Lansdude Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 He's conquered England and Europe, North America is a step down football wise but America is America and Klopp is a guy who, while not quite a Mourinho, likes the spotlight. The idea of taking an underperforming USA that's only going to get better into the World Cup they're hosting and moving his kids there, sending his kids to Stanford and rubbing elbows with various celebrities must be alluring. 74 Whitecap and Canuckia 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaub Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 Just now, Lansdude said: He's conquered England and Europe, North America is a step down football wise but America is America and Klopp is a guy who, while not quite a Mourinho, likes the spotlight. The idea of taking an underperforming USA that's only going to get better into the World Cup they're hosting and moving his kids there, sending his kids to Stanford and rubbing elbows with various celebrities must be alluring. Yeah this is honestly a perfect spot for him. Publicity will be fantastic and still generally zero pressure compared to Europe. Even if they flame out in '26 they'll blame the players before him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ensco Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 He teased interest by tweeting out on July 4 a "Happy Independence Day" message to the US, for seemingly no obvious reason.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 30 minutes ago, mpg_29 said: Does Klopp have any connection to the US? IIRC with Jurgen Klinsmann he was living in the US before he had the coaching job so there was at least some connection. I guess anything is possible though... Jay Goppingen an Orange County Blue Star legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 21 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said: He probably really likes US $$. I suspect that will be a big factor in their coming recruitment drive. And the different ways his brand can make money off the field in the centre of the media marketing universe. dyslexic nam and Canuckia 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOcanadafan Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 (edited) A few reasons why Klopp (and any other elite manager) wouldn't go... 1) The 'challenge' argument could apply to any situation... how often does a high profile manager take on a second or third division club to prove what a good manager they are? 2) The US over-hypes it's talent. Perhaps in 5-10 years they'll have more elite talent, but right now, and leading up to the World Cup which is only in 2 years, they are a mid team. 3) 'Home' World-Cup only raises the appeal of the job a slight bit. If anything, it might be a detractor to a European coach who would prefer more camps and the final tournament in their home continent. 4) The money the US Fed can offer wouldn't be more than a top Euro club could offer. 5) We over-estimate the allure of the US to Europeans. He has a new luxury home in Mallorca. A new grandchild (in Germany?). I got this info from an article, that also mentions how much time his wife spent in the design of this new home, and how influential she had been in past career decisions... I doubt she would be happy if they have to wait to move into her dream home. Edited July 11 by TOcanadafan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 Klopp could probably take any job in the world he wanted, maybe save for Manchester City, like, tomorrow. Coaching the states is a 2-4 year commitment and during that time, there’s plenty that could go wrong, especially for a coach with like 20 years of pure club football. By the next World Cup, nearly every single top manager in the world will be liable to lose their job at some point, so he can go wherever he wants. Unlike Messi coming to America as a branding exercise, I don’t know what more American notoriety would do for Klopp- he has nothing to sell. Renard would be a good pick for them too. Little bit of a rivalry narrative too- Renard rejected us, the states rejected Marsch. Adds a little extra edge to our games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpg_29 Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 Jurgen Klopp rebuffs approach to coach USMNT after Copa America exit: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5630946/2024/07/11/jurgen-klopp-usmnt-next-coach-rejected/ Canuckia, narduch, Obinna and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vasi Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 Things are changing. I'm constantly hearing CMNT discussion on the radio. Take a lisen to this. They talk to Forest and then discuss duel nats and Canucks Abroad. I honestly feel things will be different moving forward. https://www.sportsnet.ca/590/morning-show/canada-soccers-success-blue-jays-shortcomings/ Corazon, jhoops__, Canuckia and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 23 minutes ago, Vasi said: Things are changing. I'm constantly hearing CMNT discussion on the radio. Take a lisen to this. They talk to Forest and then discuss duel nats and Canucks Abroad. I honestly feel things will be different moving forward. https://www.sportsnet.ca/590/morning-show/canada-soccers-success-blue-jays-shortcomings/ Walked into London Drugs the other day and overheard two clerks in a stock room doing the long, standard ABC of calling it soccer vs. football discussion. I just paused and listened. A lot of people at different stages along the path of being fans. Canuckia, rkomar and Vasi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 My dad, a long time soccer hater, told me he really likes this Lauren guy who plays for Canada. It. Is. Changing. Canuckia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Diego Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 I've definitely heard a lot of people who never talk about soccer talk about Canada during the Copa run. I find a lot of the discussion being about the reffing, but this is probably selection bias happening because people know I ref and so they ask me about it. But their questions are super loaded and they want me to confirm that Canada is getting royally screwed which I can't confirm. I really don't like a lot of the vitriol aimed at the refs. Yes, it has been uneven in the Copa. But everyone, be it casuals or the die hards in my group chat, are constantly slagging the refs even before the match. They are very slow to praise refs for good decisions. Clare Rustad has been popping up on my twitter feed and frankly she seems unhinged when she talks about the reffing. Maybe I'm just sensitive because I read about Anders Frisk again yesterday. What a shame his story ended up being. For my money, he was even better than Pierluigi Collina. 74 Whitecap and PegCityCam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 3 hours ago, Vasi said: Things are changing. I'm constantly hearing CMNT discussion on the radio. Take a lisen to this. They talk to Forest and then discuss duel nats and Canucks Abroad. I honestly feel things will be different moving forward. https://www.sportsnet.ca/590/morning-show/canada-soccers-success-blue-jays-shortcomings/ Listened to that, couldn't believe it!! Vasi and Canuckia 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplebanana Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 4 hours ago, El Diego said: I've definitely heard a lot of people who never talk about soccer talk about Canada during the Copa run. I find a lot of the discussion being about the reffing, but this is probably selection bias happening because people know I ref and so they ask me about it. But their questions are super loaded and they want me to confirm that Canada is getting royally screwed which I can't confirm. I really don't like a lot of the vitriol aimed at the refs. Yes, it has been uneven in the Copa. But everyone, be it casuals or the die hards in my group chat, are constantly slagging the refs even before the match. They are very slow to praise refs for good decisions. Clare Rustad has been popping up on my twitter feed and frankly she seems unhinged when she talks about the reffing. Maybe I'm just sensitive because I read about Anders Frisk again yesterday. What a shame his story ended up being. For my money, he was even better than Pierluigi Collina. Agreed on this. The reffing wasn't great in Copa, but it's not the reason we lost to Argentina twice. I will say though, that Canada loves to be feel aggrieved about refs, especially if it seems like it's the Americans that screwed us. I think a major inflection point in canadian soccer was the 2012 CAN-USA olympic semi-final. If we lost that game boringly 2-0 instead of the controversy with the ref, I don't think we would be where we are now in terms of fan support. There is no team we (general Can audience, not us V's) want to beat more than the USA, and no team we hate losing to more than the USA. That's in every sport. sstackho 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) 4 hours ago, El Diego said: I've definitely heard a lot of people who never talk about soccer talk about Canada during the Copa run. I find a lot of the discussion being about the reffing, but this is probably selection bias happening because people know I ref and so they ask me about it. But their questions are super loaded and they want me to confirm that Canada is getting royally screwed which I can't confirm. I really don't like a lot of the vitriol aimed at the refs. Yes, it has been uneven in the Copa. But everyone, be it casuals or the die hards in my group chat, are constantly slagging the refs even before the match. They are very slow to praise refs for good decisions. Clare Rustad has been popping up on my twitter feed and frankly she seems unhinged when she talks about the reffing. Maybe I'm just sensitive because I read about Anders Frisk again yesterday. What a shame his story ended up being. For my money, he was even better than Pierluigi Collina. Honest question. Based on some similar experiences. We have huge biases about reffing but do we also not have years behind us of throwing up our hands a saying "That's CONCACAF." Or now "That's CONMEBOL" or "That's UEFA" or "That's Premier League refs" or "That's corrupt FIFA in general." Are we desensitise to it and others have new eyes or it is just being biased for you country? Edited July 13 by WestHamCanadianinOxford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P-O Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Just a thought. If we looked at growing our game & stop talking about investors/investing with fees. Let's say we open our CPL2 next year without any fee, but a 3000 seater stadium with the obligation to have a football stadium built within a few years. Can't gain promotion to the CPL without a dedicated football stadium. It shouldn't be about money. How many clubs would join the league? Canuckia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badname22 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 58 minutes ago, P-O said: Just a thought. If we looked at growing our game & stop talking about investors/investing with fees. Let's say we open our CPL2 next year without any fee, but a 3000 seater stadium with the obligation to have a football stadium built within a few years. Can't gain promotion to the CPL without a dedicated football stadium. It shouldn't be about money. How many clubs would join the league? I’d say probably 6-ish. A team from L1O, a team or two in PQ, one in the Atlantic, one in Saskatchewan, and mayyybe, another try at the Eddies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mihairokov Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 On 7/12/2024 at 8:57 PM, WestHamCanadianinOxford said: Honest question. Based on some similar experiences. We have huge biases about reffing but do we also not have years behind us of throwing up our hands a saying "That's CONCACAF." Or now "That's CONMEBOL" or "That's UEFA" or "That's Premier League refs" or "That's corrupt FIFA in general." Are we desensitise to it and others have new eyes or it is just being biased for you country? Everybody thinks they have the worst referees. It's the same as how every city thinks they have the worst drivers. Free kick, PastPros, Obinna and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermanator Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 hour ago, P-O said: Just a thought. If we looked at growing our game & stop talking about investors/investing with fees. Let's say we open our CPL2 next year without any fee, but a 3000 seater stadium with the obligation to have a football stadium built within a few years. Can't gain promotion to the CPL without a dedicated football stadium. It shouldn't be about money. How many clubs would join the league? Zero. Where are all these magical clubs willing to suddenly invest millions of dollars into running a club in a national league coming from? They don't exist. A Different Perspective, Admiral Murray and Obinna 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 hour ago, P-O said: Just a thought. If we looked at growing our game & stop talking about investors/investing with fees. Let's say we open our CPL2 next year without any fee, but a 3000 seater stadium with the obligation to have a football stadium built within a few years. Can't gain promotion to the CPL without a dedicated football stadium. It shouldn't be about money. How many clubs would join the league? Couldn’t you just do that with League1 as it currently stands? The promotion between that and the CPL would be similar to Italy’s Série C (regional) to Série B (national). I think both Netherlands and Belgium have specific infrastructure requirements for teams to be allowed to promote, so some teams could play for promotion, and others who don’t have the budget, could just stay where they are and benefit from an (ostensibly) higher quality second division. Canuckia and P-O 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 21 minutes ago, InglewoodJack said: Couldn’t you just do that with League1 as it currently stands? The promotion between that and the CPL would be similar to Italy’s Série C (regional) to Série B (national). I think both Netherlands and Belgium have specific infrastructure requirements for teams to be allowed to promote, so some teams could play for promotion, and others who don’t have the budget, could just stay where they are and benefit from an (ostensibly) higher quality second division. Netherlands is actually a closed system. There is no relegation from the 2nd tier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 59 minutes ago, Mihairokov said: Everybody thinks they have the worst referees. It's the same as how every city thinks they have the worst drivers. Fair point on the first. On the second though, if using a signal light is part of being a good driver, Alberta drivers are empirically the worst. (That said, they don't actively try to kill you as a pedestrian like some places I have been.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 5 minutes ago, narduch said: Netherlands is actually a closed system. There is no relegation from the 2nd tier Yes, but I think teams have to actually accommodate a certain stadium size/infrastructure quality to actually accept their promotion if eligible? Or that may be Belgium. But either way, I think those leagues have some second tier teams that have rejected promotion in the past for these reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mihairokov Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 CPL teams can hardly get their own stadiums built and we're expecting CPL2 teams to have soccer specific builds? Non-starter. mpg_29 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 46 minutes ago, narduch said: Netherlands is actually a closed system. There is no relegation from the 2nd tier Don't Belgium have the same thing, or are you mixing Belgium up with Netherlands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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