Footyeh Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 45 minutes ago, Dominic94 said: Now we wait, hope and dream for the post of: hearing he’s switched to Canada😂 Me and you both haha but I don't think it'll happen tbh Obinna and ahmedou 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahmedou Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 20 hours ago, Footyeh said: Haha. He'll be moving back to the Prem is what I'm told, few suitors Canadian Premier League 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 Still the top of my dual wishlist. Also the most likely of the list to commit elsewhere lol Actually got a bit hopeful on this one after the Copa. I think Poch will be the nail in the coffin for this one, but we shall see. Shway, ahmedou and nolando 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 (edited) Looking at it from a different angle, I think there's a better chance of him considering Canada under Marsch playing with wingers as opposed to Herdman's WB system. He wouldn't really fit into the WB formation. I mean as a winger he must've been thinking that when he joined the camp under Herdman. Edited August 21 by costarg toontownman and ahmedou 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 Hey, his favorite player is now Captain of the CMNT. I never expected Sigur to commit or do so this early, so if Marsch tells Luca he will start for us, then why not? There is no guarantee Italy qualifies for WC26 and he hasn't answered the call from the USA to date. Obinna, Corazon, toontownman and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic94 Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 2 hours ago, Footyeh said: Me and you both haha but I don't think it'll happen tbh It’s going to be an uphill battle, would imagine he’s next on the list cause it seems like we will get Jebbison. really wonder who the others are ahmedou 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueseeka Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 14 hours ago, Footyeh said: Me and you both haha but I don't think it'll happen tbh You nailed Sigur, where I was convinced it was a lost cause. But I do hope your wrong this time. USA have two wingers Weah and Paredes injured, be interesting to see if they reach out. It sure looks like he just wants Italy ahmedou 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueseeka Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 19 hours ago, blueseeka said: You nailed Sigur, where I was convinced it was a lost cause. But I do hope your wrong this time. USA have two wingers Weah and Paredes injured, be interesting to see if they reach out. It sure looks like he just wants Italy narduch and ahmedou 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 34 minutes ago, blueseeka said: As long as he's healthy, and if he loans to EPL as some say he will, he's likely to stay with his most recent country, Italy. I'm sure he gets enough support for it from his Italian family. Our only chance is him falling off the Italy radar and start fishing for other international options. Obinna, The Real Marc and ahmedou 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Italian football is another one of those nations who believe in keeping things pure. Majority of the times their teams are made up of predominantly Serie A players, as it seems like it's a philosophy to favour the domestic based players. They've won that way, so they believe they can win again with the same formula - and hey I don't knock it. So I'll be overly surprised to see an Italian team with names like Udogie, Keane, Foloronsho, Gnotto, and Koleosho - all guys who should be in their squad except for maybe 1. I ultimately think he plays for the USA in the end as their wide depth is very limited, and the Poch pull. WestHamCanadianinOxford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 7 minutes ago, Shway said: Italian football is another one of those nations who believe in keeping things pure. Majority of the times their teams are made up of predominantly Serie A players, as it seems like it's a philosophy to favour the domestic based players. They've won that way, so they believe they can win again with the same formula - and hey I don't knock it. So I'll be overly surprised to see an Italian team with names like Udogie, Keane, Foloronsho, Gnotto, and Koleosho - all guys who should be in their squad except for maybe 1. I ultimately think he plays for the USA in the end as their wide depth is very limited, and the Poch pull. The logic in your post doesn't add up considering these two play in Serie A. sebdeserio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 (edited) 9 hours ago, Macksam said: The logic in your post doesn't add up considering these two play in Serie A. The main point went over your head, which is fine. The part you bolded was in reference to Koleosho. They will value a Serie A player over a Championship player. I made reference to the Italians liking things pure when it comes to their national team...reason why I said I'll be surprised to see all four of those guys in the team at the same time. @sebdeserio here you go: https://www.offtheball.com/soccer/arrigo-sacchi-says-there-are-too-many-black-players-in-italy-297606 Edited August 23 by Shway sebdeserio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebdeserio Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 28 minutes ago, Shway said: The main point went over your head, which is fine. The part you bolded was in reference to Koleosho. They will value a Serie A player over a Championship player. I made reference to the Italians liking things pure when it comes to their national team...reason why I said I'll be surprised to see all four of those guys in the team at the same time. @sebdeserio here you go: https://www.offtheball.com/soccer/arrigo-sacchi-says-there-are-too-many-black-players-in-italy-297606 So because a near octogenarian who managed the team almost 30 years ago says so it means all italians and the Federation itself thinks the same way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 1 hour ago, Shway said: The main point went over your head, which is fine. The part you bolded was in reference to Koleosho. They will value a Serie A player over a Championship player. I made reference to the Italians liking things pure when it comes to their national team...reason why I said I'll be surprised to see all four of those guys in the team at the same time. @sebdeserio here you go: https://www.offtheball.com/soccer/arrigo-sacchi-says-there-are-too-many-black-players-in-italy-297606 No, it did not go over my head as I saw the pure comment and knew exactly what you were going for, but I am just a stickler for structure and flow with regards to narrative and arguments. You talk about how Italy wants to keep things pure and the very next sentence is about how their national team is comprised of mainly domestic based players, which strongly gave the appearance you were inferring that purity had to do with where the players were plying their trade. You then circle back in a different paragraph and make a conclusion to the initial sentence of your post. If you made the purity comment and then immediately followed it up with the sentence about how you would be surprised to see Italy field a team with all the black players you mentioned, your argument would have been more structurally sound. You then could have narrowed in on Koleosho before making your second point about domestic players vs non-domestic and how that effects him in particular. Why did you structure it this way? Maybe you were in a rush, maybe you were unsure how others would react to what some would consider a controversial take so you obfuscated your whole post by bringing up racial purity first but then talking about something completely different right after. Anyhow, I just want to say that you should be free to speak your mind bro, your among friends here. Have that controversial take, but do it with conviction and purpose. With all that in mind, I neither agree or disagree with your take about the Italian NT and how they make their selections. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 @MacksamAll that to say you got the point. Great thanks! Worrying about structure, this isn't an English literacy forum lol. I will say I am someone who's not reluctant to admit when I'm wrong, so I'll return to this in a few weeks if I am. Macksam and QBCS 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 2 hours ago, Shway said: @MacksamAll that to say you got the point. Great thanks! Worrying about structure, this isn't an English literacy forum lol. I will say I am someone who's not reluctant to admit when I'm wrong, so I'll return to this in a few weeks if I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 17 hours ago, Shway said: Italian football is another one of those nations who believe in keeping things pure. Majority of the times their teams are made up of predominantly Serie A players, as it seems like it's a philosophy to favour the domestic based players. They've won that way, so they believe they can win again with the same formula - and hey I don't knock it. So I'll be overly surprised to see an Italian team with names like Udogie, Keane, Foloronsho, Gnotto, and Koleosho - all guys who should be in their squad except for maybe 1. I ultimately think he plays for the USA in the end as their wide depth is very limited, and the Poch pull. I think you're mistaken. Italy have been recruiting multiple nationals for a while now, even before not qualifying for Qatar, but that accelerated it. At least you're consistent with your awkwardness with the other, cultural myopia, eagerness to slight and generally parochial postings. I blocked you for months, just unblocked and see that was my mistake. My bad. Shway, PastPros and Macksam 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 (edited) 19 hours ago, Shway said: Italian football is another one of those nations who believe in keeping things pure. Majority of the times their teams are made up of predominantly Serie A players, as it seems like it's a philosophy to favour the domestic based players. They've won that way, so they believe they can win again with the same formula - and hey I don't knock it. So I'll be overly surprised to see an Italian team with names like Udogie, Keane, Foloronsho, Gnotto, and Koleosho - all guys who should be in their squad except for maybe 1. I ultimately think he plays for the USA in the end as their wide depth is very limited, and the Poch pull. They won Euro 2020 with some of their most important players not playing in Serie A and/or not being born in Italy. Emerson, Veratti and Jorginho started the final. There were a couple similar on the bench. P.S. The player's name remains Gnonto. And has Roy or Robbie found an Italian grandmother and a fountain of youth? Edited August 23 by WestHamCanadianinOxford sebdeserio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 55 minutes ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said: They won Euro 2020 with some of their most important players not playing in Serie A and/or not being born in Italy. Emerson, Veratti and Jorginho started the final. There were a couple similar on the bench. P.S. The player's name remains Gnonto. And has Roy or Robbie found an Italian grandmother and a fountain of youth? 3 of 26. 20 hours ago, Shway said: Majority of the times their teams are made up of predominantly Serie A players Made no mention of starting XI. But go ahead, run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 3 minutes ago, Shway said: 3 of 26. Made no mention of starting XI. But go ahead, run. There were 2 others that didn't start the final that fit in one of those two categories. So 5 of 26. Not unusual for a bigger nation to draw mostly from their primary league. But not sure on any "purity" argument. Angelo Ogbonna was playing for West Ham and his parents are Nigerian. He played in Euro 2016 and Eder, one of a number over the years that were born in Brazil, was in that squad as well. If they are actually looking to be "pure," they mess up pretty regularly. blueseeka and sebdeserio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 19 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said: I think you're mistaken. Italy have been recruiting multiple nationals for a while now, even before not qualifying for Qatar, but that accelerated it. At least you're consistent with your awkwardness with the other, cultural myopia, eagerness to slight and generally parochial postings. I blocked you for months, just unblocked and see that was my mistake. My bad. Ohhh, look at all these lovely words, this is what I like to call the Oxford Flex. You really put your big boy pants on for this one UT. I am impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 Wasn't on Burnley's squad today. I know it was mentioned that he may be going back to the Prem, but Burnley just transferred 19 yr old France winger Odobert to Spurs for 29M Euros a week ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 Saw a report that he has a knock Kadenge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkguy Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Kadenge said: Wasn't on Burnley's squad today. I know it was mentioned that he may be going back to the Prem, but Burnley just transferred 19 yr old France winger Odobert to Spurs for 29M Euros a week ago. Reliable source with direct sources at Wolves. Edited August 24 by Hawkguy Kadenge, Corazon and Borjans Sweatpants 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 On 8/23/2024 at 6:20 AM, sebdeserio said: So because a near octogenarian who managed the team almost 30 years ago says so it means all italians and the Federation itself thinks the same way? Shway can't post without insulting some nationality, coming up with a dumb caricature or manifesting backwater cultural fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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