Obinna Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 Roma could be a place where he can afford to be brought on slowly and eventually grow into a starting role, maybe in season 2. I do think he would benefit from more games, so I wouldn't mind seeing another full championship season with Watford first, then move to Roma. But that said, if you are Kone I think you have to move if Roma wants you. Kind of like Buchanan with Inter. I kind of like the idea of Roma buying him and loaning him back to Watford, or even to Udinese, but the key to any loan is that he plays. If Roma buy him and keep him bring him on slowly though, I think I am relatively comfortable with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitfire Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 (edited) It's a crazy question right now when it comes to our players not just Kone.. there has been a conversation in our house atm about where it would be better to goto a premier league team and be a squad player ..to have to fight to get playing time and hope for an opportunity and take advantage of it..or goto a top 3/4 Championship team looking to get promoted and be the main man(or one of them... And yes there are both options atm... I guess the point i'm making do you go to Roma and maybe not play loads of mins right away(ala Tajon) but be in an amazing enviroment and be surrounded by great players and take your chance or take a smaller step up to lets say Udinese and then take another step... million dollar question.. Edited June 1 by spitfire Watchmen, Canuckia, GasPed and 14 others 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 10 minutes ago, spitfire said: It's a crazy question right now when it comes to our players not just Kone.. there has been a conversation in our house atm about where it would be better to goto a premier league team and be a squad player ..to have to fight to get playing time and hope for an opportunity and take advantage of it..or goto a top 3/4 Championship team looking to get promoted and be the main man(or one of them... And yes there are both options atm... I guess the point i'm making do you go to Roma and maybe not play loads of mins right away(ala Tajon) but be in an amazing enviroment and be surrounded by great players and take your chance or take a smaller step up to lets say Udinese and then take another step... million dollar question.. It's a tough call with probably no right answer and probably comes down to the details of each specific opportunity, I suppose. I will add that for Liam, I think it would depend on who the EPL clubs are. If it's a really big club with a realistic path to becoming a starter down the road, that's one thing, but if it's a smaller club at risk of going down, the Championship move could be better, maybe? Then again though, if it's a smaller EPL club we are talking, Liam would probably get brought on more quickly than Kone would at Roma, so that would make it a different situation somewhat, and that could be gamble worth taking, because getting those EPL minutes in itself would be worth it perhaps, even if you do go down at the end of it. No Championship team is guaranteed promotion, so if there is a realistic chance to play decent EPL minutes, may be worth taking? Again though, like you said million dollar question. Who the hell knows. One could endlessly go back and forth on it. Canuckia, spitfire and GasPed 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 1 hour ago, Kadenge said: Got it. Btw, other than a stretch of games where he was on the bench Kone did start a lot of games for Watford. Keep in mind he had to deal with a turnover of coaches this past season Yeah, I also think one of the coaches was rotating players almost by the half quite a bit purposely to protect them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 1 hour ago, Obinna said: It's a tough call with probably no right answer and probably comes down to the details of each specific opportunity, I suppose. I will add that for Liam, I think it would depend on who the EPL clubs are. If it's a really big club with a realistic path to becoming a starter down the road, that's one thing, but if it's a smaller club at risk of going down, the Championship move could be better, maybe? Then again though, if it's a smaller EPL club we are talking, Liam would probably get brought on more quickly than Kone would at Roma, so that would make it a different situation somewhat, and that could be gamble worth taking, because getting those EPL minutes in itself would be worth it perhaps, even if you do go down at the end of it. No Championship team is guaranteed promotion, so if there is a realistic chance to play decent EPL minutes, may be worth taking? Again though, like you said million dollar question. Who the hell knows. One could endlessly go back and forth on it. And of course, you can even be "the man" at a promoted side and still get replaced because the manager thinks they've found someone better for the next level. Obinna and rkomar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 1 hour ago, spitfire said: It's a crazy question right now when it comes to our players not just Kone.. ... million dollar question.. Literally. No stress. None whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GasPed Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 2 hours ago, spitfire said: It's a crazy question right now when it comes to our players not just Kone.. there has been a conversation in our house atm about where it would be better to goto a premier league team and be a squad player ..to have to fight to get playing time and hope for an opportunity and take advantage of it..or goto a top 3/4 Championship team looking to get promoted and be the main man(or one of them... And yes there are both options atm... Another part to that question that I'm sure you're also debating is the contract terms (i.e. $) being offered. I would assume that the Premiership teams are offering something more substantial... ...and that would be very hard to walk away from too (at least in our house 😉). Canuckia and Obinna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 7 hours ago, Obinna said: Roma could be a place where he can afford to be brought on slowly and eventually grow into a starting role, maybe in season 2. I do think he would benefit from more games, so I wouldn't mind seeing another full championship season with Watford first, then move to Roma. But that said, if you are Kone I think you have to move if Roma wants you. Kind of like Buchanan with Inter. I kind of like the idea of Roma buying him and loaning him back to Watford, or even to Udinese, but the key to any loan is that he plays. If Roma buy him and keep him bring him on slowly though, I think I am relatively comfortable with that. Another important detail is the development side. I think he could have developed more had he been on a stable team with a stable manager. Watford has been all over the place since Kone got there, I don't think it's helping him. GasPed, Obinna, An Observer and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhoops__ Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 He played over 2,500 mins this year. The fact that he has had so many different experiences these past 2 seasons might not be a bad thing. Thrown to the wolves so to speak. narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Hearing Kone might go to Serie A and or that he could be going to Roma...if he does, then that's huge for Canada Soccer...yet another one of our players playing in a top flight league especially one as great as Serie A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe MacCarthy Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 jhoops__ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadasoccer20 Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Possible career altering performance. He just dominated Camavinga who was just starting for the champions league champions.. he continues to perform like this at the copa this man will be making the big move sooner then expected. MauditYvon, Approve My Account Pls, narduch and 20 others 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 19 minutes ago, canadasoccer20 said: Possible career altering performance. He just dominated Camavinga who was just starting for the champions league champions.. he continues to perform like this at the copa this man will be making the big move sooner then expected. Very talented and physically able to go with the best in the world, as we saw. Watford fans' (and my - to be honest) knock would be him showing up in every role he was asked to play, every game. Easy to get motivated for France - especially for him - but if Marsch can keep him going, massive for us. GasPed and dyslexic nam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acid-Tone Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 To be in the shop window and deliver a performance like he did today is amazing!! An Observer, Corazon, lowlander and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 28 minutes ago, Acid-Tone said: To be in the shop window and deliver a performance like he did today is amazing!! Watford looking to cash in GasPed, narduch, johnyb and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 1 hour ago, canadasoccer20 said: Possible career altering performance. He just dominated Camavinga who was just starting for the champions league champions.. he continues to perform like this at the copa this man will be making the big move sooner then expected. Big time performance today. canadasoccer20 and Ivan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 57 minutes ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said: Watford looking to cash in Yeah they want to cash in but Kone needs to leave Watford. Sooner the better and at Roma, he would be playing for a top team not just in the world but in Serie A CanadaFan123, longlugan and costarg 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic94 Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 2 hours ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said: Very talented and physically able to go with the best in the world, as we saw. Watford fans' (and my - to be honest) knock would be him showing up in every role he was asked to play, every game. Easy to get motivated for France - especially for him - but if Marsch can keep him going, massive for us. 4 managers certainly does not help him. Cheeta, narduch, canadasoccer20 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king1010 Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 1 hour ago, TGAA_Star said: Yeah they want to cash in but Kone needs to leave Watford. Sooner the better and at Roma, he would be playing for a top team not just in the world but in Serie A Think you got that backwards CanadaFan123 and TGAA_Star 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorty Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 You’re going to get us killed, or even worse — expelled! jhoops__ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 His ability to turn with the ball when he is facing his own goal and with pressure on his back is incredible. He can beat the press and progress the ball very well. He has all the tools to hit the jackpot. He just needs stability with the manager and players around him. Think he will thrive in a higher league/team if he gets that continuity. lowlander, El Diego, costarg and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 4 hours ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said: Watford fans' (and my - to be honest) knock would be him showing up in every role he was asked to play, every game. He's young, Watford's a mess and changing coaches a lot. He'd benefit from stability. Watford is not helping him. The Real Marc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 (edited) 3 hours ago, costarg said: He's young, Watford's a mess and changing coaches a lot. He'd benefit from stability. Watford is not helping him. I agree, never wanted him there, at least a couple managers I have really liked have gone through the grist mill that's there (must pay decent). At the end of the day, some is on him to grow and be more consistent as well. I say from watching him some. To be as physically dominant as we saw today, "on a cold night in Stoke." Almost literally. Edited June 10 by WestHamCanadianinOxford sebdeserio, jhoops__ and Kusch to the Corner 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 For me he was very good but still has some major improvements to make. He doesn't have his pass in his head when he gets the ball. He does not fully combine passing with those around him, he isolates himself. He sems to be more reactive than proactive. He has great runs into space but doesn't release when its time. His role isn't that clearly defined either but that's on his coaches: DM, CM, AM? He clearly needs a step up in team and coaching, and maybe playing beside quality mids, to fix a few things to raise his game. He can't be "good for his age" for much longer. The Real Marc, Kusch to the Corner, WestHamCanadianinOxford and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Want him to move this summer if for no other reason than wanting to see him somewhere other than Watford. Think he’s strung too many good performances for Canada along wishy washy showings for Watford that I think he could benefit from a better environment. I do feel like agents and scouts watch a game like this, and the way he completely manhandled Camavinga (who is shockingly 6 months younger than Kone) has got to have put him on the radar for a lot of clubs. Played like he could slot into Madrid’s XI tomorrow. narduch, Corazon, Fresh Prince of MTL and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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