Luca Koleosho

[MtlMario]

10 minutes ago, Bigandy said:

Why not? He would instantly improve us. If portugal picked staq, we wouldve likely lost him. 

If england wouldnt have picked tomori, he would have been the all time greatest CB for canada. 

Once a player commits, for whatever reason, they can still have incredibly passion and loyalty to the team. 

I guess you did not read the first 4 words but what I'm saying is I would PREFER someone that makes us his first choice instead of his third or fourth. And you're not going to convince me that the fourth choice guy has the same passion for the team as the first choice guy (or we would of been his first choice).

Edited December 7, 2023 by MtlMario

[Bigandy]

1 hour ago, MtlMario said:

I guess you did not read the first 4 words but what I'm saying is I would PREFER someone that makes us his first choice instead of his third or fourth. And you're not going to convince me that the fourth choice guy has the same passion for the team as the first choice guy (or we would of been his first choice).

Fair point but if i was on the verge of playing for holland (15years ago) i wouldve chosen them so I could go to a WC. If I never made it and canada was my back up plan, I would likely have been more passionate about playing for canada because thats where my heart lies.  

Choosing to represent a nation isnt solely down to one criterion - passion. Sometimes guys can pick a nation in spite of passion. On the flipside, theres many guys in CMNT history where canada was there number 1 choice and they havnt seemed really passionate about CMNT. I think its too simplified to say you're automatically passionate if you choose canada. 

Give these guys room to grow and change. We have all done something in life that wasnt our top choice and turned out to actually really enjoy and love it.  Look at hoilett. We were not his first choice and hes one of the most passionate CMNT players ever IMO. I'd take his level of passion every single day. 

[MtlMario]

Well I guess there's 2 players that played for Holland and England would agree with you. Cheers.

[MtlMario]

Just now, MtlMario said:

Well I guess there's 2 players that played for Holland and England would agree with you. Cheers.

 

2 hours ago, Bigandy said:

Fair point but if i was on the verge of playing for holland (15years ago) i wouldve chosen them so I could go to a WC. If I never made it and canada was my back up plan, I would likely have been more passionate about playing for canada because thats where my heart lies.  

Choosing to represent a nation isnt solely down to one criterion - passion. Sometimes guys can pick a nation in spite of passion. On the flipside, theres many guys in CMNT history where canada was there number 1 choice and they havnt seemed really passionate about CMNT. I think its too simplified to say you're automatically passionate if you choose canada. 

Give these guys room to grow and change. We have all done something in life that wasnt our top choice and turned out to actually really enjoy and love it.  Look at hoilett. We were not his first choice and hes one of the most passionate CMNT players ever IMO. I'd take his level of passion every single day. 

 

[Kadenge]

19 yr old France youth international Wilson Odobert who played in Luca's position at left wing, scored today in Burnley's 0-2 away win v Fulham. Wilson is 2 months younger than Luca and has 3 goals in 9 games  (vs 1G in 15 games for Luca) since his transfer from Troyes. Life in the PL. 

[Dominic94]

1 hour ago, Kadenge said:

19 yr old France youth international Wilson Odobert who played in Luca's position at left wing, scored today in Burnley's 0-2 away win v Fulham. Wilson is 2 months younger than Luca and has 3 goals in 9 games  (vs 1G in 15 games for Luca) since his transfer from Troyes. Life in the PL. 

It’s crazy, but the future at burnley is bright.

[costarg]

3 hours ago, Kadenge said:

19 yr old France youth international Wilson Odobert who played in Luca's position at left wing, scored today in Burnley's 0-2 away win v Fulham. Wilson is 2 months younger than Luca and has 3 goals in 9 games  (vs 1G in 15 games for Luca) since his transfer from Troyes. Life in the PL. 

Well that pretty much confirms it, Luca is not good enough for Italy and the USA, he's all ours baby!

[InglewoodJack]

Imagine how insane it must be when you’re a 19 year old phenom, sought after by like 4 national team set ups, contract to play in the world’s biggest league before you can legally drink back home, everything, and yet there’s a younger kid at your position who is better than you, and is going to take your minutes. Game moves fast.

[El Diego]

If anyone watched Troyes last season when Ugbo was playing for them, Odobert was pretty regular for that team and his skill was pretty apparent. One of those players that left PSG youth team to get immediate professional minutes.

[narduch]

 

 

[Shway]

Ill take the odds on Cesare getting the call before Luca 

[Unnamed Trialist]

On 12/27/2023 at 4:22 PM, El Diego said:

If anyone watched Troyes last season when Ugbo was playing for them, Odobert was pretty regular for that team and his skill was pretty apparent. One of those players that left PSG youth team to get immediate professional minutes.

Late to this, but related, Savinho (Savio) at Girona was also at Troyes last year, with few minutes. Also a teen, a Brazilian, a versatile winger. And now he is tearing it up in La Liga, he's probably the revelation player of the year so far, with Girona at the top of the table.

[WestHamCanadianinOxford]

His Burnley maybe need a doable miracle now to avoid relegation . 

Five points back of Forest with a worse goal difference.

 

But Spurs doing lots of people favours lately (bwahaaa) and they play them next and then Forest. 

And Forest do play Chelsea who have found a tiny bit of form.  

[Soccerpro2]

Why bring this thread back to life?

[anthony7]

10 minutes ago, Soccerpro2 said:

Why bring this thread back to life?

Why not? Until he comes out and says who he commits to, we’re still in the mix. Especially, since he was one of the only highly sought after dual nats who made the effort to come to one of the Canada camps. What’s the harm in waiting until he makes his final decision?

Edited May 4 by anthony7

[Soccerpro2]

43 minutes ago, anthony7 said:

Why not? Until he comes out and says who he commits to, we’re still in the mix. Especially, since he was one of the only highly sought after dual nats who made the effort to come to one of the Canada camps. What’s the harm in waiting until he makes his final decision?

Because it’s clear he’s not playing for Canada and this thread is for Canadian players. Stop beating a dead horse.

[anthony7]

7 minutes ago, Soccerpro2 said:

Because it’s clear he’s not playing for Canada and this thread is for Canadian players. Stop beating a dead horse.

I respectfully disagree.

[Soccerpro2]

53 minutes ago, anthony7 said:

I respectfully disagree.

What can you possibly point to that gives a shred of credibility to the notion he could play for us besides the fact he went to some CMNT camps as a youngster for us when Herdman was manager (during the absolute middle of the players labour strife, including our players refusing to play A MATCH,  which I'm sure left a great impression on the kid)

He's not from Canada and has never lived here. He's born and bred in the U.S. He's never played for any of our teams in a match. He's played for his home countries' u15 and u20 squads. He's played for Italy's u19 squad in official competition AFTER he joined our senior camps. He's also eligible for Nigeria. His only connection to Canada is that his mom is Italian-Canadian.

He is (at least for this season) a premier league player who now has serious options with countries that are far better than ours, to which he has more of a connection, and whose programs aren't in absolute turmoil.

Herdman (smartly) tried to get this young lad with lots of promise into our program while he had potential but wasn't a known commodity at the senior level when it seemed like our program was on the cusp. None of that is a reality anymore.

Why is he going to play for Canada?

 

Edited May 4 by Soccerpro2

[Unnamed Trialist]

Just so you get the protocol, @Soccerpro2, until a player is definitively cap-tied to another nation, their thread remains here, National Team, and we report on them if we wish.

Just clarifying, he never went to a substantial US camp, they were throwaway B camps, even when he was at Espanyol. And he attended 2 Canadian camps, one before the World Cup. I think if he had not had that long term ankle injury, he might have played for Espanyol in La Liga in fall 2022 and then have been called for Qatar.

Then, Italy for sure courted him and brought him into youth competitions, starting in spring 2023, and into the fall. He would seem to be in the Italy stream. And he has never lived in Italy, his mother is from Montreal Italian stock.

But still, the step up from an Italy u19 tournament to the senior team is huge. He could easily get left off of senior call-ups once he "comes of age", and then be available again. And this even more so with a long term injury that may mean he'll take longer to get back into top form.

It makes sense to report on a player like this. 

If Burnley go down it may not be a bad place for him to continue to develop. 

[anthony7]

3 hours ago, Soccerpro2 said:

What can you possibly point to that gives a shred of credibility to the notion he could play for us besides the fact he went to some CMNT camps as a youngster for us when Herdman was manager (during the absolute middle of the players labour strife, including our players refusing to play A MATCH,  which I'm sure left a great impression on the kid)

He's not from Canada and has never lived here. He's born and bred in the U.S. He's never played for any of our teams in a match. He's played for his home countries' u15 and u20 squads. He's played for Italy's u19 squad in official competition AFTER he joined our senior camps. He's also eligible for Nigeria. His only connection to Canada is that his mom is Italian-Canadian.

He is (at least for this season) a premier league player who now has serious options with countries that are far better than ours, to which he has more of a connection, and whose programs aren't in absolute turmoil.

Herdman (smartly) tried to get this young lad with lots of promise into our program while he had potential but wasn't a known commodity at the senior level when it seemed like our program was on the cusp. None of that is a reality anymore.

Why is he going to play for Canada?

 

Why would he play for Canada? Hmm.. let’s see, maybe because he pretty much walks into this team in a forward position. When he most likely gets relegated to the championship I don’t think that does him any favours for a regular involvement in the Italian National Team. Based on there failure to make the last World Cup, I would expect the manger would want his players to play high level minutes for good teams in Tier 1 leagues. For the U.S.A he does not walk into that 11. He would have to fight for his place.

For Canada I heard he is a big fan of Alphonso Davies. Imagine the comradery Koleosho could build with him and are other young stars in David & Buchanan. He would be welcomed with open arms and valued as a big piece.

Yes, he came to our camp at the wrong time but now new leadership is in place so there should be reason to be optimistic. There already off to great start with the high quality friendlies booked for this year.

Honestly, if I were him I could see the U.S.A choice. I feel the U.S.A could use a few more dual nationals like Koleosho to make a serious case of winning the 2026 World Cup on home soil. Again, he would have fight for his place. I feel he would be nice role player to help them make a real push to win it all.

At the end of the day, you need to just CHILL OUT and see how this plays out cause it could literally go either way.

[Soccerpro2]

9 minutes ago, anthony7 said:

Why would he play for Canada? Hmm.. let’s see, maybe because he pretty much walks into this team in a forward position. When he most likely gets relegated to the championship I don’t think that does him any favours for a regular involvement in the Italian National Team. Based on there failure to make the last World Cup, I would expect the manger would want his players to play high level minutes for good teams in Tier 1 leagues. For the U.S.A he does not walk into that 11. He would have to fight for his place.

For Canada I heard he is a big fan of Alphonso Davies. Imagine the comradery Koleosho could build with him and are other young stars in David & Buchanan. He would be welcomed with open arms and valued as a big piece.

Yes, he came to our camp at the wrong time but now new leadership is in place so there should be reason to be optimistic. There already off to great start with the high quality friendlies booked for this year.

Honestly, if I were him I could see the U.S.A choice. I feel the U.S.A could use a few more dual nationals like Koleosho to make a serious case of winning the 2026 World Cup on home soil. Again, he would have fight for his place. I feel he would be nice role player to help them make a real push to win it all.

At the end of the day, you need to just CHILL OUT and see how this plays out cause it could literally go either way.

Dont tell me to chill out. Write a post that uses common sense and I won’t respond next time.

Your 2nd paragraph is word vomit. “Imagine that comradery he could build with Pulisic and Reyna, he would be welcomed with open arms”. Do you hear yourself?

Edited May 5 by Soccerpro2

[Soccerpro2]

1 hour ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Just so you get the protocol, @Soccerpro2, until a player is definitively cap-tied to another nation, their thread remains here, National Team, and we report on them if we wish.

Just clarifying, he never went to a substantial US camp, they were throwaway B camps, even when he was at Espanyol. And he attended 2 Canadian camps, one before the World Cup. I think if he had not had that long term ankle injury, he might have played for Espanyol in La Liga in fall 2022 and then have been called for Qatar.

Then, Italy for sure courted him and brought him into youth competitions, starting in spring 2023, and into the fall. He would seem to be in the Italy stream. And he has never lived in Italy, his mother is from Montreal Italian stock.

But still, the step up from an Italy u19 tournament to the senior team is huge. He could easily get left off of senior call-ups once he "comes of age", and then be available again. And this even more so with a long term injury that may mean he'll take longer to get back into top form.

It makes sense to report on a player like this. 

If Burnley go down it may not be a bad place for him to continue to develop. 

None of this accounts for the fact that if he shows any form remotely close to what he showed last year he will play for the U.S if he doesn’t rise to level of the Italy national team someday (which is always difficult).

Edited May 5 by Soccerpro2

[anthony7]

7 minutes ago, Soccerpro2 said:

Dont tell me to chill out. Write a post that uses common sense and I won’t respond next time.

It’s ok man. No need to get worked up over nothing. Let the kid take his time.

Edited May 5 by anthony7

[longlugan]

10 hours ago, Soccerpro2 said:

Dont tell me to chill out. Write a post that uses common sense and I won’t respond next time.

Your 2nd paragraph is word vomit. “Imagine that comradery he could build with Pulisic and Reyna, he would be welcomed with open arms”. Do you hear yourself?

As UT noted above he stays in this thread until he makes an official choice. Stop with your word vomit.

[costarg]

16 hours ago, Soccerpro2 said:

What can you possibly point to that gives a shred of credibility to the notion he could play for us

 

He's still nursing a long term knee injury.  Who knows what level he comes back at and how long it takes him to hit 100% if he even attains 100% recovery. 

Playing Italy U21 doesn't mean he graduates to the senior squad. 

The US has some pretty heavy competition at his position.

He can google, DeGuzman, Tomori, etc... to see what happened there.  A quasi-automatic starter for an up and coming Canada is not such a bad deal.

Nothing is set in stone here.