WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Kent said: You would think it shoud at least be in the top 4. But I have no idea if many people outside of South America pay much attention to the Copa America. The timing will make it hard for European, African, and Asian fans of Messi to watch the game live. The Premier League is pumping it a little (along side the Euros) (won't imbed incidently) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvFuswjw4hY De Bruyne, Guimarães, Van Dijk & Álvarez | PL Stars At Euro 2024 & Copa América | World Beaters But yes English fans, for instance, can't really watch it. Especially if they spent all day watching the Euros. Edited June 18 by WestHamCanadianinOxford Canuckia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 48 more hours until Copa America jhoops__ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kent Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, TGAA_Star said: 48 more hours until Copa America Here's the problem when people use "48 hours" as a synonym for 2 days without thinking about their context. The game against Argentina isn't at 7am in Atlanta. Right now it's 60.5 hours until Copa America. Olympique_de_Marseille, narduch, Shway and 4 others 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, Kent said: Here's the problem when people use "48 hours" as a synonym for 2 days without thinking about their context. The game against Argentina isn't at 7am in Atlanta. Right now it's 60.5 hours until Copa America. Yeah I use it as a synonym for 2 more days and what is so wrong with that LMAO 🤣 especially when technically it is 2 more days until Copa America kicks off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 10 hours ago, Bison44 said: But on another note, why is Gary glitter taking a pic with the pope? Yeah, its not like they have anything in common... jhoops__, Bison44, PastPros and 2 others 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 TM values for Copa America teams: Canada is literally middle of the pack, sitting in 8th with a roster value of 181M, and an average player value of 6.96M. Chile and Peru are 11th and 13th respectively. Argentina are clear no. 2, behind Brazil. We know this paper talk means little, as it inflates player ratings for potential, meaning that veteran player ratings are understated, but even still it's an interesting look at the field of teams we are about to compete against. 74 Whitecap, PegCityCam, johnyb and 5 others 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 8 minutes ago, Obinna said: TM values for Copa America teams: Canada is literally middle of the pack, sitting in 8th with a roster value of 181M, and an average player value of 6.96M. Chile and Peru are 11th and 13th respectively. Argentina are clear no. 2, behind Brazil. We know this paper talk means little, as it inflates player ratings for potential, meaning that veteran player ratings are understated, but even still it's an interesting look at the field of teams we are about to compete against. It doesn't lie. Reason why I think we should be looking to leave our group. WestHamCanadianinOxford and Obinna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Our values are probably skewed by 2 players, Davies & David. Interesting looking at the average age of squads. Surprised the US is still a tad younger than ours. There was another graphic that indicated we were the 2nd tallest squad...yet we are not dominant in the air on both sides of the ball. Perhaps that changes now with Bombito & Cornelius Jack1997, johnyb, PegCityCam and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Jack1997, dyslexic nam, The Real Marc and 17 others 19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 It also shows the 3 oldest teams are in our group. NVsoccer, Obinna, narduch and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 26 minutes ago, RS said: Thank God Alphonso Davies is not taking penalties given his blunder against Belgium in Qatar Obinna and costarg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe MacCarthy Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 MtlMario, Canuckia, Kadenge and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 2 hours ago, Shway said: It doesn't lie. Reason why I think we should be looking to leave our group. Transfermarket value can of course lie but if we use it with an eye test of talent I think we should be disappointed not advancing. (I assume that's what you mean and not staging a protest and leaving it). Seemingly their top level players based on people I have seen or have seen the level they are playing at. (Argentina aside of course) (Just for fun, please add or correct) Peru Pedro Gallese - MLS lock keeper Marcos López - LB - spotty minutes for a dominant Feynord side Miguel Araujo - Aside from the first of the year, starting MLS Centreback for Portland, replaced McGraw and played with Miller and then stay in centre when the latter moved to LB. A generally poor defense. Alexander Callens - CB Greek League general starter Luis Abram - MLS starting Centreback Oliver Sonne - starting RB for Silkeborg in Norway, played in one Conference League game against West Ham. Don't remember him being at fault for any of the goals but we put three past them at their place. Wilder Cartagena - DM - Very good MLS minutes with Orlando especially recently Sergio Peña - Midfielder - Cornelius' teammate at Malmo in Sweden, generally a starter Piero Quispe - AMC - LigaMX, sometimes starter, 1 assist on the year Gianluca Lapadula - Centre-Forward at Cagliari, injured and then okay minutes in Serie A, 2 goals. Chile Keeper - Claudio Bravo not longer starts, it is a younger player from their national league. Gabriel Suazo - LB - Good minutes with majority of starts for Toulouse in Ligue1 Guillermo Maripán - CB - Some injuries but aside for that an almost locked-in starter for Monaco Paulo Díaz - Starting CB for River Plate Igor Lichnovsky - Mosly starting CB for Club America in LigaMX Mauricio Isla - RB - Back starting in the squad for this year's friendlies, playing with Independiente in Argentina, 36 Erick Pulgar - DM - Good minutes before the internationals playing with Flamengo in Brazil Marcelino Núñez - Midfielder - Mostly starts for Championship N'arch this year. 36 league appearances - 2 goal and 3 assists. Diego Valdés - AMC - Lots of good appearances for Club America - 6 goals 2 assists. Ben Brereton Díaz - Winger/Striker - Can be very dangerous, 6 goals in a half season with Sheffield United in the Premier League. Alexis Sánchez - Forward - 4 goals and 5 assists in mostly sub minutes in Serie A and the Champions League. Fill yer boots. Edited June 18 by WestHamCanadianinOxford blueseeka, johnyb, GasPed and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 11 minutes ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said: Alexander Callens - CB Greek League general starter with 2nd place AEK Athens, who finished 1 point behind the champions Wanted to add some context here. The man is also on loan from surprise La Liga package and UCL qualified Girona. He's also a NYCFC vet. That's all for Peru. For Chile....another player worth mentioning Dario Osorio. Super young but very talented. Balled out in the Danish league with Midtjylland, scoring 8 goals in his first season in Europe. Also scored against France back in a 3-2 away loss back in March. GasPed, Watchmen and WestHamCanadianinOxford 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PegCityCam Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 7 hours ago, Joe MacCarthy said: JD...and Larin if we're being honest. Pressure is on them to start rattling the twine again for us. JD especially imo. Davies obviously needs to step into that captain role and continue on with his recent displays of maturity and more measured approach to how he plays overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 17 minutes ago, Obinna said: Wanted to add some context here. The man is also on loan from surprise La Liga package and UCL qualified Girona. He's also a NYCFC vet. That's all for Peru. For Chile....another player worth mentioning Dario Osorio. Super young but very talented. Balled out in the Danish league with Midtjylland, scoring 8 goals in his first season in Europe. Also scored against France back in a 3-2 away loss back in March. Was going to say, Dario Osorio is one of the names I keep seeing come up as the breakout name of the tournament. Just 20 y/o, they're expecting big things from him. WestHamCanadianinOxford and Obinna 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtlMario Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 15 minutes ago, PegCityCam said: JD...and Larin if we're being honest. Pressure is on them to start rattling the twine again for us. JD especially imo. Davies obviously needs to step into that captain role and continue on with his recent displays of maturity and more measured approach to how he plays overall. Agree with you except I'm not too optimistic that Larin will score. JD I think will be great. Tajon also has to step up. Will see soon enough. Canuckia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2 hours ago, Obinna said: TM values for Copa America teams: Canada is literally middle of the pack, sitting in 8th with a roster value of 181M, and an average player value of 6.96M. Chile and Peru are 11th and 13th respectively. Argentina are clear no. 2, behind Brazil. We know this paper talk means little, as it inflates player ratings for potential, meaning that veteran player ratings are understated, but even still it's an interesting look at the field of teams we are about to compete against. Costa Rica also finally moved on from their golden generation. Youngest average age of all. 74 Whitecap, Olympique_de_Marseille, WestHamCanadianinOxford and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Lets be honest, there are lots of guys who need to do better. Our whole attack has been a bit low-key recently and while the recent opponents were world class, we didn't threaten them much offensively over 180 minutes aside from Larin's scuffed chance in the box and Liam's almost-golazo. Given our offensive firepower, we need those guys to generate more quality chances than that. And that applied to all of David, Larin, Davies and Buchanan. WestHamCanadianinOxford, Canuckia, NVsoccer and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally McCoist Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2 hours ago, RS said: This decision is 1.5 years too late. dyslexic nam, MtlMario, Olympique_de_Marseille and 7 others 3 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2 hours ago, RS said: This is why I am not worried about the Davies vs Staq captaincy issue. It was only Herdman who let the players determine it on the field depending on who was "feeling it". Good coaching will involve making sure the players know what is expected re PKs, free kicks, corners, etc. Eliminating those sorts of on-field decisions means that Davies' role as captain will be limited to interacting with the ref and leading by example. 74 Whitecap, GasPed, PastPros and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red card Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) As per TheyScored, the Prem (also tops Euros) & MLS are tied for most players at Copa America. 41 - Premier League 41 - MLS 35 - Liga MX 35 - Serie A (Brazil) 28 - La Liga 23 - Serie A (Italy) 20 - Primera División (Bolivia) 16 - Primera División (Argentina) 16 - Liga FPD (Costa Rica) 13 - EFL Championship 13 - Primeira Liga (Portugal) By club, it is more of the clubs in tier 2 or lower leagues making their presence. Top Canadian club is CFM with 4. CFM is also tied with Minnesota as top MLS club. 9 - Bolívar 7 - Deportivo Saprissa 7 - Club América 5 - Herediano 5 - Fulham 5 - Libertad (Paraguay) 5 - FC Porto 5 - Flamengo 5 - Always Ready (Bolivia) 5 - Universitario (Peru) Edited June 18 by red card WestHamCanadianinOxford, GasPed, Canuckia and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktf Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 26 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said: This is why I am not worried about the Davies vs Staq captaincy issue. It was only Herdman who let the players determine it on the field depending on who was "feeling it". Good coaching will involve making sure the players know what is expected re PKs, free kicks, corners, etc. Eliminating those sorts of on-field decisions means that Davies' role as captain will be limited to interacting with the ref and leading by example. It also helps having these roles set, as, even if it fails, it falls on the coach to take the blame and make adjustments/changes. It doesn't become a potential point of conflict between teammates. You have to know there was likely some lingering resentment on Davies taking that PK. The whole "feeling it" thing is a pretty big coach cop out. Canuckia and Kent 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 38 minutes ago, Ally McCoist said: This decision is 1.5 years too late. Is there a reaction button for still working through trauma? Canuckia, MtlMario and yomurphy1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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