Qatar Roster Selection

[TGAA_Star]

19 minutes ago, apbsmith said:

My understanding is that it is all 21 C acclimatized stadiums, unless I either dreamt that or read it wrong.

2026 when it is back here in North America in USA, Mexico and Canada the weather in all stadiums for all 3 countries will definitely be much better than what we get in Qatar

[narduch]

25 minutes ago, apbsmith said:

My understanding is that it is all 21 C acclimatized stadiums, unless I either dreamt that or read it wrong.

That's a lie they told to win the bid.

There's a reason the tournament was moved to late November. 

[apbsmith]

3 hours ago, narduch said:

That's a lie they told to win the bid.

There's a reason the tournament was moved to late November. 

Aaaahhhh alright, thanks. 

Let's just say, I am not surprised.

[TGAA_Star]

Or another final squad you could go with to Qatar in November (23 players)

GK- Borjan, Crepeau, St Clair

LB- Davies, Adekugbe

CB- Kennedy, Miller, Vitoria, Henry

RB- Laryea, Johnston

CDM- Eustaquio, Piette

CM- Kaye, Osorio, Hutchinson 

LW/RW- Buchanan, Hoilett, Millar

CF- David, Ugbo, Larin, Cavallini 

 

 

[Floortom]

Really like how strongly Herdman emphasized that there are no guaranteed roster spots and that the world cup qualifying mission is entirely different than the World Cup mission. Everyone is going to have to earn the right to be there. There are a some guys playing at way too low a level (Liam Fraser), average part- time MLser starters (Piette, Cava). They need a push to be on the roster IMO.

Edited April 1, 2022 by Floortom

[jonovision]

23 minutes ago, Floortom said:

Really like how strongly Herdman emphasized that there are no guaranteed roster spots and that the world cup qualifying mission is entirely different than the World Cup mission. Everyone is going to have to earn the right to be there. There are a some guys playing at way too low a level (Liam Fraser), average part- time MLsers (Piette, Cava). They need a push to be on the roster IMO.

Samuel Piette and Lucas Cavallini have both been full-time MLSers when healthy. Whether they are average, or better or worse, is a matter of opinion.

[Floortom]

3 minutes ago, jonovision said:

Samuel Piette and Lucas Cavallini have both been full-time MLSers when healthy. Whether they are average, or better or worse, is a matter of opinion.

I meant part time starters 

[YorkRegionFan]

When will we know if it is 23 or 26 man roster? Did the organizers decide at the last minute for the Euro 2020?

[gigi riva]

I am going to assume it will be a 26 man roster

[Califax]

5 hours ago, gigi riva said:

I am going to assume it will be a 26 man roster

You gotta be right. With Covid whipping around for a sixth world tour, Not only does 26 makes sense, it tells us that there’s gonna be a lot of disappointed supporters and players whose plans are going to get turned upside down.

[TGAA_Star]

With a 26 man squad then you could go this way or what I would do:

 

GK- Milan Borjan, Max Crepeau, Dayne St Clair (3)

LB- Sam Adekugbe, Cristian Gutierrez, Luca Petrasso (3)

CB- Kamal Miller, Steven Vitoria, Scott Kennedy, Doneil Henry, Lukas MacNaughton (new boy) (5)

RB- Alistair Johnston, Richie Laryea, Kadin Chung (new boy) (3)

CDM- Stephen Eustaquio, Samuel Piette (2)

CM- Atiba Hutchinson, Mark Anthony Kaye, Jonathan Osorio, Ismael Kone (4)

LW/RW- Alphonso Davies, Tajon Buchanan, Junior Hoilett (3)

CF- Jonathan David, Cyle Larin, Lucas Cavallini (3)

 

More faces you would expect along with new boys I've put into my Qatar squad for November...gotta give some variety

[sose]

3 hours ago, TGAA_Star said:

With a 26 man squad then you could go this way or what I would do:

 

GK- Milan Borjan, Max Crepeau, Dayne St Clair (3)

LB- Sam Adekugbe, Cristian Gutierrez, Luca Petrasso (3)

CB- Kamal Miller, Steven Vitoria, Scott Kennedy, Doneil Henry, Lukas MacNaughton (new boy) (5)

RB- Alistair Johnston, Richie Laryea, Kadin Chung (new boy) (3)

CDM- Stephen Eustaquio, Samuel Piette (2)

CM- Atiba Hutchinson, Mark Anthony Kaye, Jonathan Osorio, Ismael Kone (4)

LW/RW- Alphonso Davies, Tajon Buchanan, Junior Hoilett (3)

CF- Jonathan David, Cyle Larin, Lucas Cavallini (3)

 

More faces you would expect along with new boys I've put into my Qatar squad for November...gotta give some variety

Unlikely MacNaughton or Chung or Petrasso included unless they have Laryea type break out season and are included in nations league in the summer.  I think Herdman would prefer Millar, DC, as they are playing at higher levels and regular starters.

Kone is on the bubble 

I think Ugbo keeps his place if he continues playing starter minutes and maintains decent form in France

[ECW]

I’d like to see Raheem Edwards get a shot at Nations League with the possibility of WC selection. 

[Footyeh]

On 4/2/2022 at 8:57 AM, sose said:

Unlikely MacNaughton or Chung or Petrasso included unless they have Laryea type break out season and are included in nations league in the summer.  I think Herdman would prefer Millar, DC, as they are playing at higher levels and regular starters.

Kone is on the bubble 

I think Ugbo keeps his place if he continues playing starter minutes and maintains decent form in France

Is DC really playing at a higher level than MacNaughton though?  I think if MacNaughton continues as a starter for TFC and plays in the Nations League, he has a good shot.  I would try and work him in, he has another world cup cycle in him after this one so I think it's imperative he get's integrated some how.

[sose]

8 hours ago, Footyeh said:

Is DC really playing at a higher level than MacNaughton though?  I think if MacNaughton continues as a starter for TFC and plays in the Nations League, he has a good shot.  I would try and work him in, he has another world cup cycle in him after this one so I think it's imperative he get's integrated some how.

I guess it debatable Greek league vs MLS, but DC is 3 years younger than MacNaughton and will probably be in his prime at the 2026 WC.

[scooterlawrence5]

FIFA to propose 26-man squads and 5 subs rule for Qatar 2022

https://www.insideworldfootball.com/2022/02/18/fifa-propose-26-man-squads-5-subs-rule-qatar-2022/

 

[TGAA_Star]

20 minutes ago, scooterlawrence5 said:

FIFA to propose 26-man squads and 5 subs rule for Qatar 2022

https://www.insideworldfootball.com/2022/02/18/fifa-propose-26-man-squads-5-subs-rule-qatar-2022/

 

If that's the case, then that's even better for us Canadians

[narduch]

26 player squad means room for Arfield. 

Ducks....

[Bison44]

Just now, narduch said:

26 player squad means room for Arfield. 

Ducks....

You mean Flores, people are much more open to keeping that conversation going than Arfield.  

On 4/5/2022 at 1:50 AM, Footyeh said:

Is DC really playing at a higher level than MacNaughton though?  I think if MacNaughton continues as a starter for TFC and plays in the Nations League, he has a good shot.  I would try and work him in, he has another world cup cycle in him after this one so I think it's imperative he get's integrated some how.

There are several youngish people I wish would have been integrated already, that doesnt seem to be a priority.  Campagna gets brought around for all the camps though for some reason.  

[sose]

50 minutes ago, scooterlawrence5 said:

FIFA to propose 26-man squads and 5 subs rule for Qatar 2022

https://www.insideworldfootball.com/2022/02/18/fifa-propose-26-man-squads-5-subs-rule-qatar-2022/

 

they should just make the 5 sub rule permanent at this point

[Sal333]

2 hours ago, narduch said:

26 player squad means room for Arfield. 

Ducks....

But gets kicked in the nuts.

[TOcanadafan]

On 4/5/2022 at 11:12 AM, sose said:

I guess it debatable Greek league vs MLS, but DC is 3 years younger than MacNaughton and will probably be in his prime at the 2026 WC.

I hope Cornelius can get a move to a better league soon… any Greek I know, calls it ‘The Bordello’… endless match fixing and other shady activity has made it go downhill in the past 10 years - they can’t even have Greek refs officiate big games as they are all unofficially on the payrolls of one of the big teams.   I’d say MLS is much higher quality overall and if MacNaughton can hold his own, he can make a case for being higher up on the totem pole.

Edited April 23, 2022 by TOcanadafan

[Obinna]

Rating Guide 

100% - Primary core players who are guarenteed to be there, if healthy.

On the Plane - Secondary core players who would be shocking, unexpected omissions.

Should be fine - Primary depth players, should be there.

Danger Zone - Primary depth players in danger of missing the cut.

Missed the Cut - Secondary depth players who will miss the cut.

No Chance - Fringe players who are eligible but won't make it.  

(From left to right, players are ordered from most to least important to Canada)

Ranking Analysis

1. Davies - Best overall player
2. David - 2nd best overall player
3. Eustaquio - Most important midfielder
4. Larin - Top goal scorer 
5. Buchanan - 2nd best wide attacker
6. Borjan - Starting keeper, assistant Captain
7. Hutchinson - Most capped player, Captain
8. Johnston - Most versitle right-footed defender
9. Miller - Best left-footed centre back, can play left back
10. Vitoria - Best right-footed centre back
11. Laryea - Best right back & right wing back
12. Osorio - Best no. 8 
13. Adekugbe - Best left back (that isn't Davies)
14. Hoilett - Veteran attacking winger, set piece taker
15. Kaye - Box-to-Box no. 8, deep lying play maker
16. Henry - Back up right center back
17. Ugbo - Back up no. 9
18. Crepeau - Back up keeper
19. Cavallini - Back up no. 9
20. Millar - Back up winger
21. Kennedy - Back up left center back
22. Cornelius - Back up left center back
23. Piette - Back up no. 6
24. St. Clair - 3rd string keeper
25. Wotherspoon - Midfielder recovering from ACL injury, should make it if healthy 
26. Fraser - Belgian 2nd division player that should make it if Wotherspoon is out
27. Kone - Highly rated 19-year old mid who could leapfrog Wotherspoon and Fraser 
28. Gutierrez - uncapped left back may not make it despite numerous calls
29. Brault-Guillard - 6-time capped right back will likely just miss the cut
30. Shaffleburg - earned 1 of his 3 caps in WCQ, left-sided winger likely misses out
31. Nelson - unlikely but the young winger could sneak in if form keeps improving
32. Brym - Earned caps in WCQ and scored goals in Holland, but too far away
33. Waterman - Best right-footed CB not selected, but could sneak in with injuries
34. Corbeanu - Promising winger but hasn't done enough in England League 1
35. Akinola - Forward recovering from ACL injury, needs to play and score regularly
36. Paton - Interesting midfielder in SPL, but unlikely having never attending camp
37. Hasal - became starting keeper for Whitecaps, but has never made a roster
38. Okello - Has improved but not yet consistent enough to have a chance
39. Rutty - Top rated 17-year old, but injuries have slowed his progress 
40. Edwards - revived under Vanney at LA Galaxy, but hasn't been capped in years
41. MacNaughten - successfully jumped from CPL to MLS, but yet to make a roster
42. Breza - Montreal no .1 with inconsistent form and never been called by Herdman
43. Akindele - Won't make WC roster, hasn't played since surprise emergency GC call
44. Choniere - WC is too soon for the promising wing back to earn a spot
45. Pantemis - backup to Breza at MTL, so no chance (despite past calls)
46. Petrasso - Very impressive but like Choniere there isn't enough time left for him
47. Pasher - Playing with Houston, but way too far down depth chart, so no chance
48. Priso - High ceiling but injury from last season has held back the 19 year old 
49. Leutwiler - England League 2 keeper is behind younger MLS starting keepers
50. Bassong - 22 year old left back / left CB will miss out due to form/minutes
51. Ennin - Eligible forward plays in RPL, but like Paton has never been called
52. Sturing - has fallen off the map since moving to Austria Div. 2

 

 

Edited April 23, 2022 by Obinna

[sose]

1 hour ago, Obinna said:

Rating Guide 

100% - Primary core players who are guarenteed to be there, if healthy.

On the Plane - Secondary core players who would be shocking, unexpected omissions.

Should be fine - Primary depth players, should be there.

Danger Zone - Primary depth players in danger of missing the cut.

Missed the Cut - Secondary depth players who will miss the cut.

No Chance - Fringe players who are eligible but won't make it.  

(From left to right, players are ordered from most to least important to Canada)

Ranking Analysis

1. Davies - Best overall player
2. David - 2nd best overall player
3. Eustaquio - Most important midfielder
4. Larin - Top goal scorer 
5. Buchanan - 2nd best wide attacker
6. Borjan - Starting keeper, assistant Captain
7. Hutchinson - Most capped player, Captain
8. Johnston - Most versitle right-footed defender
9. Miller - Best left-footed centre back, can play left back
10. Vitoria - Best right-footed centre back
11. Laryea - Best right back & right wing back
12. Osorio - Best no. 8 
13. Adekugbe - Best left back (that isn't Davies)
14. Hoilett - Veteran attacking winger, set piece taker
15. Kaye - Box-to-Box no. 8, deep lying play maker
16. Henry - Back up right center back
17. Ugbo - Back up no. 9
18. Crepeau - Back up keeper
19. Larin - Back up no. 9
20. Millar - Back up winger
21. Kennedy - Back up left center back
22. Cornelius - Back up left center back
23. Piette - Back up no. 6
24. St. Clair - 3rd string keeper
25. Wotherspoon - Midfielder recovering from ACL injury, should make it if healthy 
26. Fraser - Belgian 2nd division player that should make it if Wotherspoon is out
27. Kone - Highly rated 19-year old mid who could leapfrog Wotherspoon and Fraser 
28. Gutierrez - uncapped left back may not make it despite numerous calls
29. Brault-Guillard - 6-time capped right back will likely just miss the cut
30. Shaffleburg - earned 1 of his 3 caps in WCQ, left-sided winger likely misses out
31. Nelson - unlikely but the young winger could sneak in if form keeps improving
32. Brym - Earned caps in WCQ and scored goals in Holland, but too far away
33. Waterman - Best right-footed CB not selected, but could sneak in with injuries
34. Corbeanu - Promising winger but hasn't done enough in England League 1
35. Akinola - Forward recovering from ACL injury, needs to play and score regularly
36. Paton - Interesting midfielder in SPL, but unlikely having never attending camp
37. Hasal - became starting keeper for Whitecaps, but has never made a roster
38. Okello - Has improved but not yet consistent enough to have a chance
39. Rutty - Top rated 17-year old, but injuries have slowed his progress 
40. Edwards - revived under Vanney at LA Galaxy, but hasn't been capped in years
41. MacNaughten - successfully jumped from CPL to MLS, but yet to make a roster
42. Breza - Montreal no .1 with inconsistent form and never been called by Herdman
43. Akindele - Won't make WC roster, hasn't played since surprise emergency GC call
44. Choniere - WC is too soon for the promising wing back to earn a spot
45. Pantemis - backup to Breza at MTL, so no chance (despite past calls)
46. Petrasso - Very impressive but like Choniere there isn't enough time left for him
47. Pasher - Playing with Houston, but way too far down depth chart, so no chance
48. Priso - High ceiling but injury from last season has held back the 19 year old 
49. Leutwiler - England League 2 keeper is behind younger MLS starting keepers
50. Bassong - 22 year old left back / left CB will miss out due to form/minutes
51. Ennin - Eligible forward plays in RPL, but like Paton has never been called
52. Sturing - has fallen off the map since moving to Austria Div. 2

 

 

you missed Cav in your breakdown

[Obinna]

24 minutes ago, sose said:

you missed Cav in your breakdown

Thanks, I actually had him listed as no. 19, but under the name "Larin" by mistake.

And now since I am looking at this once more, I think Cavallini and Ugbo could arguably be swapped. Both will be going to Qatar though, and both are back up 9s. Just a question in my head about who is a "primary depth player" and who is part of the "secondary core". Considering the time Cavallini has put into the program, the fact he's played more WCQ minutes, and the trust Herdman seems to have in him, maybe should have swapped him and Ugbo. 

Then again, my thinking was (and still is) that Ugbo and Cavallini are trending in opposite directions when it comes to national team importance, so I factored that in somewhat, I think.