Cblake Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 7 hours ago, VinceA said: Interesting to see some of the names listed. I do hope the CSA takes into account guys who are already playing pro, which at the U20 level we have an abundance like we've never had before. I would think almost anyone in the U20 pool would be a pro at this point outside of someone exceptional in the US College ranks. Is there one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 On 2/13/2022 at 9:07 PM, Cblake said: I would think almost anyone in the U20 pool would be a pro at this point outside of someone exceptional in the US College ranks. Is there one? Academy doesn’t count for pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Floortom, dyslexic nam, MtlMario and 12 others 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceA Posted February 18, 2022 Author Share Posted February 18, 2022 I'm very interested to see what formation this team uses. Lots of wingers and a lack of defending depth makes me think we won't be seeing a 3-4-3 or a 3-5-2 but then again they might want to emulate the senior team as much as they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceA Posted February 18, 2022 Author Share Posted February 18, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, VinceA said: I'm very interested to see what formation this team uses. Lots of wingers and a lack of defending depth makes me think we won't be seeing a 3-4-3 or a 3-5-2 but then again they might want to emulate the senior team as much as they can. If we ran a 3-5-2, this could be interesting but I have no idea how the left side of the defense will look. I just put an out of position Franklin, but I supposed Habibullah could play there. Also realistically you'd want something that can use wingers, otherwise guys like Habibullah and Atanasov have nowhere to play except out of position up top or as a wingback. Lots of questions to be asked. Edited February 18, 2022 by VinceA Shway, Corazon, Ivan and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 I really hope this U20 camp is not at the same time as our CMNT window. Herdman needs to be present to take a good look at the players and that will not happen if they are run simultaneously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Kadenge said: I really hope this U20 camp is not at the same time as our CMNT window. They will likely overlap just because a FIFA window helps get players released from their clubs. Jedi Ram, narduch, Shway and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Anyone know when Concacaf is holding the draw for the final tournament? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 34 minutes ago, narduch said: Anyone know when Concacaf is holding the draw for the final tournament? Months away I'd guess. They still haven't officially announced a host. narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 I think I have figured out how this tournament will work with 20 teams. It will run similar to the Concacaf U-20 Women's Championship that is about to start on Friday. That tournament also has 20 teams where 4 qualified in a Preliminary tournament. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_CONCACAF_Women's_U-20_Championship The 4 teams that qualified in the Pre-tournament go directly to the round of 16 in the Knock-out stages (DR, Curacao, Nicaragua, Puerto Rico). The 16 teams that have already qualified will be put in 4 groups of 4. The top 3 teams for each group will advance. It looks like Canada will be in Pot 3 for this draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Pot 3 is a bit rough but is what it is when we don't put the same focus/time/resources into it as others above. Could end up in a real nasty group though. narduch, Corazon, johnyb and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 hour ago, toontownman said: Pot 3 is a bit rough but is what it is when we don't put the same focus/time/resources into it as others above. Could end up in a real nasty group though. To then expect wonders. toontownman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 hour ago, toontownman said: Could end up in a real nasty group though. Most hypothetical groups look really tough. Based on the seeding posted by @narduch , the Group of Life would be Panama - Cuba - Canada - Aruba. The Group of Death would be Mexico (with Flores) - Costa Rica - Canada - ??? toontownman and narduch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metro Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 It will be 20 teams, not 16. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_CONCACAF_U-20_Championship So assuming four groups of 5, Canada will be in pot 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, Metro said: It will be 20 teams, not 16. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_CONCACAF_U-20_Championship So assuming four groups of 5, Canada will be in pot 2. Re read my post above. The 4 teams that played in the pre qualifying tournament will go directly to the knockout stage. Check out the format for the Women's U-20 which is starting on Friday. Metro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metro Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 ^^ OK, I didn't understand it because it doesn't make sense. Why do the 4 worst teams get a bye into the knockout? Because CONCACAF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Metro said: ^^ OK, I didn't understand it because it doesn't make sense. Why do the 4 worst teams get a bye into the knockout? Because CONCACAF? Of course it doesn't make sense. But these are the same people that created that original stupid WCQ format. Those 4 teams will have to play a 1st place team from the group stage. So they will more than likely be out after 1 game. The one thing about this format is that it is pretty forgiving if you start slow. You just need to get in the top 3 in your group Metro and lamptern 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zem Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Metro said: ^^ OK, I didn't understand it because it doesn't make sense. Why do the 4 worst teams get a bye into the knockout? Because CONCACAF? Because they already played in a qualifying tournament, and the extra cost of accommodations needed to play a second group stage is not an expense many of the smaller federations can easily afford. It would basically be extra financial punishment for any team that isn't in the top 16. They also get drawn against the group winners in the round of 16, so they aren't getting any kind of advantage, in the end. narduch and Jedi Ram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 3 hours ago, narduch said: I think I have figured out how this tournament will work with 20 teams. lol that looks like a retro Men's Concacaf ranking table from yrs gone by. Let's hope our youth teams/camps are set up and operate under the same level of professionalism as our Men's team narduch and johnyb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Don't understand why Biello wasn't given the honors. I guess he is too important to lose from the CNMT Qualifiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Ram Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, narduch said: I think I have figured out how this tournament will work with 20 teams. It will run similar to the Concacaf U-20 Women's Championship that is about to start on Friday. That tournament also has 20 teams where 4 qualified in a Preliminary tournament. The 16 teams that have already qualified will be put in 4 groups of 4. The top 3 teams for each group will advance. So to clarify; Semi-Finalists qualify for 2023 FIFA U-23 World Cup in Indonesia Finalists qualify for 2024 Summer Olympics in France What about 2023 Pan-American Games in Chile ? In the past, this tournament was also used as a qualification. For reference : 2018 CONCACAF U-20 Championship - Wikipedia Edited February 19, 2022 by Jedi Ram Included the reference for Pan American Games narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Jedi Ram said: So to clarify; Semi-Finalists qualify for 2023 FIFA U-23 World Cup in Indonesia Finalists qualify for 2024 Summer Olympics in France What about 2023 Pan-American Games in Chile ? In the past, this tournament was also used as a qualification. For reference : 2018 CONCACAF U-20 Championship - Wikipedia That's right. 3 teams from each group of 4 advance to the knockout stages. You need to win 2 knockout matches to make the U-20 World Cup and 3 to make the Olympics. A lot of it may simply come down to luck of the bracket johnyb and Jedi Ram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 4 hours ago, toontownman said: Don't understand why Biello wasn't given the honors. I guess he is too important to lose from the CNMT Qualifiers. Dunno... ...because Olivieri told the CSA he was up to the job and they believed him? BTW , where is @SpecialK ? Does anybody know who he is IRL? toontownman, Shway, Kadenge and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red card Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 9 hours ago, toontownman said: Don't understand why Biello wasn't given the honors. I guess he is too important to lose from the CNMT Qualifiers. As posted in the CMNT general thread, this podcast got a leaked video from 2020 of Herdman's presentation of his vision to achieve tactical excellence. After Herdman, they mentioned Olivieri did most of the presenting. So like some underestimated Herdman's tactical acumen, we may be doing the same with Olivieri. While we haven't seen it yet with Olivieri, he may actually be a stable genius. toontownman and Olympique_de_Marseille 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, red card said: underestimated...Olivieri....While we haven't seen it yet with Olivieri, he may actually be a stable genius If we see anything interesting at the U-20s I'll be the first to admit I've underestimated him. In fact, I almost certainly have. For now, ever since @SpecialK went on his huge rant and compared Olivieri to Peter Griffin, I've just been having too much fun posting Family Guy GIFs. Edited February 20, 2022 by Olympique_de_Marseille toontownman and red card 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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