RJB Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 5 hours ago, red card said: As posted in the General News thread, Deschamps had a pithy quote about this: Winning the World Cup is easier with 23 players than 26. https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/34641973 Maybe, but it seems silly to bring less than you are able to. It reminds me of Canada's hockey team at the 2002 Olympics. In the first game, they scratched Ed Jovanovski, even though they were allowed to dress him as roster limits were larger than NHL games. It was figured that it was easier to coach with the same number of players they were used to. They dressed everyone the next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 My updated 26 man squad of players who I would take on the plane to Qatar if I'm John Herdman and our coaching staff: GK- Milan Borjan, Maxime Crepeau and Dayne St Clair (3 goalkeepers) LB- Samuel Adekugbe (1 left back) CB- Steven Vitoria, Kamal Miller, Joel Waterman, Scott Kennedy and Derek Cornelius (5 center backs) RB- Alistair Johnston and Richie Laryea (2 right backs) DM- Stephen Eustaquio, Atiba Hutchinson and Samuel Piette (3 defensive midfielders) CM- Jonathan Osorio, Ismael Kone, David Wotherspoon and Mark Anthony Kaye (4 central midfielders) Wingers- Alphonso Davies, Tajon Buchanan, Junior Hoilett and Liam Millar (4 wingers) Strikers- Jonathan David, Ike Ugbo, Cyle Larin and Lucas Cavallini (4 strikers) Which makes up my 26 YorkRegionFan and Canuckia 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe MacCarthy Posted October 17, 2022 Author Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) nm Edited October 17, 2022 by Joe MacCarthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe MacCarthy Posted October 17, 2022 Author Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) nm Edited October 17, 2022 by Joe MacCarthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe MacCarthy Posted October 17, 2022 Author Share Posted October 17, 2022 Just revisting an old post and thought it was interesting. On June 14 2022, Platt and KJ included these players in their World Cup 26 roster: Doneil Henry CAN / Toronto FC Raheem Edwards USA / LA Galaxy Mark-Anthony Kaye CAN / Toronto FC Jonathan Osorio CAN / Toronto FC Liam Fraser BEL / Deinze Luca Koleosho SPA / Espanyol Their list excluded these players: Charles-Andreas Brym NED / FC Eindhoven Theo Corbeanu ENG / Blackpool FC Derek Cornelius GRE / Panetolikos (On the Bubble) Liam Millar SWI / FC Basel (Fringe Player) Joel Waterman CAN / CF Montréal David Wotherspoon SCO / St. Johnstone FC (27th Pick) Since those four months, does anybody have any comments on how the landscape (and players) may have changed in regards to who will be selected? mrtoddcan and TGAA_Star 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Joe MacCarthy said: Just revisting an old post and thought it was interesting. On June 14 2022, Platt and KJ included these players in their World Cup 26 roster: Doneil Henry CAN / Toronto FC Raheem Edwards USA / LA Galaxy Mark-Anthony Kaye CAN / Toronto FC Jonathan Osorio CAN / Toronto FC Liam Fraser BEL / Deinze Luca Koleosho SPA / Espanyol Their list excluded these players: Charles-Andreas Brym NED / FC Eindhoven Theo Corbeanu ENG / Blackpool FC Derek Cornelius GRE / Panetolikos (On the Bubble) Liam Millar SWI / FC Basel (Fringe Player) Joel Waterman CAN / CF Montréal David Wotherspoon SCO / St. Johnstone FC (27th Pick) Since those four months, does anybody have any comments on how the landscape (and players) may have changed in regards to who will be selected? It has definitely changed because Cornelius, Millar, Waterman and Wotherspoon will be selected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) GK Borjan, Crepeau, St Claire DF Vitoria, Miller, Cornelius, Kennedy, Waterman, Johnston, Adekugbe, Laryea MID Eustaquio, Piette, Kone, MAK, Wotherspoon, Arfield FWD Tajon, Davies, David, Millar, Ugbo, Corbeanu, Hoilett CF Larin, Cavallini I feel bad saying it but I don't see Osorio and Atiba there. I see Atiba doing the Beckham in South Africa thing and unfortunately if Osorio didn't Find a way to play down the stretch it must be something serious Edited October 17, 2022 by SpursFlu jhoops__ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Question related to this: does FIFA allow teams to name reserve players that can be brought in after the roster is announced? For injuries, for example, in the lead up to the first match? And until what moment can they be brought in? You'd think at minimum if a keeper went down you'd be able to call in another to cover, as the rules stipulate you must have 3 keepers. But for outfield players as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said: Question related to this: does FIFA allow teams to name reserve players that can be brought in after the roster is announced? For injuries, for example, in the lead up to the first match? And until what moment can they be brought in? You'd think at minimum if a keeper went down you'd be able to call in another to cover, as the rules stipulate you must have 3 keepers. But for outfield players as well? The 55-man preliminary roster has to have 4 keepers on it. It's from that 55-man roster that the final 26-man squad must be pulled, and FIFA allows injury substitutions up to 24 hours prior to a country's first match. Unnamed Trialist, johnyb and lamptern 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Just now, RS said: The 55-man preliminary roster has to have 4 keepers on it. It's from that 55-man roster that the final 26-man squad must be pulled, and FIFA allows injury substitutions up to 24 hours prior to a country's first match. Thanks. So that 55 -man roster is going to be interesting. Maybe that deserves a thread. Also: I don't think you have to fill the 55, so we could see less. I felt that Leutwiler would be the man for 4th keeper, since he came to call-ups and showed committment during qualifying. But he hasn't been playing, don't think. If he'd just had a few more games he'd be the one, knowing Herdman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said: Thanks. So that 55 -man roster is going to be interesting. Maybe that deserves a thread. Also: I don't think you have to fill the 55, so we could see less. I felt that Leutwiler would be the man for 4th keeper, since he came to call-ups and showed committment during qualifying. But he hasn't been playing, don't think. If he'd just had a few more games he'd be the one, knowing Herdman. Teams don't have to fill the 55, you are correct. It has to be a minimum of 35 players, but it makes sense to name the maximum amount. Preliminary rosters are due this Friday (Oct. 21). On a similar note, FIFA has mandated 23-26 man squads for Qatar, meaning a team could call only 23 if they want to. EDIT: I think Pantemis has the upper hand for that fourth GK spot on the preliminary squad, given his previous call-ups during early WCQ. Edited October 17, 2022 by RS lamptern, johnyb and Unnamed Trialist 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, RS said: Teams don't have to fill the 55, you are correct. It has to be a minimum of 35 players, but it makes sense to name the maximum amount. Preliminary rosters are due this Friday (Oct. 21). On a similar note, FIFA has mandated 23-26 man squads for Qatar, meaning a team could call only 23 if they want to. EDIT: I think Pantemis has the upper hand for that fourth GK spot on the preliminary squad, given his previous call-ups during early WCQ. I actually do feel you need the three, as you never know. But usually that third is there to train the team high intensity, in the service of the prep, and be part of the group. And could be a question of personality, true. Spain took Pepe Reina to the WC in 2010 mostly because they say he had a great positive personality and energized the group. Then there was a little detail: he has very good stats stopping penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 I was going to make a post about how silly our roster could look with 55 names, given we are not very deep relative to other countries. However, as I put together my list I realized I was sadly mistaken. I originally had at least 6-7 CPL guys, but after overlooking a player here, another player there, I was able to compile 55 names without using a single player from the Canadian Premier League, and that's impressive because there are some very deserving guys playing there. You could easily go with a Pacius over a Ricketts (he's got brodcasting responsibilities, anyhow), or a Tabla over a L.Petrasso. Even as I write this I realize I overlooked Godinho (pretty decent season) and Ennin (not officially part of the pool, but we know he's been monitored), and lord knows who else I overlooked here. Anyways, I guess the take-away is that Canada (despite being less deep than other teams) is far stronger and deeper than we've ever been. Yay for that! Can't wait for the list to come out (still looking forward to seeing Arfield listed this site subsequently crashing!) Borjan Crepeau St. Clair Vitoria Henry Johnston Miller Kennedy Cornelius Adekugbe Laryea Eustaquio Hutchinson Osorio Piette Kone Kaye Wotherspoon Davies Buchanan Hoilett Millar Ugbo David Larin Cavallini Pantemis Hasal Breza Waterman MacNaughton Brault-Guillard Abzi Edwards Gutierrez Marshall-Rutty Farsi Thompson Fraser Loturi Metcalfe Choniere Teibert Kerr Nelson Corbeanu Koleosho L.Petrasso Shaffelburg Brym Akinola Bair Russell-Rowe Ricketts Akindele narduch, nolando, Nello and 5 others 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe MacCarthy Posted October 18, 2022 Author Share Posted October 18, 2022 The first post in this thread was derived from the 60 man provisional roster for the Gold Cup just over a year ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 On 10/17/2022 at 3:59 AM, Joe MacCarthy said: Just revisting an old post and thought it was interesting. On June 14 2022, Platt and KJ included these players in their World Cup 26 roster: Doneil Henry CAN / Toronto FC Raheem Edwards USA / LA Galaxy Mark-Anthony Kaye CAN / Toronto FC Jonathan Osorio CAN / Toronto FC Liam Fraser BEL / Deinze Luca Koleosho SPA / Espanyol Their list excluded these players: Charles-Andreas Brym NED / FC Eindhoven Theo Corbeanu ENG / Blackpool FC Derek Cornelius GRE / Panetolikos (On the Bubble) Liam Millar SWI / FC Basel (Fringe Player) Joel Waterman CAN / CF Montréal David Wotherspoon SCO / St. Johnstone FC (27th Pick) Since those four months, does anybody have any comments on how the landscape (and players) may have changed in regards to who will be selected? Fraser would be out. Didn't get called up for this window and wasn't called up for another WCQ cycle this year. I think that is telling. Even with returning from injury, Kaye's form to finish the season was disconcerting and, like the other MLS guys (excluding a deep playoff run by Montreal), he doesn't have any more club action to find the groove. lamptern, Shway and mrtoddcan 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamptern Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 On 10/18/2022 at 8:51 AM, BearcatSA said: Fraser would be out. Didn't get called up for this window and wasn't called up for another WCQ cycle this year. I think that is telling. Even with returning from injury, Kaye's form to finish the season was disconcerting and, like the other MLS guys (excluding a deep playoff run by Montreal), he doesn't have any more club action to find the groove. This is the reason I am watching them closely a while back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) My Qatar 26-man Squad Prediction:Goalkeepers: 1. Borjan 2. Crepeau 3. St. ClairDefenders: 4. Vitoria 5. Miller 6. Adekugbe 7. Laryea 8. Johnston 9. Edwards 10. Kennedy 11. Corneilius 12. Henry* (Waterman) Midifielders: 13. Eustaqiuo 14. Osorio* (Arfield) 15. Kone 16. Piette 17. Huthchinson* (Wotherspoon) 18. Kaye Forwards: 19. Davies 20. David 21. Larin 22. Hoilett 23. Cavallini 24. Buchanan 25. Ugbo 26. Corbeanu If 2 of Osorio and Hutchinson are injured, I wouldn't be surprised to see Arfield return. As much as I've been against his glory and praise, it would really stupid to not figure things out with a depleted midfield. Edited October 21, 2022 by Shway mrtoddcan, WestHamCanadianinOxford and Obinna 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, Shway said: My Qatar 26-man Squad Prediction:Goalkeepers: 1. Borjan 2. Crepeau 3. St. ClairDefenders: 4. Vitoria 5. Miller 6. Adekugbe 7. Laryea 8. Johnston 9. Edwards 10. Kennedy 11. Corneilius 12. Henry Midifielders: 13. Eustaqiuo 14. Osorio 15. Kone 16. Piette 17. Huthchinson 18. Kaye Forwards: 19. Davies 20. David 21. Larin 22. Hoilett 23. Cavallini 24. Buchanan 25. Ugbo 26. Corbeanu For me Really hate to do it to either but Waterman for Henry or Cornelius. Need a right foot in there. Maybe for Kennedy but he seems a lock. Millar for Edwards. Enough cover on the left, Laryea can switch over or if we are somehow protecting a lead, Davies can move back (shock horror at playing a world class left back in his position). Millar offer something different than Corbeanu of the bench. Hopefully the midfield is fit. mrtoddcan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 18 minutes ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said: For me Really hate to do it to either but Waterman for Henry or Cornelius. Need a right foot in there. Maybe for Kennedy but he seems a lock. Millar for Edwards. Enough cover on the left, Laryea can switch over or if we are somehow protecting a lead, Davies can move back (shock horror at playing a world class left back in his position). Millar offer something different than Corbeanu of the bench. Hopefully the midfield is fit. Edwards would be cover for Adekugbe. With all the defenders I rather go with the better attacker imo in Corbeanu. I think he’s more decisive going forward as a late option and don’t need the two-wayness that Millar brings over him because of the defensive options. TBH I’m still trying to figure out what Millars best attributes are in the CMNT. I don’t believe in two-way/guys who just get up and down players at international levels. I get Waterman, but it would be hard to believe that we need a right footed CB that has never played in the squad. I don’t even think Henry will play, so Waterman would be a deep bench replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 On 10/21/2022 at 10:58 AM, Shway said: My Qatar 26-man Squad Prediction:Goalkeepers: 1. Borjan 2. Crepeau 3. St. ClairDefenders: 4. Vitoria 5. Miller 6. Adekugbe 7. Laryea 8. Johnston 9. Edwards 10. Kennedy 11. Corneilius 12. Henry* (Waterman) Midifielders: 13. Eustaqiuo 14. Osorio* (Arfield) 15. Kone 16. Piette 17. Huthchinson* (Wotherspoon) 18. Kaye Forwards: 19. Davies 20. David 21. Larin 22. Hoilett 23. Cavallini 24. Buchanan 25. Ugbo 26. Corbeanu If 2 of Osorio and Hutchinson are injured, I wouldn't be surprised to see Arfield return. As much as I've been against his glory and praise, it would really stupid to not figure things out with a depleted midfield. Out of this 26 if Osorio is still injured, I would replace him with Wotherspoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 But speculation on the final squad especially now after injuries and players' current form, as far as the 26 players Herdman takes to Qatar in 9 days: Goalkeepers- Milan Borjan (1st choice), Dayne St Clair (2nd choice due to Crepeau injury), Thomas Hasal (3rd choice) Fullbacks- Alistair Johnston, Samuel Adekugbe, Richie Laryea (3) Center Backs- Steven Vitoria, Doneil Henry, Joel Waterman, Kamal Miller, Derek Cornelius (5) Central Midfielders- Stephen Eustaquio, Samuel Piette, Ismael Kone, Mark Anthony Kaye, Jonathan Osorio, Atiba Hutchinson (6) Wingers- Alphonso Davies, Tajon Buchanan, Junior Hoilett, Liam Millar, Charles-Andre Brym (wild card pick) (5) Strikers- Jonathan David, Cyle Larin, Ike Ugbo, Lucas Cavallini (4) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkRegionFan Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 6 hours ago, TGAA_Star said: But speculation on the final squad especially now after injuries and players' current form, as far as the 26 players Herdman takes to Qatar in 9 days: Goalkeepers- Milan Borjan (1st choice), Dayne St Clair (2nd choice due to Crepeau injury), Thomas Hasal (3rd choice) Fullbacks- Alistair Johnston, Samuel Adekugbe, Richie Laryea (3) Center Backs- Steven Vitoria, Doneil Henry, Joel Waterman, Kamal Miller, Derek Cornelius (5) Central Midfielders- Stephen Eustaquio, Samuel Piette, Ismael Kone, Mark Anthony Kaye, Jonathan Osorio, Atiba Hutchinson (6) Wingers- Alphonso Davies, Tajon Buchanan, Junior Hoilett, Liam Millar, Charles-Andre Brym (wild card pick) (5) Strikers- Jonathan David, Cyle Larin, Ike Ugbo, Lucas Cavallini (4) I would pick this roster, except substitute Wotherspoon for Brym. lamptern and TGAA_Star 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Borjan, St Clair, Pantemis Adekugbe, Cornelius, Henry (or Waterman, if Doneil is out with injury), Miller, Johnston, Vitoria, Laryea Eustaquio, Fraser, Hoilett, Hutchinson, Kaye, Kone, Osorio, Piette, Wotherspoon Buchanan, Cavallini, David, Davies, Larin, Millar, Ugbo I spent too much thinking about the last 2 or 3 guys on the roster, and we've probably spent too much time discussing it, when in reality there's no chance they'll play a meaningful minute. JAVIERF, johnyb and YorkRegionFan 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkRegionFan Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 13 hours ago, jonovision said: Borjan, St Clair, Pantemis Adekugbe, Cornelius, Henry (or Waterman, if Doneil is out with injury), Miller, Johnston, Vitoria, Laryea Eustaquio, Fraser, Hoilett, Hutchinson, Kaye, Kone, Osorio, Piette, Wotherspoon Buchanan, Cavallini, David, Davies, Larin, Millar, Ugbo I spent too much thinking about the last 2 or 3 guys on the roster, and we've probably spent too much time discussing it, when in reality there's no chance they'll play a meaningful minute. After the Bahrain game, I believe that Fraser has earned the final spot over Waterman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, jonovision said: Borjan, St Clair, Pantemis Adekugbe, Cornelius, Henry (or Waterman, if Doneil is out with injury), Miller, Johnston, Vitoria, Laryea Eustaquio, Fraser, Hoilett, Hutchinson, Kaye, Kone, Osorio, Piette, Wotherspoon Buchanan, Cavallini, David, Davies, Larin, Millar, Ugbo I spent too much thinking about the last 2 or 3 guys on the roster, and we've probably spent too much time discussing it, when in reality there's no chance they'll play a meaningful minute. I'm 100% so far, assuming Hoilett gets listed with the forward group. Edit: OK, what do I win? Edited November 13, 2022 by jonovision mrtoddcan, WestHamCanadianinOxford and johnyb 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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