Jonathan David

[costarg]

1 hour ago, VinceA said:

Bringing this to Copa talk, I'm slowly losing patience with David. I don't think he's ever been able to score a goal for us against a top team and when we've needed him the most, he just doesn't perform.

I really hope he can break that issue this tournament but it's becoming a habit to expect him to do nothing but "work hard" when Canada faces any team of quality.

Dead horse and all, but there is always that penalty he should've taken at the WC (could also have been Vitoria). That could have changed things dramatically.  Possibly the most important goal in our history.

[TGAA_Star]

8 minutes ago, costarg said:

Dead horse and all, but there is always that penalty he should've taken at the WC (could also have been Vitoria). That could have changed things dramatically.  Possibly the most important goal in our history.

Against Belgium I would have had David or even Eustaquio take the penalty or even have Atiba do it

[Unnamed Trialist]

53 minutes ago, jhoops__ said:

“Woke  Football” what the hell does this have  to do with xG?

Think it has to do with the very PC idea of distinguishing a ball from a boot.

Most of what I've seen in this swing-to-the-right Euros are whole teams incapable of creating what the liberals keep pushing down our throats, namely a "play".

[Unnamed Trialist]

52 minutes ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said:

When you don't like a player (or team or league or nation) your logic gets really warpy.

Top talent? - 2 World class or near.   Strand Larsen - made a good start in La Liga not top talent yet.  Borg - lots of talent done nothing real yet.  Ryerson - solid fullback in Bundesliga.   Berg - average midfielder on team you got upset at Koleosho for going to. Ajer - starts most of the time in the Premier League but not a top CB.   Any others?

Better than ours? - Maybe but what kind of measuring stick is that for a European team?  Their bar for qualifying is much higher.

"Distinguished failure"  - 31 goals in 33 games.  Probably safe to say he's done his part.  As opposed to Shaquiri for the Swiss 32 in 124. Ha!

Comparing him to Shaquiri - Their level of play 58 months out of every 60 (ie. not during major tournaments) deserves that comparison?  That's the most knee-jerk thing ever.  Ie. Champions League winner scoring 41 in 39 games there vs a MLS player scoring 14 in 69 there. 

 

Sorry for interrupting your passionate Denmark watch, but...

You forgot Odegaard and Sorloth, how convenient . Norwegian depth in all lines is superior to ours. But they're totally ineffective as a group. 

Has Haaland ever led his Norway team, where he must be an absolute leader, to minimal international success? Never. His inability to make critical goals in critical moments for Norway is notorious. I'm sure they need another manager because that's a huge fail for their entire technical team. He's a failure and I think if you'd ask him, and the rest of Norwegian stars, they'd agree it's embarrassing. It's not like George Weah with Liberia.

Funny you use knee jerk when that's your defense of a team that I'd never want to be a model for Canada, as they stand. 24 teams in Euros and maybe a third have the striking potential of Norway. 

(If you'd paid attention I'm fond of Norway football, am into them, even been twice this year, most recently last weekend).

Edited June 20 by Unnamed Trialist

[Obinna]

32 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Think it has to do with the very PC idea of distinguishing a ball from a boot.

Most of what I've seen in this swing-to-the-right Euros are whole teams incapable of creating what the liberals keep pushing down our throats, namely a "play".

Sorry, I still don't follow.

If one wanted to inject a woke narrative into soccer, just look no further than the rainbow USMNT kits, or the tiresome "P-word" chants from Mexico fans. Wokeness is all about feelings and protecting them, no?

Sorry if that's too real.

If you wanted to just joke, and keep it light hearted, just say those teams incapable of making a "play" are just sparing the feelings of the opponent, or something.

Sportsmanship to the woke-extreme: purposely NOT trying to create chances, so the other team doesn't feel bad and insecure about their shoddy defending.

Something like that...

 

[WestHamCanadianinOxford]

49 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

You forgot Odegaard and Sorloth, how convenient

Gotta read, mate.

First thing I said when listing teammates "2 World class or near"

 I assume you would 1) read 2) make the basic logical connect - my mistake 

49 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Has Haaland ever led his Norway team, where he must be an absolute leader, to minimal international success? 

He's a 23 year old striker.  If you are going to put all of that on one person why not the older actual captain, who plays in the centre of the park and captains a Premier League side.  

49 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

 But they're totally ineffective as a group. 

I'm sure they need another manager because that's a huge fail for their entire technical team.

You realise you are arguing against Haaland being the problem, right?  He's not the coach, he's not captain, his job is to score goals which he does.

49 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Funny you use knee jerk when that's your defense of a team that I'd never want to be a model for Canada, as they stand.

You are straw-manning hard here.  No one said they were to be a model for Canada.  Bravo adding text with no relevence. 

 

Why didn't Norway qualify for these Euros from a group where three teams did?  Simple answer too many goals against.

The only games where they fail to score were their 2 against Spain.  They only time they kept a clean sheet was 1 game against Cyprus.  Letting in 3 against Scotland, letting Georgia score in both games, these are the reasons...

...not the player who scored 6 goals in 5 games played. Please.

 

Honestly, the stuff you come out with when you biases flare up is really silly. 

 

Edit: (You abandoned the silly Shaqiri thing right away but you try George Weah - whose team never made the World Cup and who scored less than 1 in 3 for his country. Some great football knowledge there.)

Edited June 20 by WestHamCanadianinOxford

[RS]

2 hours ago, InglewoodJack said:

the era of woke football

[InglewoodJack]

1 hour ago, jhoops__ said:

“Woke  Football” what the hell does this have  to do with xG?

It’s an ongoing joke about how the new ultra refined version of football that focuses on these ultra analytic-driven strategies that trade higher winning chances for exciting, fluid football “the way god intended”- so what Pep/Arteta etc., is woke ball. These ongoing euros have had these underdog teams play with these creative wingers, these strikers that look like they drank a 6 pack at the half (guy from Hungary) and score these dirty bulldozer goals in the same way the game was played in the past. It’s not using woke as a pejorative so much as it’s making fun of the people who blame wokeness for every thing they hate. Oh they changed the logo for this classic brand? Must’ve been due to the woke agenda, etc.

 

Same joke is made about how pitchers in baseball only go 4 innings now or how basketball teams play these really boring lineups with 5 specialists instead of having 4 guys who can smash the glass and one lanky guy who just shoots 3s. It’s a very common joke on social media, surprised so many people haven’t seen it.

 

As for what I’m saying, I think David should take more shots from trickier angles because he’s a very good striker, even if the analytics dashboard probably says he should only shoot high xG shots or whatever. 

[InglewoodJack]

16 minutes ago, Obinna said:

Sorry, I still don't follow.

If one wanted to inject a woke narrative into soccer, just look no further than the rainbow USMNT kits, or the tiresome "P-word" chants from Mexico fans. Wokeness is all about feelings and protecting them, no?

Sorry if that's too real.

If you wanted to just joke, and keep it light hearted, just say those teams incapable of making a "play" are just sparing the feelings of the opponent, or something.

Sportsmanship to the woke-extreme: purposely NOT trying to create chances, so the other team doesn't feel bad and insecure about their shoddy defending.

Something like that...

 

It makes fun of people who whine about wokeness more than anything being “woke” whatever that means. Good use of the joke would be saying CANMNT made Borjan stop smoking packs at half time, due to wokeness. Richie Laryea only gets carded for hard nose soccer plays due to wokeness, his opponents aren’t playing the beautiful game, they can’t handle a tackle. Things of that nature. 

[costarg]

6 minutes ago, InglewoodJack said:

As for what I’m saying, I think David should take more shots from trickier angles because he’s a very good striker, even if the analytics dashboard probably says he should only shoot high xG shots or whatever. 

See Denmark for reference.

6 minutes ago, InglewoodJack said:

It’s a very common joke on social media, surprised so many people haven’t seen it.

I guess you just hang out in these woke circles more than some of us!  Hahah

[Obinna]

1 minute ago, InglewoodJack said:

It’s an ongoing joke about how the new ultra refined version of football that focuses on these ultra analytic-driven strategies that trade higher winning chances for exciting, fluid football “the way god intended”- so what Pep/Arteta etc., is woke ball. These ongoing euros have had these underdog teams play with these creative wingers, these strikers that look like they drank a 6 pack at the half (guy from Hungary) and score these dirty bulldozer goals in the same way the game was played in the past. It’s not using woke as a pejorative so much as it’s making fun of the people who blame wokeness for every thing they hate. Oh they changed the logo for this classic brand? Must’ve been due to the woke agenda, etc.

 

Same joke is made about how pitchers in baseball only go 4 innings now or how basketball teams play these really boring lineups with 5 specialists instead of having 4 guys who can smash the glass and one lanky guy who just shoots 3s. It’s a very common joke on social media, surprised so many people haven’t seen it.

 

As for what I’m saying, I think David should take more shots from trickier angles because he’s a very good striker, even if the analytics dashboard probably says he should only shoot high xG shots or whatever. 

Sounds like your ongoing joke was cultivated in a woke environment, which is probably why it doesn't make any sense.

No offense of course, but it's just completely detached from what "wokeness" is, which is no surprise given it rose out of social media, a sphere where everything is sensored (unless you are on twitter/X).

People who live in this realm are the last people I would trust to accurately depict wokeness. 

[WestHamCanadianinOxford]

2 minutes ago, Obinna said:

Sounds like your ongoing joke was cultivated in a woke environment, which is probably why it doesn't make any sense.

No offense of course, but it's just completely detached from what "wokeness" is, which is no surprise given it rose out of social media, a sphere where everything is sensored (unless you are on twitter/X).

People who live in this realm are the last people I would trust to accurately depict wokeness. 

Is it woke or unwoke to say I dislike Gareth Southgate a lot?

 

Edited June 20 by WestHamCanadianinOxford

[narduch]

3 minutes ago, Obinna said:

Sounds like your ongoing joke was cultivated in a woke environment, which is probably why it doesn't make any sense.

No offense of course, but it's just completely detached from what "wokeness" is, which is no surprise given it rose out of social media, a sphere where everything is sensored (unless you are on twitter/X).

People who live in this realm are the last people I would trust to accurately depict wokeness. 

I find that people who use woke as a derogatory term tend to be fucking idiots 

[Obinna]

25 minutes ago, InglewoodJack said:

It makes fun of people who whine about wokeness more than anything being “woke” whatever that means. Good use of the joke would be saying CANMNT made Borjan stop smoking packs at half time, due to wokeness. Richie Laryea only gets carded for hard nose soccer plays due to wokeness, his opponents aren’t playing the beautiful game, they can’t handle a tackle. Things of that nature. 

Ugh, I don't really want to get dragged too far into this, on game day, in the Jonathan David thread, but again the jokes make no sense. I understand the examples, but they have nothing to do with wokeness. 

Again, it's predicatable, if not comical, that people on social media (reddit for instance), would conjure and twist those examples up into "woke jokes". Talk about a failure to understand what wokeness is!

You don't have a tone-def person judge a singing contest, if you're picking up what I am thrown down here.

Cheers!

Edit - So the idea is to make fun of people who whine about wokeness, by making jokes which pretend everything is woke, like Bojan smoking like a chimny or Laryea committing hard fouls. And by making jokes which pretend everything is woke, the insinuation is that "nothing" is woke - so basically the "jokes" serve as a rejection and dismissal of wokeness complaints, which to me comes off as some form of coping mechinism. But you do you if you're into it!

Edited June 20 by Obinna

[narduch]

3 minutes ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said:

Is it woke or unwoke to say I dislike Gareth Southgate a lot?

 

Is it woke to enjoy watching England fail?

[WestHamCanadianinOxford]

Just now, narduch said:

Is it woke to enjoy watching England fail?

Honestly, yes. 

[Obinna]

3 minutes ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said:

Is it woke or unwoke to say I dislike Gareth Southgate a lot?

 

Hmm...you've stumped me mate!

 

2 minutes ago, narduch said:

I find that people who use woke as a derogatory term tend to be fucking idiots 

Yeah that's the disconnect here. The people who use "woke" as a derogatory term (as it's intended to be used) would never make jokes of that nature and call them "woke jokes".

And yes, many people who whine about wokeness can be idoits, no denying that. 

Seems there are people on the interwebs have tried to take back the "woke" term and fashion it into jokes which entertain them. Have at it lads!

[Joe MacCarthy]

[Canuckia]

4 hours ago, narduch said:

Can they decide by June 30 so I can decide if I want to re-commit to Fubo?

Liam Millar might be in the Prem too!.

[Obinna]

Just now, Canuckia said:

Liam Millar might be in the Prem too!.

Millar and David, but potentially LDF as well if he gets minutes!

[InglewoodJack]

6 minutes ago, Obinna said:

Yeah that's the disconnect here. The people who use "woke" as a derogatory term (as it's intended to be used) would never make jokes of that nature and call them "woke jokes".

The joke format is specifically to make fun of people who blame this nebulous concept of “wokeness” on everything, because blaming anything on wokeness- a concept that means a million different things to a million different things- is completely silly. Don’t know what that style of joke is, but it is a common one. 

Anyways, didn’t expect to write this much about a silly twitter joke- not meant to be super serious, just think David should get a little more creative with his shot selection and try and make more magic happen from more irresponsible areas of the pitch. 

 

23 minutes ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said:

Is it woke or unwoke to say I dislike Gareth Southgate a lot?

 

Jude ball is extremely woke. The children yearn for Kane firing stupid shots from anywhere. They yearn for a striker with the physical characteristics of (current day) Wayne Rooney. Look at what they have done to the beautiful game. 

[Obinna]

1 minute ago, InglewoodJack said:

The joke format is specifically to make fun of people who blame this nebulous concept of “wokeness” on everything, because blaming anything on wokeness- a concept that means a million different things to a million different things- is completely silly. Don’t know what that style of joke is, but it is a common one. 

Anyways, didn’t expect to write this much about a silly twitter joke- not meant to be super serious, just think David should get a little more creative with his shot selection and try and make more magic happen from more irresponsible areas of the pitch. 

 

Jude ball is extremely woke. The children yearn for Kane firing stupid shots from anywhere. They yearn for a striker with the physical characteristics of (current day) Wayne Rooney. Look at what they have done to the beautiful game. 

Yeah I got it now, go check out my edit. The last thing I will say on it is that it's not nebulous at all, and only someone who doesn't understand it would think it's nebulous, clearly. That's what I have been trying to point out here, but I digress...

On David....I think he's fine. I don't think he needs to do anything different with his game. He just needs to find the net and it'll happen. Dropping bombs from irresponsible areas of the pitch isn't his game. No need for him to be something he's not. He's going to find the net and hit a groove sooner than later. We know his goals can come in bunches. 

[Unnamed Trialist]

46 minutes ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said:

Gotta read, mate.

First thing I said when listing teammates "2 World class or near"

 I assume you would 1) read 2) make the basic logical connect - my mistake 

He's a 23 year old striker.  If you are going to put all of that on one person why not the older actual captain, who plays in the centre of the park and captains a Premier League side.  

You realise you are arguing against Haaland being the problem, right?  He's not the coach, he's not captain, his job is to score goals which he does.

You are straw-manning hard here.  No one said they were to be a model for Canada.  Bravo adding text with no relevence. 

 

Why didn't Norway qualify for these Euros from a group where three teams did?  Simple answer too many goals against.

The only games where they fail to score were their 2 against Spain.  They only time they kept a clean sheet was 1 game against Cyprus.  Letting in 3 against Scotland, letting Georgia score in both games, these are the reasons...

...not the player who scored 6 goals in 5 games played. Please.

 

Honestly, the stuff you come out with when you biases flare up is really silly. 

 

Edit: (You abandoned the silly Shaqiri thing right away but you try George Weah - whose team never made the World Cup and who scored less than 1 in 3 for his country. Some great football knowledge there.)

Nice try detailing the topic.

And a reading lesson: it's a Jonathan David thread. Sorloth had 23 goals and six assists in la Liga this year,  his strike rate matches or beats David in a much superior league. Just because your parochial view of football doesn't fathom him, or Odegaard, for reason of petty rivalries, doesn't mean they aren't  relevant.

But the whole point is that even with two strikers both better than ours, both able to score for their country, Norway is is not an ideal national team to compare ourselves with. We want David to be more effective for Canada, against big teams in critical matches, than they are for Norway. 

Enjoyed England being stymied in a packed pub in South Kensington (and doubly by the Danish women there), now on the way home.

[Kadenge]

@Canuckia I think it's time for one of your dear diary entries. This thread is going off the rails.

[RS]

32 minutes ago, narduch said:

I find that people who use woke as a derogatory term tend to be fucking idiots 

You and I may disagree on some things from time to time but you're absolutely correct here.