football_world Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 If Canada had a player like Messi, it would have made a huge difference against Croatia. Not saying we would have beat Croatia even if we had Messi, we may have still lost 4 goals, and maybe only scored 2 or 3 goals. But still, having someone like Messi on the field to confuse the Croatian defense, and break down the Croatian defense, is something that we don't have at the moment. Unnamed Trialist and yomurphy1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said: I still think Croatia will score. I have been impressed by their resiliency but giving up that second on the counter would have been massively deflating. But there are more goals in this match. Unnamed Trialist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Messi bring his meticulous self. He's a master, playing behind the strikers, defending. Choosing his moments. To be fair those were lucky bounces for Argentina on the 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 If Croatia sticks to the script, they could chip away at it. Argentina can't switch off like they did vs Holland. As an aside, two of the three largest supporter groups in the Cancùn resort where I stayed last week were Argentine and Croatian. The potential for booze fueled dumbass stupidity by these tourists seemed pretty high in the viewing theatre. I wonder if the local authorities upped the "securidad" with a more camo clad and weaponized presence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Other than vs Canada, Croatia have scored in the first 90 minutes of a match exactly once. They're done. 74 Whitecap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Croatia is so cooked. Argentina was not losing this game. 74 Whitecap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.D.I.D.A.S. Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Surely now, surely now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 19 minutes ago, InglewoodJack said: Croatia is so cooked. Argentina was not losing this game. They are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allez les Rouges Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Who eff'd who today? 74 Whitecap, YorkRegionFan and Kadenge 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
74 Whitecap Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 37 minutes ago, football_world said: If Canada had a player like Messi, it would have made a huge difference against Croatia. Not saying we would have beat Croatia even if we had Messi, we may have still lost 4 goals, and maybe only scored 2 or 3 goals. But still, having someone like Messi on the field to confuse the Croatian defense, and break down the Croatian defense, is something that we don't have at the moment. I'm going to have to agree that having Messi on the pitch would be helpful for Canada. I was on the fence, but that last goal settles it! I guess Croatia left it all on the pitch against Brazil, pretty feeble display today. Unnamed Trialist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 32 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said: Messi bring his meticulous self. He's a master, playing behind the strikers, defending. Choosing his moments. He sure did on the third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Allez les Rouges said: Who eff'd who today? I was hoping it would happen vs Brazil but I am happy with it today. Allez les Rouges, YorkRegionFan, lamptern and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkRegionFan Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 I am so glad Croatia is getting blown out. Their strutting after beating Canada made my teeth grind. Stanley, jonovision, 74 Whitecap and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Messi actually looked to the sky and said “this is for Herdman” after that third goal. Crazy jonovision, WestHamCanadianinOxford, rkomar and 5 others 2 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, 74 Whitecap said: I'm going to have to agree that having Messi on the pitch would be helpful for Canada. I was on the fence, but that last goal settles it! I guess Croatia left it all on the pitch against Brazil, pretty feeble display today. Both their elimination round games had to go to spot shots but so what, they're out. Terrible defending today, frankly: the young CB I like just got schooled by an all-time great. Argentina effed him. Now on to tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, 74 Whitecap said: I'm going to have to agree that having Messi on the pitch would be helpful for Canada. I was on the fence, but that last goal settles it! I guess Croatia left it all on the pitch against Brazil, pretty feeble display today. With our forward depth, who does he knock out? Not sure he has an automatic spot. dyslexic nam, 74 Whitecap and YorkRegionFan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Morocco is the underdog some would like to see in the finals e but the does of a France-Argentina (Mbappe-Messi) final is pretty sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 1 minute ago, InglewoodJack said: With our forward depth, who does he knock out? Not sure he has an automatic spot. Realistically Messi is a good option off the bench for Canada. GasPed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, InglewoodJack said: With our forward depth, who does he knock out? Not sure he has an automatic spot. He seems to be fine playing behind the strikers. I think Ugbo would combine well with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_world Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, 74 Whitecap said: I'm going to have to agree that having Messi on the pitch would be helpful for Canada. I was on the fence, but that last goal settles it! I guess Croatia left it all on the pitch against Brazil, pretty feeble display today. I assume you are being sarcastic, but there are actually people in the Canada vs Croatia thread that thought it was largely Herdman's fault that Canada lost. I'm of the opinion that unless Herdman or any other coach had played a "bunker" strategy, no coach, no matter how good they are, could have really found a way to beat Croatia with the talent that Canada has, playing a non bunker strategy (or not a very defensive strategy). I don't think Canada can beat the top European teams yet (unless a top European team plays way below their potential, a.k.a "Belgium"). Hope we get the talent one day, but we're not there yet. Still really proud of our boys for making the World Cup though and giving it all they have. Edited December 13, 2022 by football_world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said: Realistically Messi is a good option off the bench for Canada. I think Jonathan David would accept being sent to the bench for Messi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
74 Whitecap Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, football_world said: I assume you are being sarcastic, but there are actually people in the Canada vs Croatia thread that thought it was largely Herdman's fault that Canada lost. I'm of the opinion that unless Herdman or any other coach had played a "bunker" strategy, no coach, no matter how good they are, could have really found a way to beat Croatia with the talent that Canada has, playing a non bunker strategy (or a very defensive strategy). I don't think Canada can beat the top European teams yet (unless a top European team plays way below their potential, a.k.a "Belgium"). Hope we get the talent one day, but we're not there yet. Still really proud of our boys for making the World Cup though and giving it all they have. I wasn't meaning to poke fun, so much as just commenting on Messi's remarkable performance today. I certainly agree that the talent wasn't there against Croatia, especially with Staq hurt and Hutch on tired legs. It is both talent and depth - in a one off game our chances are better since we can press and have a high work rate and use all our best 11, but in a tournament, you need more strength/depth, especially if you don't go the Morocco/counter-attack route. But for all that, we should have been bunkering against Croatia, especially after we scored. Even Brazil should have been bunkering (edit: in the 2nd half of extra time) against Croatia, instead of giving up an odd man rush with 5 minutes left. Edited December 13, 2022 by 74 Whitecap lamptern and football_world 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_world Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Just now, 74 Whitecap said: I wasn't meaning to poke fun, so much as just commenting on Messi's remarkable performance today. I certainly agree that the talent wasn't there against Croatia, especially with Staq hurt and Hutch on tired legs. It is both talent and depth - in a one off game our chances are better since we can press and have a high work rate and use all our best 11, but in a tournament, you need more strength/depth, especially if you don't go the Morocco/counter-attack route. But for all that, we should have been bunkering against Croatia, especially after we scored. Even Brazil should have been bunkering against Croatia, instead of giving up an odd man rush with 5 minutes left. Ahh, alright. Haha, I read your tone wrong. Yup, I totally agree with you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_world Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Argentina vs France final please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
74 Whitecap Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 1 minute ago, football_world said: Argentina vs France final please! Yeah, I've been rooting for Morocco so far (except against us, obviously), but not this time, would love to see the marquee match-up in the final. football_world 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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