Chad_Impact Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/leagues-cup-2023-dates-and-structure-announced Thoughts? Seems weird to me narduch and Obinna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 15 minutes ago, Chad_Impact said: https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/leagues-cup-2023-dates-and-structure-announced Thoughts? Seems weird to me I hate it. Hope this thing dies Buchta and Obinna 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_M Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 its fine..draw after 90 goes straight to penalties which is more opportunities for players to take penalties in high pressure situations nfitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad_Impact Posted October 6, 2022 Author Share Posted October 6, 2022 (edited) Yeah...idk I'm not a fan What I really don't get is this basically undermines the CCL but then what you win is CCL spots Edited October 6, 2022 by Chad_Impact narduch and Obinna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 39 minutes ago, Chad_Impact said: Yeah...idk I'm not a fan What I really don't get is this basically undermines the CCL but then what you win is CCL spots They've basically ruined CCL too. Having as many as 8 Liga MX teams is ludicrous Chad_Impact 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 8 hours ago, narduch said: I hate it. Hope this thing dies The format or it's very existence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 I'm interested in it. Honestly, it's the same with any new tournament: if clubs take it seriously, fans will probably get on board. Last year I heard nothing but moaning from English reporters about the "Europa Conference League" and how "you're better off just getting out of it/not qualifying". But you know what? It was fun, and watching the final between Roma and Feyenoord, you could tell it meant a lot to both the clubs and fans. I sort of think that's what this will be too. nfitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Watchmen said: The format or it's very existence? Both lol Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM3/MM2/MM Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) If I read this correctly, the format will provide a lot of teams with a major break during the season (Guaranteed only 2 games). Edited October 7, 2022 by MM3/MM2/MM narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 1 minute ago, MM3/MM2/MM said: If I read this correctly, the format will provide a lot of teams with a major break the season (Guaranteed only 2 games). Basically the teams that finish 3rd in the Group will have weeks off. In the middle of the summer. During some of the Prime weather months. Chad_Impact, Jedi Ram and MM3/MM2/MM 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 1 hour ago, narduch said: Basically the teams that finish 3rd in the Group will have weeks off. In the middle of the summer. During some of the Prime weather months. Have you ever seen the weather in Texas in the summer? nfitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 1 hour ago, MM3/MM2/MM said: If I read this correctly, the format will provide a lot of teams with a major break during the season (Guaranteed only 2 games). That appears to be the main downside of the tournament. (Aside from those who'd prefer it not happen at all.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM3/MM2/MM Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Kingston said: That appears to be the main downside of the tournament. (Aside from those who'd prefer it not happen at all.) Unless you are a team with a bunch of mid-season injuries (and I'm not a big fan of the event0 narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 Haven't changed my opinion that it feels like a plastic competition intended to suck more dollars out of fans and bring Liga MX and MLS closer together. I strongly dislike it. As for the tournament format itself, I agree it seems weird. I don't like 3 team groups for starters, and I hate how they are shutting down both leagues to play this tournament. I really hate how games will mostly (completely?) be in MLS venues? I mean, we all know it's just a money-making scheme, but couldn't they at least make it a little less obvious? Everything about it is super lame and super unnecessary. Now we get to look forward to MLS employees try and convince us how important this tournament is going to be, which will no doubt be cringe worthy stuff. I hope and expect MLS teams to treat this with a low priority relative to the real competitions. narduch and Chad_Impact 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, Obinna said: Haven't changed my opinion that it feels like a plastic competition intended to suck more dollars out of fans and bring Liga MX and MLS closer together. I strongly dislike it. As for the tournament format itself, I agree it seems weird. I don't like 3 team groups for starters, and I hate how they are shutting down both leagues to play this tournament. I really hate how games will mostly (completely?) be in MLS venues? I mean, we all know it's just a money-making scheme, but couldn't they at least make it a little less obvious? Everything about it is super lame and super unnecessary. Now we get to look forward to MLS employees try and convince us how important this tournament is going to be, which will no doubt be cringe worthy stuff. I hope and expect MLS teams to treat this with a low priority relative to the real competitions. I think for Liga MX this is essentially pre season for their Clausura Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 18 minutes ago, narduch said: I think for Liga MX this is essentially pre season for their Clausura Good point. Another reason amongst many why teams aren't going to prioritize or value League Cup. I will actually feel better about it if they market it for what it is, rather than trying to give it a faux importance, but I don't expect that. narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 MLS priorities 1) Americans 2) Mexican Americans 3) Canadians Chad_Impact and Obinna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad_Impact Posted October 7, 2022 Author Share Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) What I can never understand is why we're creating all these terrible money-grab tournaments these days when there is one that could actually benefit world football...the club world cup. An expanded club world cup that actually has importance could be massive worldwide. Edited October 7, 2022 by Chad_Impact Obinna and narduch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chad_Impact said: What I can never understand is why we're creating all these terrible money-grab tournaments these days when there is one that could actually benefit world football...the club world cup. An expanded club world cup that actually has importance could be massive worldwide. Probably because it's a path of more resistance. Much easier to do something like Leagues Cup instead, even though I hate it. I would love an expanded club world cup though: Host country club champion UEFA Champions League winner UEFA Champions League runner up UEFA Champions League third place (create a game for SF losers) UEFA Europa League winner UEFA Europa League runner up UEFA Conference League winner Copa Libertadores winner Copa Libertadores runner up Copa Sud America winner CONCACAF CL winner CONCACAF CL runner up AFC Champions League winner AFC Champions League runner up CAF Champions League winner OFC winner/CAF Champions League runner up playoff (create a game here) How it would look for 2022 based on 2021-22 results: CF Montreal (Canada host) Real Madrid Liverpool Villarreal/Manchester City Eintracht Frankfurt Rangers FC AS Roma Palmeiras Flamengo Atletico Paranaense Seattle Sounders UNAM Al-Hilal Pohang Steelers Wydad Casablanca Auckland City/Al Ahly Pot 1: CF Montreal (Canada host) CAN Real Madrid ESP Palmeiras BRA Liverpool ENG Pot 2: Seattle Sounders USA Al-Hilal SUA Wydad Casablanca MOR Villarreal/Manchester City ESP/ENG Pot 3: Eintracht Frankfurt GER Flamengo BRA UNAM MEX Pohang Steelers SOU Pot 4: Rangers FC SCO Atletico Paranaense BRA AS Roma ITA Auckland City/Al Ahly NZL/EGP *Draw* Group A: CF Montreal (Canada host) €39.53m Al-Hilal €60.84m Eintracht Frankfurt €227.55m AS Roma €393.35m Group B: Real Madrid €837.50m Wydad Casablanca €16.35m Flamengo €149.25m Rangers FC €127.33m Group C Palmeiras €175.20m Villarreal/Manchester City €360.20m/€1.06bn UNAM €31.50m Auckland City/Al Ahly €4.00m/€28.93m Group D Liverpool €925.00m Seattle Sounders €50.50m Pohang Steelers €10.88m Atletico Paranaense €72.35m Edited October 7, 2022 by Obinna SpursFlu, narduch and Chad_Impact 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Obinna said: Probably because it's a path of more resistance. Much easier to do something like Leagues Cup instead, even though I hate it. I would love an expanded club world cup though: Host country club champion UEFA Champions League winner UEFA Champions League runner up UEFA Champions League third place (create a game for SF losers) UEFA Europa League winner UEFA Europa League runner up UEFA Conference League winner Copa Libertadores winner Copa Libertadores runner up Copa Sud America winner CONCACAF CL winner CONCACAF CL runner up AFC Champions League winner AFC Champions League runner up CAF Champions League winner OFC winner/CAF Champions League playoff winner (create a game here) How it would look for 2022 based on 2021-22 results: CF Montreal (Canada host) Real Madrid Liverpool Villarreal/Manchester City Eintracht Frankfurt Rangers FC AS Roma Palmeiras Flamengo Atletico Paranaense Seattle Sounders UNAM Al-Hilal Pohang Steelers Wydad Casablanca Auckland City/Al Ahly Pot 1: CF Montreal (Canada host) CAN Real Madrid ESP Palmeiras BRA Liverpool ENG Pot 2: Seattle Sounders USA Al-Hilal SUA Wydad Casablanca MOR Villarreal/Manchester City ESP/ENG Pot 3: Eintracht Frankfurt GER Flamengo BRA UNAM MEX Pohang Steelers SOU Pot 4: Rangers FC SCO Atletico Paranaense BRA AS Roma ITA Auckland City/Al Ahly NZL/EGP *Draw* Group A: CF Montreal (Canada host) €39.53m Al-Hilal €60.84m Eintracht Frankfurt €227.55m AS Roma €393.35m Group B: Real Madrid €837.50m Wydad Casablanca €16.35m Flamengo €149.25m Rangers FC €127.33m Group C Palmeiras €175.20m Villarreal/Manchester City €360.20m/€1.06bn UNAM €31.50m Auckland City/Al Ahly €4.00m/€28.93m Group D Liverpool €925.00m Seattle Sounders €50.50m Pohang Steelers €10.88m Atletico Paranaense €72.35m I'm just not big on the once every 4 years thing because now you have teams that may look nothing like the team that earned the right to participate. It would be cool but its a massive undertaking. I see yours is based on an annual concept but it's tough to find that much time in everyone's calendar I still believe the best and most realistic idea would to somehow find some connectivity between North and South American club football Even if you created a top 8 League coefficient and did a knockout in 1 location. Like an old school champions leage with just league champs. or CCL Copa Sud, Copa Libs, host in 1 location. Something like that. Anything seems more legitimate than this League Cup cash grab Edited October 7, 2022 by SpursFlu Obinna, Jedi Ram and nfitz 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 3 hours ago, Chad_Impact said: What I can never understand is why we're creating all these terrible money-grab tournaments these days when there is one that could actually benefit world football...the club world cup. An expanded club world cup that actually has importance could be massive worldwide. Probably because a) an expanded club world cup really only benefits the small clubs. All the big European clubs have enough lucrative stuff going on at home that they don't need to travel to some other continent to play some obscure little teams. And b) the small local teams do get to grab the money from this money grab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 Joke tournament. An MLS clubs winning doesn't really mean much when you don't have to worry about playing in Altitude at Azteca or facing the crowd in Monterrey. Joke tournament that means nothing. Another example of Americans incapable of sharing shit Chad_Impact, narduch and Goal_Kick 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, Ansem said: Joke tournament. An MLS clubs winning doesn't really mean much when you don't have to worry about playing in Altitude at Azteca or facing the crowd in Monterrey. Joke tournament that means nothing. Another example of Americans incapable of sharing shit The only purpose of this tournament is to extract money from Mexican-American soccer fans. It's convoluted. And bloated. I like what Obinna said. It's a plastic event Chad_Impact, Obinna and Ansem 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P-O Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 A trophy is a trophy. Fans want them Chad_Impact 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SthMelbRed Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 8 hours ago, P-O said: A trophy is a trophy. Fans want them Which ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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