frmr Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 13 minutes ago, scullion44 said: Big John fan but he’s a passion merchant and that wears off quick when you’re with the same group every single day for months on end. This will be a disaster. Yeah, will be interesting to see if he can manage the day-to-day responsibilities of club football instead of having months in between sessions to meticulously plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaneC06 Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 I'm not saying it's the end of the world, but it feels like something major has just happened. The board has gone from striking gold to Herdman to trading it for Dogecoin. I can't wait to hear what the players have to say and what the board has to say... I 99 per cent blame the board, but l'll say this though as things progress... Could the players maybe be sick of him and not getting the message anymore? They did what they had to do. Did the Croatia messaging and game fracture them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastPros Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 "Also departing Canada Soccer will be Assistant Coaches Simon Eaddy and Eric Tenllado, Lead Scout, Alex Dodgshon, and Head of Performance, Dr. Cesar Meylan." Olympique_de_Marseille, jhoops__ and Obinna 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 1 minute ago, PastPros said: "Also departing Canada Soccer will be Assistant Coaches Simon Eaddy and Eric Tenllado, Lead Scout, Alex Dodgshon, and Head of Performance, Dr. Cesar Meylan." All going TFC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad_Impact Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 Best decision for both parties. He lost the room and wasn't what we needed going forward. The question is who's next and who'd actually want to coach this team with all the turmoil costarg, Buchta, jhoops__ and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceA Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 I get the feeling things are even worse with the CSA than we've seen. The fact John was straight up calling them out for their "I'm poor" schtick should have been the writing on the wall. He's fed up with their way of conducting business, and was done with putting up with it for over a decade. I can see how wanted to amp things up for the sport in this country with the men (he said as such when he took the job) and then to actually deliver and get us to a World Cup and then be met with "actually we can't do anything because of the deals we signed and our poor leadership choices" I can't blame the guy. We made a Men's WC for the first time in decades and we seem worse off. Kusch to the Corner, Obinna, Mattd97 and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpg_29 Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, scullion44 said: Big John fan but he’s a passion merchant and that wears off quick when you’re with the same group every single day for months on end. This will be a disaster. Also wonder how well selling passion to players with large ego's/non-Canadian background will work. Like with that work with Insigne, Bernardeschi? I guess it's possible that he now has license to build the team he sees fit and those type players won't even be considered. Edited August 28, 2023 by mpg_29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawafan Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 He will always have a major place in the folklore of the Canadian soccer scene. I hope in the end there isn't any bad blood between all parties. NVsoccer, costarg, Mango and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 (edited) No worries guys! CSA has been calling me all morning, I'll call them back and accept the job later this afternoon. Just making them sweat a little. I figure it'll get me another $250k/year. Edited August 28, 2023 by costarg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_M Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 Also departing Canada Soccer will be Assistant Coaches Simon Eaddy and Eric Tenllado, Lead Scout, Alex Dodgshon, and Head of Performance, Dr. Cesar Meylan. Canada Soccer also announced today that Mauro Biello has been appointed to serve as interim Head Coach. Biello has served as an Assistant Coach with the Men’s National Team since March 2018. Herdman will work with Biello through the month of September to ensure a seamless transition. The search for the new Men’s National Team Head Coach will begin immediately. Ruffian, costarg, dyslexic nam and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi44 Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 I was probably one of the biggest Herdman detractors when he got "hired". But I will happily eat crow. Herdman did a fantastic job in WCQ, and deserved all the praise he got leading Canada to the World Cup for the first time in decades. However, from the finals onward Canada have not looked great. I am not sure what it is exactly, but I think a change makes a lot of sense for both sides. Assuming Soccer Canada can find a good replacement of course... So, from a firm "anti-Herdmanist", thank you John for your historic work with the CMNT and good luck in the future. for Soccer Canada: please please please do due diligence and find a good replacement! Our golden generation is coming into its prime, and getting OUT of the group stage at the 2026 World Cup should be the EXPECTATION! Club Linesman, YorkRegionFan, Acid-Tone and 18 others 19 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 25 minutes ago, scullion44 said: Big John fan but he’s a passion merchant and that wears off quick when you’re with the same group every single day for months on end. This will be a disaster. Maybe. Might be exactly what the teams needs to start the turnaround. Emphasis on "start". He's going to get lots of runway so he'll get the chance to build a team around his visions. We're going to see how that all works out aren't we? Wonder who he's bringing with him. An Observer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryker911 Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, PastPros said: "Also departing Canada Soccer will be Assistant Coaches Simon Eaddy and Eric Tenllado, Lead Scout, Alex Dodgshon, and Head of Performance, Dr. Cesar Meylan." How does 1 apply for lead scout? Half the people that post here could do that job. PastPros, narduch, Acid-Tone and 5 others 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Stryker911 said: How does 1 apply for lead scout? Half the people that post here could do that job. I'm currently in the 3rd round of interviews for this post. The last interview was literally "name some guys of ours who play in europe" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corazon Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 I would think that there are a number of reasons for this decision. 1) Herdman may have lost the players and hit his limits with the MNT over the past year. 2) He likely feels his is not being supported by CSA and is being given limited resources that will also hinder his success with the MNT. 3) This is a great transition for him into the club level. It may not work for him, but this is a great stepping stone for him. Even for as bad as TFC is, it feels like it can't get any worse. 4) Herdman's reputation earned over the past 5 years is still strong despite some hiccups this past year. 5) Likely a pay raise. As a Toronto FC fan, I'm excited for this hiring. Although his tactics do seem to have limitations, I feel like MLSE is going to give him all the tools to succeed. As a CMNT, I am nervous. I do feel that it may have been time for a new coach. However, I am nervous about the quality of coach we can hire given our current state, both financially & off-field issues. Hopefully we can recruit a coach like Christiansen or Callaghan. Ruffian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadeau Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 14 minutes ago, VinceA said: I can't blame the guy. We made a Men's WC for the first time in decades and we seem worse off. Its so true, its sad really. TOcanadafan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Marc Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 I bet both are happy to be rid of each other. Despite being warranted, I can see the CSA bristling at his criticism after getting leveraged for a new contract with the New Zealand fiasco so soon after the World Cup. And that the fact that he's jumping ship to TFC says that despite his record, his profile remains niche and he doesn't have many suitors. His stock can only go down with the Canada MNT, in my opinion. He needs to go now or accept being long-term MNT manager. Cheeta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhoops__ Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 Meh, we’ve got the most talent available in our history and hopefully the Copa next year and the WC at home coming. It’s a good job even with the shambles of the association. This could be a good turning point imo. NVsoccer, costarg, MtlMario and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpg_29 Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, Cadeau said: Its so true, its sad really. It's not really true...CSA may not be in great spot but the player pool is the best it's ever been by far imo. costarg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 22 minutes ago, Bertuzzi44 said: I was probably one of the biggest Herdman detractors when he got "hired". But I will happily eat crow. Herdman did a fantastic job in WCQ, and deserved all the praise he got leading Canada to the World Cup for the first time in decades. However, from the finals onward Canada have not looked great. I am not sure what it is exactly, but I think a change makes a lot of sense for both sides. Assuming Soccer Canada can find a good replacement of course... So, from a firm "anti-Herdmanist", thank you John for your historic work with the CMNT and good luck in the future. for Soccer Canada: please please please do due diligence and find a good replacement! Our golden generation is coming into its prime, and getting OUT of the group stage at the 2026 World Cup should be the EXPECTATION! Not much point in me rephrasing what you wrote, so… All of what he said. Bertuzzi44, jhoops__ and The Real Marc 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoyleG Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 Getting the voodoo doll out.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwilly11 Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 Brotherhood out RichV and Obinna 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic94 Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 Best move for everyone, i was a detractor but thank you for everything John. costarg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueseeka Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 I think we are kidding ourselves, if we believe there will be any real budget for a decent coach. CSA skipped booking a game in the September window. There is no budget. The rumor had been Forge's coach, if he stepped down The Real Marc, bwilly11, Club Linesman and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trc2014 Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 A bit scared Herdman didnt bring Biello with him but brought everyone else. Makes me question what he thinks about his coaching. Good chance with the mess the CSA is now that interim becomes a permanent hire. HochelagaFC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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