Shway Posted June 12 Author Share Posted June 12 Just now, jhoops__ said: I’m sure Jesse likes his pace compared to Ugbo/Bair… But Bair isn't slow. And I haven't seen any difference in pace from Tani. For me, I would drop Ugbo if he's up against Bair, but Brym could be thrown into the drop conversations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Shway said: But Bair isn't slow. And I haven't seen any difference in pace from Tani. For me, I would drop Ugbo if he's up against Bair, but Brym could be thrown into the drop conversations. It is really tough to compare them - at least for me. Tani and JRR are having a solid impact in MLS, Bair was killing it in a weaker league, Ugbo only did okay but in a tougher league, and Brym got dropped to the bench but has proven he can at least play in the Eredivise - which is the highest level league of all them. That is part of the value of having those friendlies - at least Marsch can directly compare the guys who were invited over a decent period of time. Still a tough call tho. Edited June 12 by dyslexic nam Canuckia and Corazon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigi riva Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 3 hours ago, dyslexic nam said: It is really tough to compare them - at least for me. Tani and JRR are having a solid impact in MLS, Bair was killing it in a weaker league, Ugbo only did okay but in a tougher league, and Brym got dropped to the bench but has proven he can at least play in the Eredivise - which is the highest level league of all them. That is part of the value of having those friendlies - at least Marsch can directly compare the guys who were invited over a decent period of time. Still a tough call tho. Right now I would take Tani, JRR, and Bair . UGBO has never really impressed me much HochelagaFC, TGAA_Star, Shway and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 7 hours ago, gigi riva said: Right now I would take Tani, JRR, and Bair . UGBO has never really impressed me much Well they make up the next generation and we need to usher in that next generation of players into the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 7 hours ago, gigi riva said: Right now I would take Tani, JRR, and Bair . UGBO has never really impressed me much I don't disagree. It is just interesting to think about how your trio (and probably mine TBH) would perform in similar circumstances and levels as Ugbo and Brym. Would they still look effective if they jumped to the Championship or Eredivise? Hard to say. I still think they offer a bit more of an edge - but the difference in league quality makes it a less-than-straightforward equation. costarg, Canuckia, Corazon and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 11 hours ago, dyslexic nam said: It is really tough to compare them - at least for me. Tani and JRR are having a solid impact in MLS, Bair was killing it in a weaker league, Ugbo only did okay but in a tougher league, and Brym got dropped to the bench but has proven he can at least play in the Eredivise - which is the highest level league of all them. That is part of the value of having those friendlies - at least Marsch can directly compare the guys who were invited over a decent period of time. Still a tough call tho. You rate the Eredivise a lot higher than I do. TGAA_Star and Ivan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 8 hours ago, gigi riva said: Right now I would take Tani, JRR, and Bair . UGBO has never really impressed me much Not so sure about Ugbo. He's only gotten garbage minutes until now and that Trinidad match where the formation did no one any favors with 3 strikers and 2 wingers tripping over themselves. Costa Rica 7' USA 6' Costa Rica 10' Panama 3' Curaçao 14' Honduras 59' Qatar 30' Uruguay 17' Trinidad 70' I'd like a real look at him in a proper system. TGAA_Star, Corazon, johnyb and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 7 hours ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said: You rate the Eredivise a lot higher than I do. Definitely don’t claim any sort of deep knowledge. But I would think their top teams outdo the top teams of other leagues. IMO teams like PSV, Ajax, and Feeyenord (sp?) would generally outperform the strong Championship or MLS teams. And the SPL is so skewed by the big 2 that it is hard to rank it very high. Canuckia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 14 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said: Definitely don’t claim any sort of deep knowledge. But I would think their top teams outdo the top teams of other leagues. IMO teams like PSV, Ajax, and Feeyenord (sp?) would generally outperform the strong Championship or MLS teams. And the SPL is so skewed by the big 2 that it is hard to rank it very high. Their top terms are their top teams (and to be fair that rotates a little) but it falls down from there. I would put the first two you mention above them from top to bottom. Ajax right now are not a good team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 1 hour ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said: Their top terms are their top teams (and to be fair that rotates a little) but it falls down from there. I would put the first two you mention above them from top to bottom. Ajax right now are not a good team. There's no perfect way to do it, but I always try to pay attention to where a countries league ranks in the coefficient and how the "non-big" clubs do in Europe. So for instance, right now Netherlands is up 6th while Scotland is down to 14th. And historically, Scotland's other teams tend to crash out of Europe in the qualifying stages while Netherlands might have a team like AZ make the group phase. On a related note, this is also why I'm interested in seeing what would happen with Cornelius if he jumped from Malmo to Ajax or Feyenoord: because he'd be moving from one of the "big" clubs in the 28th ranked league up to a big club in the #6 league. WestHamCanadianinOxford, nolando and Corazon 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 1 hour ago, Watchmen said: There's no perfect way to do it, but I always try to pay attention to where a countries league ranks in the coefficient and how the "non-big" clubs do in Europe. So for instance, right now Netherlands is up 6th while Scotland is down to 14th. And historically, Scotland's other teams tend to crash out of Europe in the qualifying stages while Netherlands might have a team like AZ make the group phase. On a related note, this is also why I'm interested in seeing what would happen with Cornelius if he jumped from Malmo to Ajax or Feyenoord: because he'd be moving from one of the "big" clubs in the 28th ranked league up to a big club in the #6 league. Again no perfect way, as you say. Opta does do stats for all the teams in the leagues in question and does a metric. I haven't seen one for last year. Not get a lot of argument from me about Scotland. I actually enjoy watching it but it is probably mid Championship in the 3rd-6th ish range but then League 1. AZ did really well the year they played us, didn't make it out of the group stage this year. But again the Dutch European teams even with Conference League are only 1/3 of the league. TGAA_Star and Watchmen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpg_29 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Just looking at his goal highlights it's hard to get a feel what is standout attributes are. I know he is scoring but why? I guess he seems pretty clinical in his shooting? Maybe the area where he would stand out from Larin? TGAA_Star 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 3 hours ago, mpg_29 said: Just looking at his goal highlights it's hard to get a feel what is standout attributes are. I know he is scoring but why? I guess he seems pretty clinical in his shooting? Maybe the area where he would stand out from Larin? Plus Tani is younger hence why we need to be grooming him to be the next big striker for this national team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king1010 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 1 minute ago, TGAA_Star said: Plus Tani is younger hence why we need to be grooming him to be the next big striker for this national team He's actually 24, not as young as you'd think TGAA_Star 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 1 hour ago, king1010 said: He's actually 24, not as young as you'd think Like Bombito, he is late to the MNT party. costarg and TGAA_Star 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpg_29 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Tani and Bombito are older than Davies.... johnyb, Borjans Sweatpants, TGAA_Star and 5 others 4 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 13 minutes ago, mpg_29 said: Tani and Bombito are older than Davies.... Which is crazy to even think about costarg and longlugan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 17 hours ago, mpg_29 said: Tani and Bombito are older than Davies.... I think they said that Davies was the 3rd youngest player on this most recent roster of ours which is absolutely insane considering how young our team is. Borjans Sweatpants, johnyb, TGAA_Star and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Wasn't great but wasn't terrible. Cap tied Borjans Sweatpants, Obinna, P-O and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 11 minutes ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said: Wasn't great but wasn't terrible. Cap tied Really should have had one. Or two. But glad he is in the fold and the goals will come. Corazon, Watchmen, Grandbloke and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Tani should have scored at least 1 or even 2 with the opportunities he had in the box Borjans Sweatpants 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueseeka Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 1 hour ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said: Cap tied Hopefully, years in the future. This was a huge day for us Canuckia, toontownman and Borjans Sweatpants 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Didn't realize he was that quick. With strikers it's all about getting yourself in the right positions to get chances and he did. The goals will come. He's doing it for Minnesota. johnyb, Canuckia, Corazon and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahmedou Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 Meritocracy should apply to Tani. I wouldn't mind to start him. He's getting better and better after each games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe MacCarthy Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 Corazon, Canuckia and PastPros 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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