Floortom Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 1 minute ago, A_Gagne said: Hmm... thanks for this. Didn't know it was standard for athletes (at least in basketball) to have their teams foot the tax bill. It makes sense though in a globalized sport to negotiate with players on net (post-tax) income. That would make it simpler for the player to make a decision say for instance if they were evaluating a 1M EURO contract from a Swedish vs a Greek club. A club cant foot a player's tax bill - thats illegal. Whatever the player is paid will be taxable income for the player. Doesnt matter if you call it "gross" or "net", the Government gets its take. narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 I put my money on the actual numbers being bullshit. Players just wanted Bontis out and a major shake up to end the incompetence and corruption. narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 Amazing podcast - a must listen Sal333 and prairiecanuck 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 1 minute ago, SpecialK said: Amazing podcast - a must listen Thought it wasn't very deep to be honest Stryker911 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 1 hour ago, ensco said: Bontis leaving town is inexplicable, unless he has lost his job. The team is in the biggest crisis in its history, the players are all there, they have a game Thursday there… and he leaves? Although the only way this gets done is without Bontis or Cochran in the room, it seems to me. Isn't his CSA position volunteer and unpaid? He probably had to get back to his real job h coach, JohnnyFranchise, johnyb and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornerkick Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Big_M said: CSA is exempt, not players...players want the equivalent of 40% after taxes which is closer to 80% pre tax yes, this is income that players are receiving and subject to the whatever rates apply to this sort of income. I still wonder if the govt could provide a one time exemption on taxes from this Fifa payout, in exchange for some much needed changes at CSA, and to bring back a sense of solidarity and unity going into Qatar. If there's any leverage the govt has, it's via this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Green Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, cornerkick said: yes, this is income that players are receiving and subject to the whatever rates apply to this sort of income. I still wonder if the govt could provide a one time exemption on taxes from this Fifa payout, in exchange for some much needed changes at CSA, and to bring back a sense of solidarity and unity going into Qatar. If there's any leverage the govt has, it's via this. That would require the government to care about this much more than they probably do. Mattd97 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 9 minutes ago, cornerkick said: yes, this is income that players are receiving and subject to the whatever rates apply to this sort of income. I still wonder if the govt could provide a one time exemption on taxes from this Fifa payout, in exchange for some much needed changes at CSA, and to bring back a sense of solidarity and unity going into Qatar. If there's any leverage the govt has, it's via this. Less than zero chance; if it got out to the public (which it should), the Iranian situation would be child's play relatively speaking. And the majority of the general public don't really care about soccer anyways. keysersoze, JohnnyFranchise, canucksfan and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 Our government has done well in this whole situation. They've managed to convince the average Canadian that the CSA needs to get tougher on Iran Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruud Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 28 minutes ago, CanadaFan123 said: Can they? Why stop there? Why is it just split equally between the men and women then? Why not include the para squad? That’s why I said reasonable people can disagree! It’s not straightforward by any stretch. They should have been studying and reviewing the implications of the US deal the moment it was released if not sooner. And what applies in Canadian context or labor and employment practices. canucksfan, johnyb and JohnnyFranchise 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruud Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, CanadaFan123 said: Can they? Why stop there? Why is it just split equally between the men and women then? Why not include the para And youth squads. Edited June 6, 2022 by Ruud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauditYvon Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 Why did they accept the call up if it was to do that? Seriously? keysersoze, Floortom, JohnnyFranchise and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aird25 Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 47 minutes ago, SpecialK said: Amazing podcast - a must listen So why didn't we play yesterday? JohnnyFranchise 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Aird25 said: So why didn't we play yesterday? Because these players are not gonna take the CSA shit. They have balls and they know they are superstars. Edited June 6, 2022 by SpecialK TOcanadafan and Sal333 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, Aird25 said: So why didn't we play yesterday? Because the players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, SpecialK said: Because these players are gonna take the CSA shit. They have balls and they know they are superstars. This seems like something I would post on here completely tongue-in-cheek Admiral Murray, keysersoze and Obinna 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 10 minutes ago, Aird25 said: So why didn't we play yesterday? The players had some leverage and were going to use it to try and renegotiate a deal they would have cut years previously, because they think CSA is giving them the shaft. All the explayers say its decided before qualifying. Walking out in WCQ or nations league will have serious penalties, this is also bad, but it needs to be bad from their perspective for the threat of a walkout to have any teeth, to make any changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prairiecanuck Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 (edited) My concern is who came up with the proposal the players presented to the CBA. When you talk about labour negotiations the MLB that just went through one has the MLBPA. They are stocked with lawyers and accountants who know and understand the business economics to come up with these proposals. Who were the lawyers and accountants that put this proposal together for the players, or did the players just have a few pints and come up with it on their own. It's entirely possible there proposal is unreasonable and was put together with a lack of understanding of certain issues. There needs to be clear communication, which is on the CSA. They need to get something hammered out. Edited June 6, 2022 by prairiecanuck keysersoze and johnyb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauditYvon Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 I really don’t get why people compare this to a club/league situation… first, players there never express a demand in percentage (except for promotion/relegation). keysersoze 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauditYvon Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 And second, they don’t even have unions (except for MLSers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 In regards to our faith in the CSA The CSA needs to remember that "it's a slogan - not a dare" The Beaver 2.0 and narduch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanMetropole Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 Obinna, Kent, Free kick and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 So is there a 160% chance we'll be playing some football Thursday evening or should I find something else to do? narduch, Canuckia and prairiecanuck 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floortom Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 1 hour ago, MauditYvon said: Why did they accept the call up if it was to do that? Seriously? I've been stating this since yesterday. If they were serious about not playing they should have never accepted the call up. No matter how incompetent and bungling the CSA is, the players' decision to announce they would not play on the day of the match was a huge slap in the face to the fans. They could have simply stayed home and accomplished the same thing without screwing over the fans MauditYvon, keysersoze, The Real Marc and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally McCoist Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 This is so stupid. You couldn't have "resumed the road to Qatar" yesterday and decided to boycott these training days leading up to Curacao instead? keysersoze 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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