baccalaureat made by Napoleon 

 

In France the white french people like Papin Bats Petit Blanc Cabaye Toulalan Debauchy  etc etc  etc etc. They couldn't care less about football in the rest of their country,  and I lived near Genève for 5 years in a little forgotten french town near the Swiss border.  

If there is one true and true Astérix descendant who plays football is an anomaly.  

Check the rosters of the 1 st and 2nd division 80 % of them are french Africans and Arabs ,  it is mathematics. 

And the rich Argentinians in a way they envy that those Africans are true french citizens and they are white southamericans.

Players like Enzo who come from working class industrial cities are used by the rich people of Argentina they befriend with them and the become " class traitors " or as we say in Spain and Argentins " déclassé ' people who come from very poor upbringing and when they become rich they forget their origins one example are kun Agüero and Tévez,  they are getting friends and ladies that they would reject both if they weren't rich and famous. But they are  And those two they like to " belong " or feel part of a social class that will reject and avoid the working class people that they used to represent.

Tévez cheated on his sweetheart girlfriend as many times as he could with every model and bikini bimbo and he still does,  his wife came from the same upbringing and she forgave everything. 

The money those women made from footballers is amazing, mistresses, girlfriend prostitutes , wannabes etc and not only fro. The elite players but from the lower league players too,  there is a subculture all young women here and in Spain they wanna be  " influencers " before a degree.  They get Cars apartments jewelry etc etc there's is a subcultures of the wags in South America not only in Argentina. 

Oldest people made jokes that when they were young the old mother's and grannies advice the girls to get married with a lawyer, judge,  or a medical doctor or an architect or even a policeman who could be a police chief with years they used to remark that now the newer generations wanna get a footballer or a tennis player instead .  

As I said before none southamerican country is racist, they are "classists" or the similar meaning for English people could be ". Snob/ snobbish ". Or class conscious persons,  but not for University carrers, only for money and prestige, 

in a way if some we can accuse Argentinians and other southamericans is of being very shallow and ignorants with money.  The people who studies aren't the best paid in South America,  you can get a butcher shop owner who earns ten times more than a medical doctor or even a truck driver or bus drives they make double than a teacher.

 

The song came from snobby rich blue eyes upper class Argentinians who deep bottom the envy the Paul Pogba and Upanecano's of life because in their passports they are born and bred citizens.

 

At the start of xx Century the rich Argentinians of oligarchs families they used to spend their big money in France and the French had an expression ". You are as rich as an Argentinian"  or " throwing butter to the restaurant 's ceiling" ( butter was an expensive product then and those rich argies used the butter to play around with it, in France to show they could afford it to the poor working clas people as a symbol of money power) of course those were only the 10 % of the country while the rest was starving that's way those hated the Peronism that with all their faults they fought for dignity for the poor and working class people,  those  rich idiots of the chant now , they are their descendants of the old oligarchy before the Perón arrival .

 

Edited July 24 by JAVIERF

[JAVIERF]

IlOkCan we say if the people crazy zealots like Le Pen get their hands in their national team ,  France would be really as competitive as today ?  I say they will struggle to qualify in Uefa for WC and Euro 

The best team of course with Mbappe on it.  Of course will never prevail in a competition with Mbappe even still on it...

Laurent Blanc quitted because he tried to apply a whitey quota in the team.  Senior and young .

 

Check this out 

 

GK Meslier 

RB Pavard 

CB Lenglet

CB Hernandez L

LB Hernandez T 

RM Le Fée

CM Rabiot 

CM Veretout

AM Griezmann 

CF Mbappe 

CF Maupay

 

Réserves 

Lecomte 

Chevalier

Merlin

Gigot

Gradit

Chardonnet

Dubois 

Clauss

Caqueret

Tousart 

Thauvin 

Rongier

Honorat 

Terrier

Labord 

Le Douaron

 

Is this team good enough ?????

 

Nah ,  wouldn't beat Venezuela nor Ecuador and Albania and Slovenia will best them easily 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ozzie_the_parrot]

5 hours ago, JAVIERF said:

...If there is one true and true Astérix descendant who plays football is an anomaly...

...if he does, he probably really wants to play for this team:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brittany_national_football_team

rather than for the team that speaks the language of the Roman invader. Think Paul Le Guen (his surname is derived from the Breton word for white) talked the Breton angle up when he first arrived in Scotland at Rangers but he was at the wrong club to be bringing Celtic heritage into the mix.

[JAVIERF]

20 minutes ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

...if he does, he probably really wants to play for this team:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brittany_national_football_team

rather than for the team that speaks the language of the Roman invader. Think Paul Le Guen (his surname is derived from the Breton word for white) talked the Breton angle up when he first arrived in Scotland at Rangers but he was at the wrong club to be bringing Celtic heritage into the mix.

That's amazing.  As I said before then the msgrehbi people how do you list them ,  France is an immigrant country though Le Pen family and niece can't accept the end of France Vichy.  

Zidane Ben Yadder Benzema et and many more are ethnic white ,  so you also have the french Caribbean 

So they have four or five France teams in one team nothing wrong with that as I said before,  FRANCE IS a rugby Country.

They have to choose the best though some should do de Drogba abd the Aunemeyang move and play for the Africa teams as Mourinho suggested and Trevor Noah said as well

[CanadaFan123]

15 hours ago, Obinna said:

And since the US measure themselves against Mexico, dominating them has given the USA the false impression they are on the cusp of becoming an elite team.

If only they had a proper 9....if only they got rid of Berhalter....

I am looking forward to what the next excuse will be. 

Personally, I believe they need a mentality shift. Talent-wise they aren't far away, but aside from when they are playing Mexico, or playing inside this region in general, they are either gutless or easily figured out.

I don't know what coach can come along and change things for this group. On the big stage, I don't think it's in the DNA of these players to rise to the occassion. Hard for me to believe otherwise, I am just not convinced these players have the personality for it.

The problem with the USA is their character. They fold if things don’t go their way. How many images have we seen of players on their team literally throwing tantrums? Find me one of a Canadian player in recent times… 

[Kent]

9 hours ago, JAVIERF said:

The less classists and " racists" are the peronists by all means . 

Upper class Argentinians are dumb

I love how you barely even take a breath between calling the upper class more classist to calling them dumb. 😄

[sebdeserio]

4 hours ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

...if he does, he probably really wants to play for this team:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brittany_national_football_team

rather than for the team that speaks the language of the Roman invader. Think Paul Le Guen (his surname is derived from the Breton word for white) talked the Breton angle up when he first arrived in Scotland at Rangers but he was at the wrong club to be bringing Celtic heritage into the mix.

Yoann Gourcuff as well

Edited July 24 by sebdeserio

[Obinna]

2 hours ago, CanadaFan123 said:

The problem with the USA is their character. They fold if things don’t go their way. How many images have we seen of players on their team literally throwing tantrums? Find me one of a Canadian player in recent times… 

Nail on the head.

[Soro17]

3 hours ago, sebdeserio said:

Yoann Gourcuff as well

I enjoyed seeing Robin Le Normand play for Spain. 

[JAVIERF]

9 hours ago, Kent said:

I love how you barely even take a breath between calling the upper class more classist to calling them dumb. 😄

You can be an oligarch or aristocrat and being ignorant or plain dumb.  

Old family money doesn't make them more intelligent .  

[Kent]

2 hours ago, JAVIERF said:

You can be an oligarch or aristocrat and being ignorant or plain dumb.  

Old family money doesn't make them more intelligent .  

Where did I say they were intelligent? I didn't say if they were smart or dumb. I didn't generalize. You judged people based on their class right after saying it's the other group of people that judge people based on their class. That's what I found funny.

[red card]

Argentina's anthem was jeered/booed today at Olympic men's rugby 7s and men's football.

Moroccan fans also pelted players after scoring in the 16th minute of added time. But it was called offside 2 hours later in an empty stadium after pitch invasion stopped match.

 

[narduch]

Lol. Nice of them to call that the 1st scandal and not our drone thing.

Also Visegrad 24 is a right ring misinformation account.

Edited July 25 by narduch

[Unnamed Trialist]

42 minutes ago, narduch said:

Lol. Nice of them to call that the 1st scandal and not our drone thing.

Also Visegrad 24 is a right ring misinformation account.

All Olympics tend to have a few "scandal" stories in the press in the days they begin, probably the first was the leading British equestrian whipping a student's horse a couple dozen times in a minute, images from a few years ago. Then, as the stories related to athletic triumph come to the fore, they get drowned out. There is a part of the press that feeds off that sort of story, but the majority knows they are informing fanbases, national teams, or fans of sport in general. 

 

Edited July 25 by Unnamed Trialist

[JAVIERF]

1 hour ago, Kent said:

Where did I say they were intelligent? I didn't say if they were smart or dumb. I didn't generalize. You judged people based on their class right after saying it's the other group of people that judge people based on their class. That's what I found funny.

My dear friend and soft flower of the Nordstar,  do you know why the kids in the shanty towns or favelas or thé french banlieus or the southamerican villas miserias won't play Polo ? 

Because you know the will kill and eat the horse ,  you can't make footballers from opulence or rich towns like the Hamptons,  we have great footballers because or poverty,  because of the working clubs ,  because the social clubs in the neighborhood that they offer different sports and hobbies for its community as it happen in Barcelona, in Ireland in Uruguay in Argentina and in France as well and im many countries too.  

Where people collect money for funds for the children's to compete, shirts, shoes, ⚽ 🏈 🎾 🤾 🥊 etc etc etc ,  without society you can't have footballers I'm a capitalist but I support social justice ,  the richest as Bono sings " the wicked make just  so much noise, mother , the righteous stay oddly still , with no wisdom all of the riches in the world leave us poor tonight" ,  Ave Maria.

Or George Best's parents were rich ? 

Or etc etc 

The worst crime Is those who come from the bottom of society they forget who they are and who they represent my dear KENT . 

That's why Peronism/justicialism is so absorbing even though with it's faults because politics are made by people sometimes greedy, it's the third way.   England had a justicialist in office, Tony Blair , he couldn't rise up to the occasion 

Cheers 

Long live Bielsa !!!

Sartre said  once " we are and solve things here  as the result from what others have done with us since we exist"