WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 (edited) 4 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said: For me he was very good but still has some major improvements to make. He doesn't have his pass in his head when he gets the ball. He does not fully combine passing with those around him, he isolates himself. He sems to be more reactive than proactive. He has great runs into space but doesn't release when its time. His role isn't that clearly defined either but that's on his coaches: DM, CM, AM? He clearly needs a step up in team and coaching, and maybe playing beside quality mids, to fix a few things to raise his game. He can't be "good for his age" for much longer. Overegging the pudding a bit in your first paragraph. One of our best (few) chances against the Netherlands came from his pass. Yesterday, he was on par or better in number of passes with everyone but Eustaquio and the centre backs. And his accuracy was still well above 90%. Not bad for a Championship player 😉. Edited June 10 by WestHamCanadianinOxford Corazon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 24 minutes ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said: Overegging the pudding a bit in your first paragraph. One of our best (few) chances against the Netherlands came from his pass. Yesterday, he was on par or better in number of passes with everyone but Eustaquio and the centre backs. And his accuracy was still well above 90%. Not bad for a Championship player 😉. You just have to watch him, not go digging around for metrics. WestHamCanadianinOxford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 3 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said: You just have to watch him, not go digging around for metrics. Pretty standard thing to say when they argue strongly against your point.😄 I did watch him. He was not caught on the ball often, certainly less than some of our other, higher league attackers and when he was, he had the strength to push out of it. If he was actually isolating himself, he would either lose the ball a lot (didn't) or be forced into bad passes (didn't). Reactive vs. proactive - We were playing with 2 midfielders. A lot of the time, he needed proactively push out into space before making a good pass or at least the safe pass because he was against 2 very high level quick midfielders and Greizmann was hanging around at times. A reactive choice is to always try the pass. The fact that we had 89% passing, when we have been killed by bad passes at times, is one of the big reasons we kept things as tight as they were. He was a big part of that. An Observer and CanadaFan123 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FC_Hali Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 For me, MOTM vs France and his best performance yet for Canada. Loved seeing him out-dual Camavinga and consistently be an outlet with his powerful dribbling. Relieved a lot of pressure for us in that regard. I have to give credit to both him and Eustaquio for playing France’s midfield to basically a stand-still. big summer ahead for him, I gather. The commentators seem to think he’ll be on the move. Looks like his contract is up in 2027, FWIW. In any case, if he can find consistency performing like this, he’s capable of levelling up. Cheeta, Canuckia, MauditYvon and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 11 hours ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said: Overegging the pudding a bit in your first paragraph. One of our best (few) chances against the Netherlands came from his pass. Yesterday, he was on par or better in number of passes with everyone but Eustaquio and the centre backs. And his accuracy was still well above 90%. Not bad for a Championship player 😉. The entire team had 89% passing accuracy. They didn't press us and we didn't play high risk passes, just the opposite, we back-passed and side to side a lot. Giving us 48% possession and three scoring chances. For the life of me I don't see Kone in synch with anyone else on the pitch. I mean, Staq-Kone, is that a duo you identify? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 1 hour ago, FC_Hali said: For me, MOTM vs France and his best performance yet for Canada. Loved seeing him out-dual Camavinga and consistently be an outlet with his powerful dribbling. Relieved a lot of pressure for us in that regard. I have to give credit to both him and Eustaquio for playing France’s midfield to basically a stand-still. big summer ahead for him, I gather. The commentators seem to think he’ll be on the move. Looks like his contract is up in 2027, FWIW. In any case, if he can find consistency performing like this, he’s capable of levelling up. If he has a good Copa America tournament, then I can see more offers coming in for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, Unnamed Trialist said: The entire team had 89% passing accuracy. They didn't press us and we didn't play high risk passes, just the opposite, we back-passed and side to side a lot. Giving us 48% possession and three scoring chances. For the life of me I don't see Kone in synch with anyone else on the pitch. I mean, Staq-Kone, is that a duo you identify? Honestly really strange take, like your heading isn't a part of modern football. You are trying to tell me because he passed the ball well and often, as part of an overall good passing performance that indicates he is not "in sync with anyone else on the pitch?" Seems to absolutely counter logic. As I covered: If that was the case, he would have given the ball away a lot and he didn't. I didn't see it and the stats don't reflect that. He wasn't locked in place with Eustaquio. Is that what you mean? He had some good movement and passes in the final third while Eustaquio held back more. But that is by design, no? He made one of better chances we had, into Larin with a pass from the side of the box, in one of those spells. He had the through ball for David whose shot was blocked. The quick ball over the top for Tajon, who was offside. Again not sure anyone else saw what you are seeing. Maybe some examples? Edited June 11 by WestHamCanadianinOxford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 36 minutes ago, phresh said: Really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 30 minutes ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said: Honestly really strange take, like your heading isn't a part of modern football. You are trying to tell me because he passed the ball well and often, as part of an overall good passing performance that indicates he is not "in sync with anyone else on the pitch?" Seems to absolutely counter logic. As I covered: If that was the case, he would have given the ball away a lot and he didn't. I didn't see it and the stats don't reflect that. He wasn't locked in place with Eustaquio. Is that what you mean? He had some good movement and passes in the final third while Eustaquio held back more. But that is by design, no? He made one of better chances we had, into Larin with a pass from the side of the box, in one of those spells. He had the through ball for David whose shot was blocked. The quick ball over the top for Tajon, who was offside. Again not sure anyone else saw what you are seeing. Maybe some examples? Geez you cite metrics and I say naa....I cite metrics to humour you and you say naa...you keep bouncing back and forth. But at least you analyzed his play and not his metrics with that post. The video above shows he was really good and I think better than I thought while watching live. As was the entire team. And he was better vs France than vs Holland. As was the team. Name one player who was better vs the Dutch. Anyways, he obviously deserves a step up in club play to develop further. jonovision and 74 Whitecap 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 3 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said: Geez you cite metrics and I say naa....I cite metrics to humour you and you say naa...you keep bouncing back and forth. But at least you analyzed his play and not his metrics with that post. The video above shows he was really good and I think better than I thought while watching live. As was the entire team. And he was better vs France than vs Holland. As was the team. Name one player who was better vs the Dutch. Anyways, he obviously deserves a step up in club play to develop further. Probably easier to just say you were mistaken next time. I had fun with the circular argue the argument technique too in academia but not a lot of point here. I never said "naaa" to any metric. I said they showed the opposite of your point. Ie. Even the ones you accepted, showed he had a good passing game as part of a team passing performance - he was not isolating himself. You seemed sceptical of stats, so I added some passages of play to my argument and asked for the same from you. You then conceded. Yes he does need a better situation. Do you think Barcelona is good enough for him? They only averaged 87% passing again opposition mostly worse than France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clamlinguine Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 2 hours ago, phresh said: Impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borjans Sweatpants Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 9 hours ago, phresh said: So good, particularly love the two clips near the end (2:20ish on) where he shakes off Camavinga and red should’ve given advantage, and then his standing tackle on Camavinga. Just so good, so excited for his development maccaliam, costarg, Unnamed Trialist and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 8 hours ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said: Probably easier to just say you were mistaken next time. I had fun with the circular argue the argument technique too in academia but not a lot of point here. I never said "naaa" to any metric. I said they showed the opposite of your point. Ie. Even the ones you accepted, showed he had a good passing game as part of a team passing performance - he was not isolating himself. You seemed sceptical of stats, so I added some passages of play to my argument and asked for the same from you. You then conceded. Yes he does need a better situation. Do you think Barcelona is good enough for him? They only averaged 87% passing again opposition mostly worse than France. Don't argue desperately, it's self demeaning. I've already said he needs to get out of Championship to develop and all my posts recognize his virtues. WestHamCanadianinOxford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 14 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said: Don't argue desperately, it's self demeaning. I've already said he needs to get out of Championship to develop and all my posts recognize his virtues. Ha. Don't argue dishonestly and personally on a football site of all things. It is so much more so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 11 hours ago, phresh said: I loved the glimpses of Mbappe, nice touch. sebdeserio, Canuckia, johnyb and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 2 hours ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said: Ha. Don't argue dishonestly and personally on a football site of all things. It is so much more so. Pretty well anyone arguing with me has to bring up Barcelona it's a clear admission they've run out of arguments. WestHamCanadianinOxford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Just now, Unnamed Trialist said: Pretty well anyone arguing with me has to bring up Barcelona it's a clear admission they've run out of arguments. Or a joke, mate. You though that was serious?😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kacbru Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Joe MacCarthy said: Yes. And I didn't have to make a video. Edited June 13 by kacbru johnyb, frmr, costarg and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eramosat Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 I so look forward to him upping his game. His development in all aspects...communication w. teammates, identifying proper plays before he receives the ball, taking his best up-field turn opportunities, and so on...should translate immediately to meaningfully improved performance for just about all of his teammates. He's quite simply the biggest potential upgrade on the Canadian team right now. Just by getting a bit better every once in a while. Fresh Prince of MTL, jhoops__, An Observer and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PegCityCam Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 19 minutes ago, Borjans Sweatpants said: Black Star vs Koné is next level. Love this. Borjans Sweatpants 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maccaliam Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 (edited) 30 minutes ago, PegCityCam said: Black Star vs Koné is next level. Love this. Koné seems like a soft-spoken, genuinely nice person. Hopefully he and the team can step up and do something special this tournament. Edited June 15 by maccaliam Spelling PegCityCam, Canuckia, Kadenge and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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