narduch Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Does the Heritage Committee even give a shit about this anymore? Bison44, zeelaw and Ivan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 33 minutes ago, narduch said: Does the Heritage Committee even give a shit about this anymore? Seems Housefather has found another cause to keep his face in the press and away from his constituents, so probably not narduch and ray 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, TripleA said: Just an FYI for those interested in the report: "For clarity, this review is not meant to be a governance or financial audit, an investigation on CS’s governance including the issues revealed in the course of the review such as the Canada Soccer Business’s agreement (“CSB”), the National Teams’ Collective Bargaining Agreements (“CBA”), other legal issues, nor does this review cover the assessment of historical governance related facts or issues including the facts that led to the change of leadership at CS at the 2023 AMM (for both the President and General Secretary)." I haven't read the report, but I imagine that quote continues on with something like this. "This is just meant to tick a box to appease the government, without actually accomplishing anything meaningful." Gian-Luca, johnyb and Ivan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 2 minutes ago, Kent said: I haven't read the report, but I imagine that quote continues on with something like this. "This is just meant to tick a box to appease the government, without actually accomplishing anything meaningful." Wonder what that "tick a box" report cost the CSA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Kent said: I haven't read the report, but I imagine that quote continues on with something like this. "This is just meant to tick a box to appease the government, without actually accomplishing anything meaningful." It's not difficult to access the actual report and give it a speed read before sounding off about it: https://cdn.uc.assets.prezly.com/4a86c54b-6b89-46df-a054-7bd4acb0e264/-/inline/no/LBB Strategies - Canada Soccer Governance Review - final report - 03-05-2024.pdf It's basically a case of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted given top officeholders have already signed away up to 20 years of key revenue streams without proper board oversight but making sure there are no future fiascos like that is far from a waste of time. Edited June 14 by Ozzie_the_parrot Aird25 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red card Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 The recommendations won't be new to seasoned members on this forum. There is a power imbalance amongst Canada Soccer Members due to the voting structure and having non-CS nominated Regional Directors. CS Members want more control of the Board but it should be independent. Members Council role should be more of an advisory role There are too many Board of Directors to make agile and responsive decisions. Board needs to be less involved in operations. Board's involvement in hiring national team managers should be removed. Board shouldn't be involved with CBA & CSB talks. Board nominations committee needs more levers to better vet applicants. Need an Athletes Committee or National Teams Committee. Need a strategy roadmap. Need better communication and transparency re finances and decision-making. Most interesting tidbits: Not all stakeholders were experienced, knowledgeable, and versed in governance. The interview findings included a range of current and sometimes historical and conflicting perspectives. The LBB report disagrees with stakeholders view that the Board lacks business, experience, governance and football acumen. The interviewees were of the view that if the selected GS doesn’t have a soccer background, a strong technical leader shall be part of CS’s management team. LBB believes that CS shall have a “Chief Sport Officer” or similar that reports to the GS (and not the Board). LBB believes that the current staff team provides good leadership from grassroots to high performance. The interviewees didn’t provide enough insights or evidence of what happened in the Board room. In the absence of a GS or CEO, LBB found the Board was very prudent and exercising too much control to avoid any possible risks which refrained it from entrusting the staff and caused a lack of responsiveness, and timeliness. On the fiduciary duty, some interviewees perceived that the Board might have not always favoured CS’s interests. LBB has no evidence of that assumption or perception, but the construct of the Board with Regional Directors and the unbalanced memberships voting structure may explain the perception/potential of bias or conflicts. The Board has adopted a practice asking all Directors to sign a declaration of conflicts before all Board meetings. LBB doesn't believe it’s necessary to request a written declaration of conflicts before each meeting. LBB analyzed the onboarding materials provided by CS which consisted of a deck. This is clearly minimal and insufficient to be considered as a comprehensive onboarding package. LBB learned that the current strategic plan was developed by the former President without meaningful engagement from the Members or the employees. The consensus amongst the interviewees is very clear: CS lacks a vision and a strategy for soccer in Canada and CS’s stakeholders and Members don’t feel engaged or connected to that strategy. No real strategic objectives related to the opportunities associated with the hosting and legacy of the FIFA World Cup were developed. Stakeholders noticed an improvement in the communication and transparency from the CS’s Board and leadership, including when the interim GS was in position and recently since the arrival of the new GS. LBB has noted significant improvement in terms of financial communication, in the first few days of the new GS office. The issues that CS faced such as the GS transition, the CSB renegotiation and the CBAs were used as weapons by those who wanted to criticize the organization, often without enough information to make evidence-based opinion. If the Board would have had been more transparent and informative, this would have helped mitigate criticisms or the “weaponizing” syndrome. Trois Reds, johnyb, Ivan and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 21 minutes ago, red card said: The recommendations won't be new to seasoned members on this forum. There is a power imbalance amongst Canada Soccer Members due to the voting structure and having non-CS nominated Regional Directors. CS Members want more control of the Board but it should be independent. Members Council role should be more of an advisory role There are too many Board of Directors to make agile and responsive decisions. Board needs to be less involved in operations. Board's involvement in hiring national team managers should be removed. Board shouldn't be involved with CBA & CSB talks. Board nominations committee needs more levers to better vet applicants. Need an Athletes Committee or National Teams Committee. Need a strategy roadmap. Need better communication and transparency re finances and decision-making. Most interesting tidbits: Not all stakeholders were experienced, knowledgeable, and versed in governance. The interview findings included a range of current and sometimes historical and conflicting perspectives. The LBB report disagrees with stakeholders view that the Board lacks business, experience, governance and football acumen. The interviewees were of the view that if the selected GS doesn’t have a soccer background, a strong technical leader shall be part of CS’s management team. LBB believes that CS shall have a “Chief Sport Officer” or similar that reports to the GS (and not the Board). LBB believes that the current staff team provides good leadership from grassroots to high performance. The interviewees didn’t provide enough insights or evidence of what happened in the Board room. In the absence of a GS or CEO, LBB found the Board was very prudent and exercising too much control to avoid any possible risks which refrained it from entrusting the staff and caused a lack of responsiveness, and timeliness. On the fiduciary duty, some interviewees perceived that the Board might have not always favoured CS’s interests. LBB has no evidence of that assumption or perception, but the construct of the Board with Regional Directors and the unbalanced memberships voting structure may explain the perception/potential of bias or conflicts. The Board has adopted a practice asking all Directors to sign a declaration of conflicts before all Board meetings. LBB doesn't believe it’s necessary to request a written declaration of conflicts before each meeting. LBB analyzed the onboarding materials provided by CS which consisted of a deck. This is clearly minimal and insufficient to be considered as a comprehensive onboarding package. LBB learned that the current strategic plan was developed by the former President without meaningful engagement from the Members or the employees. The consensus amongst the interviewees is very clear: CS lacks a vision and a strategy for soccer in Canada and CS’s stakeholders and Members don’t feel engaged or connected to that strategy. No real strategic objectives related to the opportunities associated with the hosting and legacy of the FIFA World Cup were developed. Stakeholders noticed an improvement in the communication and transparency from the CS’s Board and leadership, including when the interim GS was in position and recently since the arrival of the new GS. LBB has noted significant improvement in terms of financial communication, in the first few days of the new GS office. The issues that CS faced such as the GS transition, the CSB renegotiation and the CBAs were used as weapons by those who wanted to criticize the organization, often without enough information to make evidence-based opinion. If the Board would have had been more transparent and informative, this would have helped mitigate criticisms or the “weaponizing” syndrome. Pretty much what 95 % of us on this board thought would come out, minus the 5 % anti- CPL/CSB agenda trumpeter(s) and "stakeholder" worshippers. Just one question @red card, sorry, what is LBB? narduch and johnyb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 6 minutes ago, Ivan said: Pretty much what 95 % of us on this board thought would come out, minus the 5 % anti- CPL/CSB agenda trumpeter(s) and "stakeholder" worshippers. Just one question @red card, sorry, what is LBB? LBB Strategies appears to be the organization that issued the independent report. They should be careful, the women’s team is likely to sue them next. Ivan and johnyb 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kacbru Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 In the lead up to Euros, Sport Today on the BBC was reporting how the Danish men refused their bonuses to support parity with their women. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c3gg30gvqpgo narduch, canucksfan, nolando and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) Mediapro settled with CSB and are closing up shop in Canada. So technically the rights for the CANMNT matches are available again. https://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/canadian-soccer-business-media-partner-dispute-settle-lawsuit-1.7238686?__vfz=medium%3Dshareba Will TSN step up? Lol Edited June 18 by narduch PegCityCam, johnyb, Metro and 1 other 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red card Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 USSF will not be paying the US men's Olympic team while each on the women's Olympic team will receive payments as per CBA: $10k per-game + $12k more for each win or $4k for each tie. And $36k for gold medal, $24k for the silver or $8k for the bronze. The reason is USSF considers the men's Olympic squad an amateur youth team like the U-17 or U-20 sides. Those teams don't get paid for participating in international competitions on either the men's or women's side. Ironically, Zimmerman is part of the men's Olympic team as he was integral behind the scenes in securing the joint CBA with the women's senior team that equalized World Cup prize money for both squads. https://www.foxsports.com/stories/soccer/sources-u-s-mens-olympic-soccer-team-wont-paid-paris-games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masster Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 While I am happy that our Copa America performances haven't been overshadowed by the business side of the game...at the same time I am a little bit surprised that we haven't heard anything at all. No follow up article by Westhead on this? https://www.tsn.ca/national-team-success-could-compound-canada-soccer-s-financial-woes-1.2091802 What are the Copa America prize payouts? How much will the association make from the team getting to the quarterfinals? What is the players cut? Is this success a NET benefit? Or as Westhead speculated, is it a financial drag on the CSA resources? Kent, Ivan, jhoops__ and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastPros Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 10 minutes ago, masster said: While I am happy that our Copa America performances haven't been overshadowed by the business side of the game...at the same time I am a little bit surprised that we haven't heard anything at all. No follow up article by Westhead on this? https://www.tsn.ca/national-team-success-could-compound-canada-soccer-s-financial-woes-1.2091802 What are the Copa America prize payouts? How much will the association make from the team getting to the quarterfinals? What is the players cut? Is this success a NET benefit? Or as Westhead speculated, is it a financial drag on the CSA resources? Quarter-finalists: $2 million Fourth place: $4 million Third place: $5 million Runner-up: $7 million Winner: $16 million Kingston, Cheeta, johnyb and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 5 hours ago, PastPros said: Quarter-finalists: $2 million Fourth place: $4 million Third place: $5 million Runner-up: $7 million Winner: $16 million Just learnt there is a third-place match, did not know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkRegionFan Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 Does all the prize money go to the players or is it the CSA and players split the amount?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhoops__ Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 It’s definitely split but we don’t know the % Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 13 hours ago, PastPros said: Quarter-finalists: $2 million Fourth place: $4 million Third place: $5 million Runner-up: $7 million Winner: $16 million $40M in US prize money (plus appearance fees). Not bad. johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aird25 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 13 hours ago, PastPros said: Quarter-finalists: $2 million Fourth place: $4 million Third place: $5 million Runner-up: $7 million Winner: $16 million Isn't there an appearance sum for all teams too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 4 hours ago, YorkRegionFan said: Does all the prize money go to the players or is it the CSA and players split the amount?? Oh Geeez, not his merry go round again. CSA should get it and help found the youth programs or make sure the men have a decent home friendly to capitalize on the little buzz they have going. YorkRegionFan and johnyb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 1 hour ago, Aird25 said: Isn't there an appearance sum for all teams too? Yes. Every team gets $2 million just for showing up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 1 hour ago, Bison44 said: Oh Geeez, not his merry go round again. CSA should get it and help found the youth programs or make sure the men have a decent home friendly to capitalize on the little buzz they have going. You can make of it what you will, but the Westhead article indicated there's already an agreement in place for this, with players getting a $9k bonus for wins right now. Doesn't mean the WC funds are resolved (or that there's an agreement in place for 2026), only that this tournament seems to be resolved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 17 hours ago, PastPros said: Quarter-finalists: $2 million Fourth place: $4 million Third place: $5 million Runner-up: $7 million Winner: $16 million So the Venezuela game is worth at least $2 million. johnyb and Unnamed Trialist 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 So, 23x9000, 207,000 win bonus, but we get an extra 2mil for getting to the quarters. So mb a nice chunk of change to fill the csa coffers? On a more snarky, petty note, did anyone else notice Westhead doing the player profile, human interest stories on TSN?? I thought he was mainly a business of soccer guy...me thinks the cuts at TSN went a little too deep. YorkRegionFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red card Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 5 hours ago, Watchmen said: You can make of it what you will, but the Westhead article indicated there's already an agreement in place for this, with players getting a $9k bonus for wins right now. Doesn't mean the WC funds are resolved (or that there's an agreement in place for 2026), only that this tournament seems to be resolved. The 9k/player payout for a win is part of the standard matchday payout. Every player gets x amount for being on squad and then bonus money for tie/win. As with Qatar, Copa prize monies split with CSA still needs to be settled including if the men will agree to a 50/50 split with the women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnyb Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 On 7/2/2024 at 7:56 AM, YorkRegionFan said: Does all the prize money go to the players or is it the CSA and players split the amount?? All the prize money goes to the CSA. CSA then chooses how to divide it up. There will never be enough prize money to make everyone happy. Bigandy, ray and YorkRegionFan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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