dyslexic nam Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 And people can say what they want about the Leagues Cup, but it damn sure means something to those players and those fans. Everyone loves winning a legitimate trophy that you have to compete hard for. SoccMan, Obinna, toontownman and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 10 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said: And people can say what they want about the Leagues Cup, but it damn sure means something to those players and those fans. Everyone loves winning a legitimate trophy that you have to compete hard for. OK, I will. I didn't pay any attention to the Leagues Cup. But when I saw in this thread that it's over now I looked it up on Wikipedia and found out that Columbus didn't have to play any away games. That's hilarious. Congrats to JRR though, and that looked like a solid goal. sebdeserio, narduch and Obinna 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 2 minutes ago, Kent said: OK, I will. I didn't pay any attention to the Leagues Cup. But when I saw in this thread that it's over now I looked it up on Wikipedia and found out that Columbus didn't have to play any away games. That's hilarious. Congrats to JRR though, and that looked like a solid goal. They also didn't play a single Mexican team Kent, Obinna and sebdeserio 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_S Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 1 minute ago, Kent said: OK, I will. I didn't pay any attention to the Leagues Cup. But when I saw in this thread that it's over now I looked it up on Wikipedia and found out that Columbus didn't have to play any away games. That's hilarious. Congrats to JRR though, and that looked like a solid goal. They were top seeds along with Club America so deserved home field dyslexic nam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 I can’t really fault them for having home field advantage due to their seeding, or the fact that they faced multiple MLS opponents who had already eliminated Mexican opponents. The reality is that only 2 Mexican teams made it to the QF stage and none advanced to the semis. And Mexico had a full slate of Liga MX teams in the competition, evenly dispersed throughout the 3-team groups. Macksam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 43 minutes ago, narduch said: They also didn't play a single Mexican team They weren't good enough to advance into the later stages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 The format of Leagues Cup is super flawed and weird, but at the end of the day you can only beat who is in front of you. Not the fault of the Crew they got to play all home games. They still had to beat some good teams, so it's a deserved trophy. Brethers8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 (edited) 8 hours ago, Ed_S said: They were top seeds along with Club America so deserved home field And yet America didn't get to play any at home out of their 3 games, but Columbus played all 5 in their home stadium. So much for earning it. Edited August 26 by Kent Grammar narduch, red card, gator and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 38 minutes ago, Kent said: And yet America didn't get to play any home out of their 3 games, but Columbus played all 5 in their home stadium. So much for earning it. So it is no less legitimate than the Gold Cup. Kent, Admiral Murray and narduch 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 10 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said: So it is no less legitimate than the Gold Cup. I was going to say that the Gold Cup wasn't trying to eliminate an already better version of itself (Leagues Cup is belittling the Champions Cup), but then I realized I don't really know much about the CONCACAF Championship that happened before the Gold Cup started. Looks like it's a pretty similar change. Quick research, looks like the 1989 CONCACAF Championship was held over the better part of a year rather than one block of time. And games were home and away, like The Hex. So pretty analogous to Leagues Cup (Gold Cup) and Champions Cup (CONCACAF Championship). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahmedou Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 🇨🇦🏆🇺🇸🇲🇽 Canuckia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 Wish there was a way to see this Crew team play European opposition. I think that roster could hold its own in a couple of the top 5 leagues. TOcanadafan and ahmedou 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 9 minutes ago, InglewoodJack said: Wish there was a way to see this Crew team play European opposition. I think that roster could hold its own in a couple of the top 5 leagues. I would love to see more of that cross pollination. It would be a great way to really get a sense of how MLS matches up against some of the European leagues. We have had multiple examples of guys who couldn’t get minutes in MLS but can lock down a spot in respectable but not stellar Euro leagues (Cornelius as a clear example). It always makes me wonder how the league truly stacks up against its European peers. jdheid and TOcanadafan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 3 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said: I would love to see more of that cross pollination. It would be a great way to really get a sense of how MLS matches up against some of the European leagues. We have had multiple examples of guys who couldn’t get minutes in MLS but can lock down a spot in respectable but not stellar Euro leagues (Cornelius as a clear example). It always makes me wonder how the league truly stacks up against its European peers. That will change eventually, but it’s probably the same reason NBA teams won’t play a champions league style tournament with euroleague. If Crew beat Manchester United at Old Trafford, then what? A century of football heritage down the drain. WestHamCanadianinOxford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 38 minutes ago, InglewoodJack said: That will change eventually, but it’s probably the same reason NBA teams won’t play a champions league style tournament with euroleague. If Crew beat Manchester United at Old Trafford, then what? A century of football heritage down the drain. Conversely, if MLS teams get routinely stomped by Ligue 1 teams, it is a bad look for the NA league. There is basically risk all a round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 1 hour ago, InglewoodJack said: Wish there was a way to see this Crew team play European opposition. I think that roster could hold its own in a couple of the top 5 leagues. Huge respect for Crew - best MLS team without a doubt. I think they could hold their own in Liga MX. Top 5 league they would be slaughtered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 1 hour ago, InglewoodJack said: Wish there was a way to see this Crew team play European opposition. I think that roster could hold its own in a couple of the top 5 leagues. Well the USA does have 1 host spot available for next summer's Club World Cup. Of course they haven't even announced who will represent. Most likely because they want to make sure Messi and Inter Miami win the spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 1 hour ago, Kent said: I was going to say that the Gold Cup wasn't trying to eliminate an already better version of itself (Leagues Cup is belittling the Champions Cup), but then I realized I don't really know much about the CONCACAF Championship that happened before the Gold Cup started. Looks like it's a pretty similar change. Quick research, looks like the 1989 CONCACAF Championship was held over the better part of a year rather than one block of time. And games were home and away, like The Hex. So pretty analogous to Leagues Cup (Gold Cup) and Champions Cup (CONCACAF Championship). Eh... every other confederation hosts its championship in a month-long tournament at a set location so the Gold Cup was just CONCACAF aligning with the rest of the world. Now to get them to actually rotate it to other countries outside of the U.S.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 15 minutes ago, CanadaFan123 said: Huge respect for Crew - best MLS team without a doubt. I think they could hold their own in Liga MX. Top 5 league they would be slaughtered. Champions league tier teams, for sure, but I think they can hold their own in France or Germany. I think like half their team could play in Europe next season in some capacity if they wanted to. 13 minutes ago, narduch said: Well the USA does have 1 host spot available for next summer's Club World Cup. Of course they haven't even announced who will represent. Most likely because they want to make sure Messi and Inter Miami win the spot Embarrassing because I bet you they do that and Messi is out with an injury and doesn’t even show up. narduch and Kent 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 1 hour ago, Kent said: I was going to say that the Gold Cup wasn't trying to eliminate an already better version of itself (Leagues Cup is belittling the Champions Cup), but then I realized I don't really know much about the CONCACAF Championship that happened before the Gold Cup started. Looks like it's a pretty similar change. Quick research, looks like the 1989 CONCACAF Championship was held over the better part of a year rather than one block of time. And games were home and away, like The Hex. So pretty analogous to Leagues Cup (Gold Cup) and Champions Cup (CONCACAF Championship). Basically the old Concacaf Championship was also World Cup qualifying. So technically Canada won the 1985 edition. Despite Mexico not taking part (because they hosted the 1986 World Cup). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_CONCACAF_Championship Kent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metro Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 1 hour ago, InglewoodJack said: If Crew beat Manchester United at Old Trafford, then what? A century of football heritage down the drain. Considering the managers they hired after Fergie...um...well... 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aird25 Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 21 minutes ago, CanadaFan123 said: Huge respect for Crew - best MLS team without a doubt. I think they could hold their own in Liga MX. Top 5 league they would be slaughtered. Really, you think a team like Angers would slaughter them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 5 minutes ago, RS said: Eh... every other confederation hosts its championship in a month-long tournament at a set location so the Gold Cup was just CONCACAF aligning with the rest of the world. Now to get them to actually rotate it to other countries outside of the U.S.... Yeah, I do think it's better to have a month long tournament in a host nation. But to permanently etch in the name of the host nation for all time is a completely different story. If it was moved around, it would be fantastic. It would even be a tiny bit better if they rotated regions of the USA hosting. For example, if in 2025 they had all the games on the west coast, then in 2027 they had them all the south, then in 2029 all on the east coast, that would be a small improvement. Because at least it would make it more worthwhile for travelling support. RS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 27 minutes ago, Aird25 said: Really, you think a team like Angers would slaughter them? That’s not what I said. They would get results over the course of a season but just in general they would be comfortably relegated. Even in Ligue 2, I think it would be a challenge for them to promote. I think they could compete in Netherlands, Portugal or Belgium, which is a huge compliment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauditYvon Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 30 minutes ago, Aird25 said: Really, you think a team like Angers would slaughter them? The funny part is I think they could hold their own in Liga MX. MLS has been destroying Liga MX clubs for the past couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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