Obinna Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 5 hours ago, DeRo_Is_King said: Anyone else shocked by his inclusion in the final roster? Shocked no, but a little surprised? Yes. Not a big surprise, since Marsch called him for the friendlies and played him against France, but a little surprised because against France he looked out of his depth, despite not making any mistakes. Granted he was defending Kingsly Coman, but I don't think it gets easier against Di Maria or whoever is out on the flank for Argentina. So for me, Heibert is substitue and a player I would be nervous about if we see him in the opener, or in the later stages of the tournament if we get there, but against Peru and Chile, I don't yet have a reason to fear him being on the field. I think he'd hold his own if we had to use him. Shway, TGAA_Star, The Real Marc and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 I would've rather seen Lucas Pos, or Kennedy than Heibert. He's bad. Reminds me of a MLS 1.0 player. LB depth: Davies Miller Heibert LCB depth: Corneilius Miller Heibert I hope we don't see him at all at the Copa. DeRo_Is_King, WestHamCanadianinOxford, The Real Marc and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 (edited) 2 hours ago, Shway said: I would've rather seen Lucas Pos, or Kennedy than Heibert. He's bad. Reminds me of a MLS 1.0 player. LB depth: Davies Miller Heibert LCB depth: Corneilius Miller Heibert I hope we don't see him at all at the Copa. Might be a joke but sorry but no. Kennedy almost certainly has fitness issues. No mention since coming off early the penultimate game of his season and missing the last (and crucial) one. Pos is rated poorly on a very poor team in a league worse than MLS. "He's bad" He's played some 30 minutes for Canada. He got beat badly by one of the fastest players in the world other than that did okay against one of best attacks in the world. Only goal against him came against Honduras when he had his man on a corner but a whole group of our players got beat by another across the box. Sorry unless you are an avid St Louis watcher, not sure I can take a "he's bad" seriously. Edited June 17 by WestHamCanadianinOxford blueseeka, Ivan and narduch 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 As folks know I'm not a huge fan but the Waterman callups says they don't entirely trust Miller and Hiebert. And I also think that a CB could get a card, could be threatened with missing a match for cards, or you may need to ask a sub to take a card, so the extra CB bodies are there for a reason. You could also ask Bair or Larin to defend set pieces in the box. Does Hiebert play LB if send Davies into the attack late? The Real Marc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 22 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said: Does Hiebert play LB if send Davies into the attack late? Laryea, I would guess. Hiebert and Laryea switched late on against France (Half the reason the commentator, even used in the Stand on Guard doc, got the defender on Mbappe's last chance wrong.) Unnamed Trialist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 hour ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said: Might be a joke but sorry but no. Kennedy almost certainly has fitness issues. No mention since coming off early the penultimate game of his season and missing the last (and crucial) one. Pos is rated poorly on a very poor team in a league worse than MLS. "He's bad" He's played some 30 minutes for Canada. He got beat badly by one of the fastest players in the world other than that did okay against one of best attacks in the world. Only goal against him came against Honduras when he had his man on a corner but a whole group of our players got beat by another across the box. Sorry unless you are an avid St Louis watcher, not sure I can take a "he's bad" seriously. I've critiqued his game many times, and watched several a few StL games this season... now I'm just giving the summary... which is "he's bad". He's not a traditional LB, he has no agility, no speed, he can't get forward to cross is the reason why I don't want to see him there. I would prefer Kennedy over him, just for Kennedys speed alone. I don't think you've gotten the chance to watch him, and I hope it doesn't come with the mnt because that would mean we are in a crisis. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Shway said: I've critiqued his game many times, and watched several a few StL games this season... now I'm just giving the summary... which is "he's bad". He's not a traditional LB, he has no agility, no speed, he can't get forward to cross is the reason why I don't want to see him there. I would prefer Kennedy over him, just for Kennedys speed alone. I don't think you've gotten the chance to watch him, and I hope it doesn't come with the mnt because that would mean we are in a crisis. I would prefer peak Maldini but like Kennedy it seems like he's not an option right now.😉. Pos is a silly one. He is never going to be an elite defender at either position he generally plays because he doesn't have the size and pace. From what I have seen, he takes up postions well, works hard and stays focused which for a 2nd/3rd choice at a couple positions is okay. He will also be good against a lot of the teams we actually face on a regular basis. But can be convinced otherwise, in which games for St Louis do you think he let them down and how? Edited June 17 by WestHamCanadianinOxford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Shway said: I've critiqued his game many times, and watched several a few StL games this season... now I'm just giving the summary... which is "he's bad". He's not a traditional LB, he has no agility, no speed, he can't get forward to cross is the reason why I don't want to see him there. I would prefer Kennedy over him, just for Kennedys speed alone. I don't think you've gotten the chance to watch him, and I hope it doesn't come with the mnt because that would mean we are in a crisis. Sounds like you've watched more STL games than me this season, but I think we both share the same general opinion of what this player is, which is someone who is limited going forward and limited physically. Despite these limitations, he seems to start a lot of MLS matches. What's your take on that? Is MLS just a really poor level, or maybe STL is just a really poor club? Or, maybye this guy just makes the most of it despite his limitations? From the little I have seen, his decision making is generaly good. Would you agree? If he was this limited AND consistently made errors, he wouldn't see the field, no? Edited June 17 by Obinna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 I have watched some STL games. He was shifted to LB as a team need, not because its his position or should it be for canada. He shouldnt be at LB for canada in anything but an emergency. Now at CB he is more capable and it fits his speed, mobility package. I am a big fan of his and I would still put Mcnaughton/Waterman ahead of him right now. These 3 should be Gold cup run outs. Bombito prob isnt any better at decision making or positioning but his speed and physical talents make up for it. And he seems to be maturing at an amazing speed and the sky seems the limit for him. Kennedy has been hurt so much, I'm not sure where he fits in anymore, is he the same player he was a couple years ago? Remember when he was taking off much like bombito?? WestHamCanadianinOxford, costarg and johnyb 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 I believe he started the MLS season mostly on the bench. It was only in the last few weeks that he started to get starts, mostly at LB. So they probably had an injury and need Hiebert to step in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 3 minutes ago, narduch said: I believe he started the MLS season mostly on the bench. It was only in the last few weeks that he started to get starts, mostly at LB. So they probably had an injury and need Hiebert to step in. He's been the starter most games since mid April, mostly at centre back. narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Nilsson and Parker are still the preferred starters, but he is getting his time in, ie Nilsson was out for awhile in april. narduch and WestHamCanadianinOxford 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 2 minutes ago, Bison44 said: Nilsson and Parker are still the preferred starters, but he is getting his time in, ie Nilsson was out for awhile in april. He was shifted to left back (the only game he started there this year) when they were both available. But might not start either once he gets back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 The Seattle game a couple weeks ago? All 3 were in then and Hiebert was at LB. Even as a fill in LB and the first CB off the bench he'll get time. But realistically, Parker is good and Nilsson is an Swedish INT, WestHamCanadianinOxford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 10 hours ago, Bison44 said: I have watched some STL games. He was shifted to LB as a team need, not because its his position or should it be for canada. He shouldnt be at LB for canada in anything but an emergency. Now at CB he is more capable and it fits his speed, mobility package. I am a big fan of his and I would still put Mcnaughton/Waterman ahead of him right now. These 3 should be Gold cup run outs. Bombito prob isnt any better at decision making or positioning but his speed and physical talents make up for it. And he seems to be maturing at an amazing speed and the sky seems the limit for him. Kennedy has been hurt so much, I'm not sure where he fits in anymore, is he the same player he was a couple years ago? Remember when he was taking off much like bombito?? Great breakdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 11 hours ago, Bison44 said: I have watched some STL games. He was shifted to LB as a team need, not because its his position or should it be for canada. He shouldnt be at LB for canada in anything but an emergency. Now at CB he is more capable and it fits his speed, mobility package. I am a big fan of his and I would still put Mcnaughton/Waterman ahead of him right now. These 3 should be Gold cup run outs. Bombito prob isnt any better at decision making or positioning but his speed and physical talents make up for it. And he seems to be maturing at an amazing speed and the sky seems the limit for him. Kennedy has been hurt so much, I'm not sure where he fits in anymore, is he the same player he was a couple years ago? Remember when he was taking off much like bombito?? I would say Hiebert is better at those things at this point, honestly, but as you say the unteachables are off the charts with Bombito. As yes judging him at left back is pretty off. If he and Miller were on the pitch together I would probably put Miller out there first. Bison44 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Manager at St. Louis was just fired. johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 I know he isn’t as highly rated as some of our other CB’s but it looks like he has started in St Louis’s last 5 games and he gets the start again tonight in their round of 16 Leagues Cup game against Club America. Always good to have depth in defence. DeRo_Is_King, Ivan, K Edgar and 8 others 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeRo_Is_King Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 (edited) 7 hours ago, dyslexic nam said: I know he isn’t as highly rated as some of our other CB’s but it looks like he has started in St Louis’s last 5 games and he gets the start again tonight in their round of 16 Leagues Cup game against Club America. Always good to have depth in defence. Noticed this. They conceded four goals last night, though, and he played 90. Didn't watch the game or even highlights, so I can't comment on his performance. Both Sofascore and FotMob rated him among the bottom performers, but not by much. Edit: Watched the highlights. Looked poor on the first goal, but he was not responsible for the others. It was 2-2 late into the game and America nabbed some late goals. Actually, he looked worse on other plays where they didn't score. Edited August 14 by DeRo_Is_King dyslexic nam, ahmedou and TOcanadafan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 After they traded Tim Parker to New England Hiebert started every game as a CB I think. johnyb, Obinna and ahmedou 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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