Macksam Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said: So if the interest is real, the best he can do is try to make his way into the TFC line-up, get some minutes, mature as much as he can, and take a solid transfer to a strong European u-18 academy at the end of the season. He can do a lot better than that. Xavier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SthMelbRed Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 48 minutes ago, VinceA said: Of all the places linked to I would love Hoffenheim the most. At least there he'd have the best chance of playing. I believe Hoffenheim has a decent record over the last decade of bringing players through, either academy grads or signed at a young age, and moving them on to much bigger and better things. Northvansteve 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frmr Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 So is that to say that Liverpool definitely did not offer him a contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic94 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 10 hours ago, frmr said: So is that to say that Liverpool definitely did not offer him a contract? They have according to Harvey Elliot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floortom Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Dominic94 said: They have according to Harvey Elliot. you're making way too much of a random instagram comment. Unnamed Trialist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic94 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 12 minutes ago, Floortom said: you're making way too much of a random instagram comment. Harvey Elliot telling him to sign the ting is random ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floortom Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dominic94 said: Harvey Elliot telling him to sign the ting is random ? Yes - it could be an inside joke, it could be an expression of hope that he will someday join Liverpool, it could be a lot of things. Assuming this means that there is a formal contract offer on the table and that Elliot took to Instagram to tell JMR to sign it is a real stretch Unnamed Trialist and Kent 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic94 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 19 minutes ago, Floortom said: Yes - it could be an inside joke, it could be an expression of hope that he will someday join Liverpool, it could be a lot of things. Assuming this means that there is a formal contract offer on the table and that Elliot took to Instagram to tell JMR to sign it is a real stretch Don’t we read into these things all the time… narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 29 minutes ago, Dominic94 said: Don’t we read into these things all the time… Yes, we do and then it snowballs into bigger and bigger stories and then the next thing you know the story becomes "TFC rejects a six-figure bid from Wolfsburg for player X".... Best just to wait for official information. Ruffian, HochelagaFC, RS and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frmr Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Well, in terms of the real world, can Liverpool even offer him a contract yet or do they need to wait until he's 18 to even offer him a contract? Or can he sign a contract now and he just has to wait until he turns 18 to move? If they do need to wait to even make an offer, then it makes sense that he would continue to consider options in the mean time. If they are able to make an offer but there are still reports coming in from other clubs, then it's possible an offer wasn't made. Another possibility is that a Liverpool offer is on the table, but he's using the next six months to consider it, while keeping his options open and fielding other offers. So basically I've deduced nothing from this post. johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic94 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 45 minutes ago, El Hombre said: Yes, we do and then it snowballs into bigger and bigger stories and then the next thing you know the story becomes "TFC rejects a six-figure bid from Wolfsburg for player X".... Best just to wait for official information. Wasn’t that confirmed info though ? Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 37 minutes ago, Dominic94 said: Wasn’t that confirmed info though ? I think the Okello-Wolfsburg connection was a lot more nebulous/speculative than the legend that it has grown into on here. Obinna and Ruffian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, El Hombre said: I think the Okello-Wolfsburg connection was a lot more nebulous/speculative than the legend that it has grown into on here. There was either a confirmed deal on the table for him from Wolfsburg or not, that much of it is concrete. Where the legend comes into play on here is the emphasis we placed on this afterwards. Specifically, we all bitched and moaned for years that he could have definitely been progressing in the Wolfsburg system, instead of wasting away at Toronto. In actuality, nobody knows how things would have turned out, but that never stopped us from narrating how that move would have been positive for his development. It became part of the larger "Toronto can't develop players" narrative, which of course is not entirely undeserved. Free kick and One American 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkOffPunch Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Obinna said: In actuality, nobody knows how things would have turned out, but that never stopped us from narrating how that move would have been positive for his development. It became part of the larger "Toronto can't develop players" narrative, which of course is not entirely undeserved. Wolfsburg dissolved their 2nd team at the end of last year. I don’t think anybody would want their talented youngsters going there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 32 minutes ago, DrunkOffPunch said: Wolfsburg dissolved their 2nd team at the end of last year. I don’t think anybody would want their talented youngsters going there. I think the expectation was that Okello would have long moved on from the 2nd team before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkOffPunch Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 22 minutes ago, Obinna said: I think the expectation was that Okello would have long moved on from the 2nd team before that. Maybe. Even then dissolving your second team shows they don’t have a real interest in developing talent. If a young guy needs match fitness and isn’t at the level where he can get that with the 1st team but doesn’t qualify for the youth teams it becomes problematic. Also hiring Florian Kohfeldt shows they don’t have a real interest in winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 38 minutes ago, DrunkOffPunch said: Maybe. Even then dissolving your second team shows they don’t have a real interest in developing talent. If a young guy needs match fitness and isn’t at the level where he can get that with the 1st team but doesn’t qualify for the youth teams it becomes problematic. Also hiring Florian Kohfeldt shows they don’t have a real interest in winning. All I know is that back in 2018 the board collectively viewed Okello to Wolfsburg as a missed opportunity. That continues to be the popular opinion here as far as I can tell. I am not sure dissolving their 2nd team in 2021 is relevant to what I was saying. Nobody could have predicted they'd dissolve their second team back in 2018. Regardless, I feel like we may be talking past each other, plus none of this has to do with Rutty, so I will digress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 https://www.soctakes.com/2018/04/06/okello-attracting-attention-bundesliga/ GasPed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 I think TFC put emphasis on it themselves with Okello. When the rumor got out that they had turned down several transfer offers for him, naturally everyone thought it was because he was important to their plans and they valued him as a prospect. Or else why not move him on for a payday? And since then they have brought him along slowly, which could be for all sorts of reasons, many squarely on Okellos shoulders but it definately seems like something went wrong there. Rutty sure seems to have much more solid interest from europe. My hope is that he continues to get the kind of mins he did at the end of last season. Then he can live up to the hype and either become a regular with TFC (nothing to sneeze at) or get the club a nice transfer and test out europe. The kid should be highly motivated after rubbing shoulders with the Liverpool stars. Obinna and narduch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckgbp Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) Not sure I like the sound of this for JMR. (If Wheeler is correct that this is the plan. Maybe he is just speculating) Edited February 8, 2022 by canuckgbp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 21 minutes ago, canuckgbp said: Not sure I like the sound of this for JMR. (If Wheeler is correct that this is the plan. Maybe he is just speculating) FB....I'll be pissed. WB...I can see, and actually prefer. With the defensive additions I can see TFC playing a 352. Corazon, Xavier. and canuckgbp 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 18 minutes ago, Shway said: FB....I'll be pissed. WB...I can see, and actually prefer. With the defensive additions I can see TFC playing a 352. Yeah, if they're playing a 3-5-2 WB might be the only viable spots for both of them so can't be upset. Corazon, canuckgbp and Xavier. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic94 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 2 hours ago, canuckgbp said: Not sure I like the sound of this for JMR. I don’t like it, but our WBs are good offensively and defensively, it’s part of our identity. It’s not a bad thing if Rutty and Shaffleburg can defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frattinator Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 4 hours ago, canuckgbp said: Not sure I like the sound of this for JMR. (If Wheeler is correct that this is the plan. Maybe he is just speculating) Given there will be no natural outside backs on TFC outside of Petrasso it's not hard to understand why they are doing this. Hopefully this just means they are going with a 352 and keep them as WBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 I watch him on YouTube and I can't help but be impressed by this kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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