kingvikingstad Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 56 minutes ago, Grandbloke said: Koné had a bad game against Argentina and it’s time to give Choinière a start. I don’t think we are at the point where Koné is an automatic starter. He did have a poor game but in my eyes, you're breaking trust if the first time a player has a poor game you pull them for someone who didn't even come off the bench. I think he's earned a lot more than. I'd add that he was frustrated with himself too, so its not like he would disagree with the assessment. I'd put my trust in him to rebound! Free kick, Canuckia, king1010 and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhoops__ Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 (edited) Yes, we’ll run it back with the same starting 11 and give the boys a chance to find some joy. Edited June 21 by jhoops__ king1010, Club Linesman, PegCityCam and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 37 minutes ago, kingvikingstad said: I'd add that he was frustrated with himself too, so its not like he would disagree with the assessment. I'd put my trust in him to rebound! Yup, could see he was pissed with his performance. Players are human. The Atlanta Messi circus and their supporters may have had an impact on Kone. After his master performance vs France he probably felt pressure to replicate it and ended up forcing things. It happens. Keep in mind he was the youngest player on the field. I have no doubt he will rebound in our next game CanadaFan123, jdcyantsis, 74 Whitecap and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 1 hour ago, gator said: That's what is a little bewidering about last night, he had arguably his best match in a Canada shirt vs the #2 team in the world, I expected him to just carry on from there! I don't think he was overwhelmed by the occasion last night, I think it may have just been a bad day at the office, all players have them! I'm going with he was completely overwhelmed by the occasion. That's over the top but you get the idea. Just feels that way to me because of what he was doing that was giving me a brain tumor. He seemed off script in his movements at times, hesitant at others, and so wasteful with the ball. Against Argentina of all teams to-boot. Ug. It wasn't all bad out there. He'll bounce back I think, instantly. The touney has started, he's been bloodied up a bit, now maybe he'll be able to put all this spotlight/big transfer move business out of his head and get on with the footballing in front of him. Tomorrow can take care of itself. Zen Cheeta. P.S. If I was JM any changes I'd have in mind for Peru wouldn't involve Kone. WestHamCanadianinOxford, gator, Canuckia and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eramosat Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 6 hours ago, Bison44 said: We look at it and lament he had a poor game with so many cheap giveaways. But the typical big time manager might not see it that way, a championship player against all the top 5 league guys on Arg would be a mismatch most times eh? I dont think that performance gets him a big transfer, but it prob doesnt hurt him as much as we might think it does. I think it's insane that his own fanbase is crucifying him as much as they are. There is no one else who has Kone's potential. I didn't think Kone's problems last night were entirely self-inflicted...they were due to the pressure Argentina put on him, plus the formation Canada plays where he has outsized responsibilities. Maybe some unforced mistakes...but in a situation where it makes sense, nobody but the goalkeeper and the centre-backs were under more pressure to perform at a high level, every touch. And I also don't see any replacement doing nearly as well as he can. Even with Kone's biggest mistakes...Piette would have been absolute fodder...is there a part of the fanbase that insist Choniere, or someone else, would have been superior, against that pressure? I have zero issues with Kone continuing to start, and also finish, Cope matches. If coaches do otherwise, that would be very surprising. gator, Borjans Sweatpants, PegCityCam and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
74 Whitecap Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 3 minutes ago, eramosat said: I think it's insane that his own fanbase is crucifying him as much as they are. There is no one else who has Kone's potential. I didn't think Kone's problems last night were entirely self-inflicted...they were due to the pressure Argentina put on him, plus the formation Canada plays where he has outsized responsibilities. Maybe some unforced mistakes...but in a situation where it makes sense, nobody but the goalkeeper and the centre-backs were under more pressure to perform at a high level, every touch. And I also don't see any replacement doing nearly as well as he can. Even with Kone's biggest mistakes...Piette would have been absolute fodder...is there a part of the fanbase that insist Choniere, or someone else, would have been superior, against that pressure? I have zero issues with Kone continuing to start, and also finish, Cope matches. If coaches do otherwise, that would be very surprising. 100% correct in my opinion. My bigger worry is that he picks up another yellow vs Peru and we don't have him vs. Chile Addona, maccaliam and costarg 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kacbru Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 38 minutes ago, eramosat said: I think it's insane that his own fanbase is crucifying him as much as they are. There is no one else who has Kone's potential. I didn't think Kone's problems last night were entirely self-inflicted...they were due to the pressure Argentina put on him, plus the formation Canada plays where he has outsized responsibilities. Maybe some unforced mistakes...but in a situation where it makes sense, nobody but the goalkeeper and the centre-backs were under more pressure to perform at a high level, every touch. And I also don't see any replacement doing nearly as well as he can. Even with Kone's biggest mistakes...Piette would have been absolute fodder...is there a part of the fanbase that insist Choniere, or someone else, would have been superior, against that pressure? I have zero issues with Kone continuing to start, and also finish, Cope matches. If coaches do otherwise, that would be very surprising. There is a difference between pointing out the painful giveaways and noting his sub-standard performance and calling for a change in the midfield. I don't think Kone had a good game - he struggled with the simple things and gave the ball away a few times in bad situations. But it was Argentina. As you say, any other option for us would have been burned far more. He's a lock in our midfield now, and he's only going to get better. I only want to see him on the bench if he's exhausted or injured. 74 Whitecap, costarg and Ivan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandbloke Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 1 hour ago, eramosat said: There is no one else who has Kone's potential. None of our other central midfielders have Koné’s potential. With that I agree 100%. But Choinière has much more professional experience and at the present time might be as good or better than Koné. Why not see what Choinière can do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king1010 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Grandbloke said: None of our other central midfielders have Koné’s potential. With that I agree 100%. But Choinière has much more professional experience and at the present time might be as good or better than Koné. Why not see what Choinière can do? Because at present time he is not as good or better than koné because the copa america is not the time to see what someone can do, thats for friendlies Because he doesn't have that much more professional experience while kone has more international experience Edited June 22 by king1010 Kusch to the Corner, InglewoodJack, kacbru and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandbloke Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 7 minutes ago, king1010 said: Because at present time he is not as good or better than koné And how can you be sure of that? king1010 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kacbru Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 2 minutes ago, Grandbloke said: And how can you be sure of that? Because the coach that has much more experience than I do, and who watches them train, watches tape of their game, etc. says so. king1010 and jhoops__ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingvikingstad Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 27 minutes ago, Grandbloke said: And how can you be sure of that? If Marsch had that as a consideration he'd have started him over Kone in one of the friendlies and brought him in as a sub instead of Osorio vs Argentina. So even if you're right, making this change after a loss to Argentina, a couple games after arguably Kone's best game of his life, it just doesn't make any sense. MAYBE (I wouldn't) you consider it in game three if you lose to Peru and Kone is again the worst player on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandbloke Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 27 minutes ago, kingvikingstad said: If Marsch had that as a consideration he'd have started him over Kone in one of the friendlies and brought him in as a sub instead of Osorio vs Argentina. Yes, Marsch would seem to rate Osorio over Choinière, but I wonder why. jhoops__ and Bison44 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 11 hours ago, jhoops__ said: Yes, we’ll run it back with the same starting 11 and give the boys a chance to find some joy. I think so too. Also because it's not clear what the clear alternatives are. I'd love to be able to drop Larin and add a mid, Choinière or Osorio. Or find another way to make Tajon work. But Kone won't be changed the moment we have a rival where the model we've tried vs top teams has a chance at working vs a lesser rival. Unless someone's really hurting of course. Canuckia and costarg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 You can see that Larin's timing is still off due to his club form, but at least he's getting into great scoring positions. He had 2 solid chances to score vs Argentina. I'm hoping he can break the ice vs Peru. Not a physical player but his big body should help. Probably early changes if we are not up by 60' Canuckia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantic Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Linked to Roma, Marseille and West Ham. Tweet says he’s “one of the most appreciated midfielders in Europe”. Approve My Account Pls, Canuckia, Unnamed Trialist and 5 others 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king1010 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 toontownman, Approve My Account Pls, jhoops__ and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhoops__ Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Marseille would be incredible! Great stadium and some of the best supporters in the world… DeRo_Is_King, johnyb, sebdeserio and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhoops__ Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 West Ham interest too wow! DeRo_Is_King 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saladroit Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 15 minutes ago, king1010 said: pretty obvious that agents of canmnt players are leaking interest in their players during copa america to drive the prices up. i know he's pretty annoying sometimes but wheeler called this out on one of the onesoccer shows recently and i agree with him that it's distractions costarg, johnyb, FC_Hali and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantic Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 13 minutes ago, saladroit said: pretty obvious that agents of canmnt players are leaking interest in their players during copa america to drive the prices up. i know he's pretty annoying sometimes but wheeler called this out on one of the onesoccer shows recently and i agree with him that it's distractions Tbf there’s a big difference between Scianatti versus Romano/Moretto tweeting this stuff narduch, johnyb, jhoops__ and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FC_Hali Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Part of the business. I think it’s exciting to hear our players being “linked” to big clubs. I like the idea of our boys being hungry to showcase their game with this spotlight. A good tournament can make a major difference in their careers. Canuckia, An Observer, jhoops__ and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 3 hours ago, saladroit said: pretty obvious that agents of canmnt players are leaking interest in their players during copa america to drive the prices up. i know he's pretty annoying sometimes but wheeler called this out on one of the onesoccer shows recently and i agree with him that it's distractions If I had a nickel for every Jonathan David tweet over the years..... narduch, Kusch to the Corner, blueseeka and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 5 hours ago, Atlantic said: Linked to Roma, Marseille and West Ham. Tweet says he’s “one of the most appreciated midfielders in Europe”. I'll take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueseeka Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 (edited) 2 hours ago, costarg said: If I had a nickel for every Jonathan David tweet over the years..... We would be so damn RICH Edited June 23 by blueseeka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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