dyslexic nam Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 For me the biggest issue isn’t the personnel choices - it is the formation. Croatia overran us in midfield - if that happens again while we continue to play only 2 midfielders, that won’t look good on Herdman. king1010, Shway, canuckgbp and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 I knew exactly what nonsense I'd be reading on here as soon as I saw the info graphic with Kaye on it. There is no way that a midfield that does NOT include Staq and Hutch was also not going to have Kaye in it. Haven't any of you watched Herdman over the last 3 years? ob1, narduch and mpg_29 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 I guess I get benching David even though it's silly, but starting Kaye is one of Herdman's most insane roster choices. You're starting this guy at the World Cup??? jhoops__ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 1 minute ago, dyslexic nam said: For me the biggest issue isn’t the personnel choices - it is the formation. Croatia overran us in midfield - if that happens again while we continue to play only 2 midfielders, that won’t look good on Herdman. Seems Hoilett is pretty obviously a midfielder in this setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Seems like he's setting up to push the game forward again, but what we really may need is to grind out a boring game where neither team does much and we hopefully finish on one of our few chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckgbp Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 1 minute ago, jonovision said: I knew exactly what nonsense I'd be reading on here as soon as I saw the info graphic with Kaye on it. There is no way that a midfield that does NOT include Staq and Hutch was also not going to have Kaye in it. Haven't any of you watched Herdman over the last 3 years? Yet it was Kone who was trusted to come off the bench in the previous two games. And improved after both games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Whatever one thinks about the lineup choices (and I'm surprised by the hysterics of most here) this game needs an early Canada goal to have an any entertainment value at all. Otherwise Morocco only cares about the clean sheet to advance and plays the same negative stuff as their Croatia game and 1st half vs Belgium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 1 minute ago, canuckgbp said: Yet it was Kone who was trusted to come off the bench in the previous two games. And improved after both games. And Kone will almost certainly come off the bench in this one too. He has a role under Herdman that he seems to be comfortable with. Let him keep it for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckgbp Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 1 minute ago, jonovision said: Seems Hoilett is pretty obviously a midfielder in this setup. I hope this is the case. He really is a Swiss Army knife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 1 minute ago, jonovision said: Seems Hoilett is pretty obviously a midfielder in this setup. I am not watching the pregame (in a meeting…) but he could easily be an attacker in a front 3. Davies plays on the left and Hoilett generally on the right so I am not sure I agree that he is obviously in the midfield. But like I said, I am not watching the pregame so there could be info on TSN that contradicts what I am saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Just now, dyslexic nam said: I am not watching the pregame (in a meeting…) but he could easily be an attacker in a front 3. Davies plays on the left and Hoilett generally on the right so I am not sure I agree that he is obviously in the midfield. But like I said, I am not watching the pregame so there could be info on TSN that contradicts what I am saying. I don't see where there is room for Hoilett to play wide in a lineup that already includes Adekugbe, Davies and Buchanan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, InglewoodJack said: Those are certainly some lineup choices, that's for sure. Are they? I see very little surprises there. Kaye starting over Kone is hardly a shock, as we've seen lots of Kaye in qualifying. DAvid has been poor, and Hutch is 39. Everything makes sense to me. jonovision and rdb9ty 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkRegionFan Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 We have to remember that we need to rotate the squad. Kaye is probably the next best midfielder that we have. narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryker911 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 18 minutes ago, Gian-Luca said: Let’s hope the performance is better than the TSN pre game show which just spent 5 minutes ripping apart CSB…sigh If anyone has a link for this can they post it? dyslexic nam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckgbp Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 1 minute ago, RJB said: Are they? I see very little surprises there. Kaye starting over Kone is hardly a shock, as we've seen lots of Kaye in qualifying. DAvid has been poor, and Hutch is 39. Everything makes sense to me. I’m not surprised, just disappointed lol. Then again I’ve questioned Herdmans lineups all through qualifying and yet he has gotten the results. And he set up correctly against Belgium. jonovision 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lansdude Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Maybe Kaye looked good in training lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpg_29 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 It's the same thing as last game where people are complaining as if there some hidden DFM super talent on the roster that Herdman just doesn't see. Sal333 and rdb9ty 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Lansdude said: Maybe Kaye looked good in training lol. He did play well v Japan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 If if it is in fact Tajon and Adekugbe at wing back, it is probably to address the pace of Hakimi and Mazraoui. Junior is certainly better than he has been defensively so maybe he plays central and helps clog that up, leaving Larin and Davies as our forwards. The players I know the least about are their midfields either side of Amrabat, Ounahi and Sabiri, see how Kaye does as the primary defensive-minded midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeRo_Is_King Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 20 minutes ago, jonovision said: I knew exactly what nonsense I'd be reading on here as soon as I saw the info graphic with Kaye on it. There is no way that a midfield that does NOT include Staq and Hutch was also not going to have Kaye in it. Haven't any of you watched Herdman over the last 3 years? Doesn't make it the best choice. He could have gone with Kone, Wotherspoon or Piette, who are all in better form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingvikingstad Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 I think it's shocking not starting David. If you can't effectively use your second best player, it's an indictment on you as a Manager, not the player. Why make a point in a third game where there's not a lot to gain, and a lot to lose? Particularly for David who is looking to move to a potentially bigger club, which will only help the program overall. Unless this is some weird attempt at protecting his value. jhoops__ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 27 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said: For me the biggest issue isn’t the personnel choices - it is the formation. Croatia overran us in midfield - if that happens again while we continue to play only 2 midfielders, that won’t look good on Herdman. This! This! This! What makes it even worse, is that the entire qualifying seeing 3 guys in the middle was a certainty. So why did that change on the bigger stage. WestHamCanadianinOxford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 22 minutes ago, RJB said: Are they? I see very little surprises there. Kaye starting over Kone is hardly a shock, as we've seen lots of Kaye in qualifying. DAvid has been poor, and Hutch is 39. Everything makes sense to me. I'm fine with Atiba sitting- I get the David benching even though I think that's silly- he's still our biggest goal threat and anything can change in one game. Kaye is the one that I think is crazy- yes, he's played during qualifiers, but he hasn't been in form for the last while, and Kone has played at the World Cup. Hell, I think I'd rather see Piette starting to be honest. jhoops__ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 (edited) You cant play both Larin and David at the same. We have seen (in WCQ and in the WC) that they dont compliment each other. We saw it in the Honduras game at BMO and many other times. Each of those players is succesfull when they are alone up front. Edited December 1, 2022 by Free kick mpg_29 and The Real Marc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhoops__ Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, kingvikingstad said: I think it's shocking not starting David. If you can't effectively use your second best player, it's an indictment on you as a Manager, not the player. Why make a point in a third game where there's not a lot to gain, and a lot to lose? Particularly for David who is looking to move to a potentially bigger club, which will only help the program overall. Unless this is some weird attempt at protecting his value. Larin has been pretty shit for a while now so starting him over JD is quite the move for Herdman… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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