74 Whitecap Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 1 hour ago, Watchmen said: Not much. He initially cracked the team in a bit of a LB role, but was quickly moved in field. I don't think LB is the role they'd be calling him in for, though if they're going with more of a LWB it might work. Honestly, I would not want him in a defensive role right now. He simply hasn't been sharp enough in that area. If they're chasing the game late, I could see them bringing him on. But if they're ahead and/or trying to hold the score as is, I wouldn't want him on the pitch right now. 100% agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eramosat Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 11 minutes ago, Floortom said: xGOT was 1.57 (US) to 1.05 (Brazil) I have enough on my hands evaluating Canada's xGOT in a positive light to worry about evaluating the US's xGOT in a negative light. And so on. The person who egged you on should simply find another forum to triumph USMNT triumphs, Gods knows they also need the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 1 hour ago, DrunkOffPunch said: You didn’t watch the game either then. Turner wasn’t standing on his head making saves. Yes, Brazil took a lot of shots. The quality of shots matters though. The US created the better chances, especially in the second half. 1.63 is not a high xG off 25 shots. If I could find the xGot i guarantee you it would be very even. I don’t care about possession. Flip the flags and throw El Salvador or Panama in there I’ve seen that game plenty of times. Well the US had 3 over a 7. That doesn’t really matter though I’d like you to find 1 Brazilian that thinks Vini was worthy of his rating. Endrick showed more in his 25 minutes than Vini did in 90. Edit- ESPN? C’mon. A footie fan after my own heart: let's not argue over fotmob or xG, let's watch football and call it as we see it. What is sad is that not only fans don't want to do it, it makes them panic when they see anyone giving a confident opinion about what they saw on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
74 Whitecap Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 1 hour ago, DrunkOffPunch said: You didn’t watch the game either then. Turner wasn’t standing on his head making saves. Yes, Brazil took a lot of shots. The quality of shots matters though. The US created the better chances, especially in the second half. 1.63 is not a high xG off 25 shots. If I could find the xGot i guarantee you it would be very even. I don’t care about possession. Flip the flags and throw El Salvador or Panama in there I’ve seen that game plenty of times. Well the US had 3 over a 7. That doesn’t really matter though I’d like you to find 1 Brazilian that thinks Vini was worthy of his rating. Endrick showed more in his 25 minutes than Vini did in 90. Edit- ESPN? C’mon. I watched the game, and the xg of roughly 2 for Brazil and roughly 1 for the US passed the eye test for me. Most likely outcome was probably 2-1 Brazil, but their finishing (as you noted) was poor. The US definitely did not create better chances overall on the match, although I thought they played well for the most part. Brazil was carving up the US defense fairly often in the first half until the US fell back into a defensive posture. Like France, I don't think Brazil was going at 100%, but still I saw some signs that would be worrying to me if I was a Brazil fan, especially after the US fell back. With the ball against the packed US defense, they didn't seem to have a lot of ideas and their perimeter shooting was woeful. Without the ball, they did press, but their press seemed disjointed without proper teamwork/intensity to make it effective. Have seen much better press execution in friendlies in recent days from Argentina and the Netherlands. And with games against Paraguay and Costa Rica in the Copa, Brazil are going to see some stacked defences, so we'll see if they do a better job breaking them down than they did vs. the US (who, to their credit, I thought were well disciplined and organized in their low block, and fairly effective on counter in both halves). As an aside, one bad thing about the US hosting games, is it means US Soccer posts the official highlights and they are the world's worst highlight makers. They managed to show 1 of Brazil's 24 shots in their highlights for the game yesterday (the goal), but even that was better when they posted the highlights for US 1 Canada 1 in World Cup qualifying and didn't even include Canada's goal in the highlights. OK, a 2nd aside, it was a nice play the US ran for the free kick goal, but why use that in a friendly? red card, narduch and Corazon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 With 23 outfielders on the final squad, there's going to be players that will not see the field. I would prefer if they were younger players with upside like JRR & AA. Being on the bench or close to it would be good prep for 2026. 74 Whitecap, johnyb and Canuckia 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJsens1 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 I’d be surprised if Tani was let go. I’d like to think they want to cap him and negate any possibility of him joining Nigeria. If we’re done heading into the Chile game for example, you wanna see him hit the field or maybe sooner depending on the form of others. Maybe I’m getting ahead of myself but let’s say he explodes as a player. Why risk it? That’s how I see it anyway 74 Whitecap, gigi riva and MtlMario 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kadenge said: With 23 outfielders on the final squad, there's going to be players that will not see the field. I would prefer if they were younger players with upside like JRR & AA. Being on the bench or close to it would be good prep for 2026. Its 26! Edited June 13 by Shway GasPed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corazon Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 7 minutes ago, Shway said: Its 26! I think he meant 23 outfielders as in non keepers. In which case, it is 23 outfielders and 3 goalies. Kadenge, Ivan, Shway and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Treppy2 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, EJsens1 said: I’d be surprised if Tani was let go. I’d like to think they want to cap him and negate any possibility of him joining Nigeria. If we’re done heading into the Chile game for example, you wanna see him hit the field or maybe sooner depending on the form of others. Maybe I’m getting ahead of myself but let’s say he explodes as a player. Why risk it? That’s how I see it anyway IIRC, a player who takes the field for a single minute in a continental championship match (such as Copa or the Gold Cup) is permanently cap tied. As you suggest, it would be worthwhile bringing him on as a sub in the late stages of a match. jhoops__ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SthMelbRed Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 17 minutes ago, Treppy2 said: IIRC, a player who takes the field for a single minute in a continental championship match (such as Copa or the Gold Cup) is permanently cap tied. As you suggest, it would be worthwhile bringing him on as a sub in the late stages of a match. Does the 'special' Copa America count as a cap-tying appearance for CONCACAF nations, though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treppy2 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 24 minutes ago, SthMelbRed said: Does the 'special' Copa America count as a cap-tying appearance for CONCACAF nations, though? Yeah, good question. No idea about that. I can see CONCACAF CONCACAFing us and saying no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 37 minutes ago, Treppy2 said: IIRC, a player who takes the field for a single minute in a continental championship match (such as Copa or the Gold Cup) is permanently cap tied. As you suggest, it would be worthwhile bringing him on as a sub in the late stages of a match. 17 minutes ago, SthMelbRed said: Does the 'special' Copa America count as a cap-tying appearance for CONCACAF nations, though? If we are talking about Tani still, it doesn't matter, he's 24, any non-friendly cap-ties him. ie. "was fielded in a match in an official competition at “A” international level" I think you might be thinking of u21s who can be cap-tied in 1 game if they "participated in any kind of football at “A” international level in the final tournament of the FIFA World Cup or a final tournament of a confederation competition." instead of having to play 4 games 74 Whitecap, Treppy2, Shway and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 The Copa would definitely be a cap-tying type of tournament. Just because it is in the Us and has some invited teams doesn’t negate the core identity of the tournament. Treppy2, Mihairokov, costarg and 4 others 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 5 hours ago, EJsens1 said: I’d be surprised if Tani was let go. I’d like to think they want to cap him and negate any possibility of him joining Nigeria. If we’re done heading into the Chile game for example, you wanna see him hit the field or maybe sooner depending on the form of others. Maybe I’m getting ahead of myself but let’s say he explodes as a player. Why risk it? That’s how I see it anyway I was thinking we'd let Tani go, also because Minnesota needs him and did us a favour by letting him be at the friendlies. But maybe they'll let Ugbo go because he has loan stuff to sort out. Would it be cynical to keep Tani and let Ike go, considering it'd look like cap tying is the priority? gigi riva 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
74 Whitecap Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 (edited) This month we have the 24 team Euro and the 16 team Copa. Out of the 40 teams playing in the two tournaments, 31 are in the top 40 per ELO ratings globally. Teams in the ELO top 40 not playing during the 'near World Cup in two parts' in the coming month: 16 Japan 20 Iran 25 Russia 27 Australia 27 Morocco 30 Senegal 35 Greece 36 South Korea 37 Norway Teams in the Euro/Copa that aren't in the top 40 ELO ratings: 41 Panama 42 Paraguay 47 Slovakia 48 Georgia 50 Romania 52 Jamaica 58 Albania 59 Costa Rica 62 Bolivia For reference, Canada's group is: 1 Argentina 34 Peru 39 Chile 40 Canada I would say our group is not ideal in terms of getting a W, but it is near ideal in setting up 3 very interesting matchups for us. Argentina because, hey, it is Argentina, and Peru and Chile because they are two teams we almost never play against that should be near our level of play, and that have quite different styles of play. It doesn't matter as much as normal due to being a host in 2026, but long term, getting our (FIFA, not ELO obviously) rating higher is so important to ensure we are a higher seed and get an easier draw for everything as a result. We see yet again with the Copa how the US and Mexico get an easier path due to their higher rating. Edited June 14 by 74 Whitecap Olympique_de_Marseille, costarg, Kadenge and 7 others 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 2 of our group opponents have friendlies today. All times ET. The Peru game is on TLN. 74 Whitecap, Vasi, johnyb and 4 others 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mihairokov Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Will definitely be watching Peru/El Salvador to see how they line up. and then watching Solomon Islands/Vanuatu at midnight who are definitely NOT top 40 ELO jhoops__ and kacbru 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Looks like today was arrival day. johnyb, InglewoodJack, Gian-Luca and 5 others 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 10 hours ago, 74 Whitecap said: It doesn't matter as much as normal due to being a host in 2026, but long term, getting our (FIFA, not ELO obviously) rating higher is so important to ensure we are a higher seed and get an easier draw for everything as a result. We see yet again with the Copa how the US and Mexico get an easier path due to their higher rating. I don't think the ratings mattered so much for the seeding here. Mexico is ranked below Uruguay. For the 2016 edition, Mexico and the US were ranked below 4 other teams but still put in pot 1. In a general sense, it will still matter for Canada of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Canuckia, Corazon, Olympique_de_Marseille and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 23 minutes ago, narduch said: Looks like today was arrival day. I see that Luc de F is there in one of the pics. Borjans Sweatpants, johnyb, Canuckia and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 5 minutes ago, Gian-Luca said: I see that Luc de F is there in one of the pics. And McGill Canuckia, WestHamCanadianinOxford, dyslexic nam and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 4 minutes ago, narduch said: And McGill Is that who is next to LDF? Don’t recognize that guy. WestHamCanadianinOxford and narduch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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