General Discussion on CMNT

[Gian-Luca]

Osorio is 0 for 3 in PK shootouts, while Borjan is 1 for 1 as a taker

[Kadenge]

27 minutes ago, TOcanadafan said:

After seeing Cyle Larin and Jonathan David miss penalties in the last while, I did a quick search as to how some of our regulars have done.  I got stats from transfermarkt.us for penalties taken during regular play  - I'm not sure the last time we've been involved in a shoot out to decide a knock-out game.

Name / Taken / Scored / Missed

David 10 / 7 / 3 (1 for 1 with Canada)

Hoilett 9 / 5 / 4 (3 for 4 with Canada)

Larin 5 / 2 / 3 (both successful ones were with Canada, all 3 misses with club)

Davies 2 / 2 / 0 (both Canada)

Vitoria 15 / 13 / 2  (was 9 for 9 in 2012/13)

Ugbo  6 / 6 / 0

Osorio 1 / 0 / 1

Cavallini 11 / 7 / 4 (1 for 2 for Canada)

Millar 2 / 2 / 0

Hutchinson 2 / 2 / 0 (1 for 1 for Canada)

As you see, not very spectacular overall.  The big positive news, however, is that as a National team we've scored 8 in a row (Davies, Hoilett, Larin, David) - Cavallini was the last to miss in the 2019 Gold Cup v Jamaica.

 

The success rate for Canada may have something to do with the quality of the opposing keepers in Concacaf.  Club stats may be more relevant for WC

[Jack1997]

1 hour ago, TOcanadafan said:

After seeing Cyle Larin and Jonathan David miss penalties in the last while, I did a quick search as to how some of our regulars have done.  I got stats from transfermarkt.us for penalties taken during regular play  - I'm not sure the last time we've been involved in a shoot out to decide a knock-out game.

Name / Taken / Scored / Missed

David 10 / 7 / 3 (1 for 1 with Canada)

Hoilett 9 / 5 / 4 (3 for 4 with Canada)

Larin 5 / 2 / 3 (both successful ones were with Canada, all 3 misses with club)

Davies 2 / 2 / 0 (both Canada)

Vitoria 15 / 13 / 2  (was 9 for 9 in 2012/13)

Ugbo  6 / 6 / 0

Osorio 1 / 0 / 1

Cavallini 11 / 7 / 4 (1 for 2 for Canada)

Millar 2 / 2 / 0

Hutchinson 2 / 2 / 0 (1 for 1 for Canada)

As you see, not very spectacular overall.  The big positive news, however, is that as a National team we've scored 8 in a row (Davies, Hoilett, Larin, David) - Cavallini was the last to miss in the 2019 Gold Cup v Jamaica.

 

Looks like ugbo should be the taker if he’s on the pitch

[EJsens1]

I can’t even imagine the stress around this site, at the game and Canadian supporters watching the games and we’re down a goal or tied late or something along those lines and we get a penalty kick. That 2 minutes between the call and kick will be the worst no matter who they choose 

[Weng]

1 hour ago, Jack1997 said:

Looks like ugbo should be the taker if he’s on the pitch

Vitoria is also a good penalty taker

[InglewoodJack]

Borjan’s our PK guy. His one and only PK secured the Serbian championship for Red Star, just like his right foot will secure us a win over Belgium.

[Norrin Radd]

3 hours ago, TOcanadafan said:

The big positive news, however, is that as a National team we've scored 8 in a row (Davies, Hoilett, Larin, David) - Cavallini was the last to miss in the 2019 Gold Cup v Jamaica.

MAK missed one last year against the Cayman Islands. His followup attempt on the rebound was also stopped before Davies buried it.

[Kent]

On 8/27/2022 at 10:15 AM, Gian-Luca said:

Osorio is 0 for 3 in PK shootouts, while Borjan is 1 for 1 as a taker

I had in mind he was 1 for 3 in shootouts for TFC. I'll see if I can dig up the info.

He missed in the 2018 CONCACAF Champions League final.

He missed in the 2022 Voyageurs Cup final.

He missed in the 2019 Voyageurs Cup final. (I am starting to believe that you are right).

OK. You are right! And his most recent miss was even after the curse of Issey Nakajima Farran against TFC was lifted.

[Stryker911]

With 4 or 5 games left to go, we have broken last year's record of total minutes played by Canadians in MLS. Last years total was 45200 and after last weeks games this season in at 45795. I will post the individual teams totals at the end of the season, but Montreal and Toronto will certainly set single season highs. Vancouver should get close to last years totals.

[An Observer]

Its that Montreal is doing that and still being second in the East...

[Corazon]

Canadians in MLS

Canadian's continue to put up strong numbers for MLS sides, particularly with the Canadian clubs are we are now passing previous year tallies for goals, assists, players & minutes played. There have been a total of 50 Canadian eligible players to feature in the MLS this season for a total of 45,932 minutes.  Canadians have tallied 51 goals & 64 assists so far this season.  We have officially surpassed last year's total minutes played by Canadians and we have already blown past last seasons goal and assist totals as well.

Canadian Player Minutes by Club

Montreal - 10,980 minutes - 13,590 minutes including Goalkeeping

Toronto - 13,524 minutes

Vancouver - 7,028 minutes - 8,493 minutes including Goalkeeping

US MLS Teams - 5,140 minutes - 10,045 minutes including Goalkeeping

Stats provided by MLS.com.

Player	Team	POS	GP	GS	MP	G	A	P%	T	INT	Duel %
Alistair Johnston	Montreal	RB	29	27	2357	3	5	84.9%	23	27	47.5%
Joel Waterman	Montreal	CB	25	25	2236	3	4	88.2%	16	29	55.2%
Kamal Miller	Montreal	CB	24	23	2061	2	3	84.0%	12	21	60.7%
Raheem Edwards	Los Angeles	LB	25	22	1942	0	6	81.0%	38	25	50.9%
Jayden Nelson	Toronto	LW	28	24	1846	1	2	82.8%	22	12	42.2%
Russell Teibert	Vancouver	CM	24	20	1723	0	1	83.3%	16	32	36.0%
Jonathan Osorio	Toronto	CM	22	20	1672	9	6	90.8%	18	22	54.9%
Luca Petrasso	Toronto	LB	21	20	1605	0	4	74.1%	13	17	51.0%
Kosi Thompson	Toronto	RB	23	18	1572	1	2	77.9%	16	29	54.6%
Mark Anthony Kaye	Toronto	CM	21	18	1566	3	3	83.8%	28	25	45.5%
Lukas MacNaughton	Toronto	CB	22	17	1563	0	0	84.5%	5	23	57.3%
Lucas Cavallini	Vancouver	ST	22	16	1460	8	2	73.7%	9	3	49.5%
Ryan Raposo	Vancouver	CM	27	16	1363	2	3	76.8%	11	23	55.2%
Ismael Kone	Montreal	CM	22	15	1311	2	3	85.2%	4	11	55.8%
Deandre Kerr	Toronto	CM	23	10	1215	3	0	77.5%	10	7	45.8%
Samuel Piette	Montreal	CM	21	12	1180	0	3	88.7%	21	10	51.4%
Mathieu Choiniere	Montreal	CM	21	12	1097	2	1	85.3%	14	4	52.9%
Ayo Akinola	Toronto	ST	22	12	1059	1	0	74.4%	6	2	40.0%
Marcus Godinho	Vancouver	RB	20	11	920	0	1	82.9%	10	7	60.9%
Jacob Shaffelburg	Nashville	LW	17	9	785	1	4	48.3%	8	9	57.1%
Tyler Pasher	New York Red Bulls	ST	17	5	622	2	1	82.5%	3	1	40.7%
Cristian Gutierrez	Vancouver	LB	11	6	613	0	1	85.5%	8	7	61.9%
Richie Laryea	Toronto	RB	7	7	601	0	3	91.7%	5	6	57.6%
Tesho Akindele	Orlando	ST	22	3	504	2	0	69.7%	4	3	45.6%
Jahkeele Marshall-Rutty	Toronto	RB	14	4	472	0	0	88.8%	10	13	63.5%
Ralph Priso-Mbongue	Colorado	CM	15	7	463	1	0	81.9%	15	10	80.0%
Kadin Chung	Toronto	RB	8	5	451	0	1	82.5%	10	8	60.4%
Michael Baldisimo	Vancouver	CM	13	4	450	0	0	82.7%	8	2	39.4%
Zach Brault-Guillard	Montreal	RB	15	3	447	2	2	81.5%	1	6	26.7%
Tosaint Ricketts	Vancouver	ST	19	2	398	3	1	69.1%	3	0	45.1%
Noble Okello	Toronto	CM	6	2	243	0	0	75.5%	5	4	75.0%
Doneil Henry	Toronto	CB	10	2	229	0	0	86.7%	2	3	85.7%
Jordan Peruzza	Toronto	ST	13	1	223	0	0	63.6%	0	0	42.1%
Jacen Russell-Rowe	Columbus	ST	5	3	207	0	2	65.5%	3	1	59.1%
Zorhan Bassong	Montreal	LB	10	1	181	0	0	82.1%	0	2	35.3%
Rida Zouhir	Montreal	CM	4	1	110	0	0	77.6%	0	0	42.9%
Ali Ahmed	Vancouver	CM	2	0	54	0	0	87.0%	0	1	71.4%
Mo Farsi	Columbus	RB	5	0	50	0	0	89.7%	1	0	50.0%
Easton Ongaro	Vancouver	ST	1	1	45	0	0	83.3%	0	0	0.0%
Steffen Yeates	Toronto	CM	2	0	31	0	0	76.9%	1	0	50.0%
Kobe Franklin	Toronto	RB	1	0	13	0	0	100.0%	0	0	50.0%
Themi Antonoglou	Toronto	CM	1	0	10	0	0	100.0%	0	0	100.0%
Emiliano Brienza	Vancouver	ST	1	0	2	0	0	83.3%	0	0	0.0%
Shaan Hundal	Miami	CM
Callum Montgomery	Minnesota	CB
Tani Oluwaseyi	Minnesota	ST
Jean-Aniel Assi	Montreal	ST
Karifa Yao	Montreal	CB
Keesean Ferdinand	Montreal	CB
Nathan-Dylan Saliba	Montreal	CM
Sean Rea	Montreal	CM
Tomas Giraldo	Montreal	CM
O'Vonte Mullings	New York Red Bulls	ST
Adam Pearlman	Toronto	DF
Luke Singh	Toronto	CB
Mehdi Essoussi	Toronto	CM
Damiano Pecile	Vancouver	CM
Derek Cornelious	Vancouver	CB
Lowell Wright	Vancouver	ST
Kamron Habibullah	Vancouver	CM
Matteo Campagna	Vancouver	CM
Simon Colyn	Vancouver	CM
Vasco Fry	Vancouver	ST
Player	Team	POS	GP	GS	MP	S	S %	P%	GA	GAA	Wins
Maxime Crepeau	Los Angeles	GK	28	28	2520	62	67.4%	67.9%	30	1.07	19
Dayne St Clair	Minnesota	GK	27	27	2385	91	69.5%	57.1%	40	1.51	13
Sebastian Breza	Montreal	GK	21	21	1890	47	56.6%	77.5%	36	1.71	11
Thomas Hasal	Vancouver	GK	13	13	1150	37	60.7%	54.6%	24	1.88	3
James Pantemis	Montreal	GK	8	8	720	18	66.7%	79.3%	9	1.13	5
Isaac Boehmer	Vancouver	GK	3	2	225	8	66.7%	56.1%	4	1.6	0
Max Anchor	Vancouver	GK	1	1	90	4	66.7%	58.3%	2	2	0
Jonathan Sirois	Montreal	GK
Greg Ranjitsingh	Toronto	GK
Luka Gavran	Toronto	GK
Ben Alexander	Vancouver	GK
Nikolaos Giantsopoulos	Vancouver	GK

[Pottsy3]

Fun conversation because I can't focus with Thursday Night Football in four hours...

who's the player in the pool that you have a sweet spot for? not necessarily the best player but the guy(s) that you root for the most and love to watch succeed.

For me, I think it's the little French Bulldog Samuel Piette. I appreciate that through many years of criticism (and then finally heroism) he's always shown up for the squad and played his role in triumphs and heartbreaks.

 

Distant second is probably Shaffelburg, just love seeing a Maritime player making moves and Doneil since I think he's often been dealt a tough hand by the NT. 

[costarg]

18 hours ago, Pottsy3 said:

Fun conversation because I can't focus with Thursday Night Football in four hours...

who's the player in the pool that you have a sweet spot for? not necessarily the best player but the guy(s) that you root for the most and love to watch succeed.

For me, I think it's the little French Bulldog Samuel Piette. I appreciate that through many years of criticism (and then finally heroism) he's always shown up for the squad and played his role in triumphs and heartbreaks.

 

Distant second is probably Shaffelburg, just love seeing a Maritime player making moves and Doneil since I think he's often been dealt a tough hand by the NT. 

Miller has been one of my favorites since his first year in Orlando, his personal story is touching and seems like such a great guy. 

Osorio and Laryea are crazy high on my list.  How can anyone not love what they bring?

I'll be following Kone closely as well as cheering for him, I feel his ceiling is ridiculously high.  Seems mature beyond his years in interviews, so calm and composed with the ball at his feet for his age.  The kid is still growing too, I feel he'll be a tank that can run in the midfield, key word is dominant.

 

[El Hombre]

19 hours ago, Pottsy3 said:

who's the player in the pool that you have a sweet spot for? not necessarily the best player but the guy(s) that you root for the most and love to watch succeed.

I always have one or two of these.  It started back with Adrian Serioux and Josh Simpson when they went to Millwall.  I  used to stream radio broadcasts of those games and still remember the first time Serioux took a throw in and it led straight to a goal against Leicester (I think?).  The announcers were gobsmacked.  It was great.  It went as far as joining a Millwall message board until I realized exactly what some of those fans were all about.  Promptly left but still have a Josh Simpson signed Millwall jersey somewhere in my closet.

Right now it's Jayden Nelson.  I'm glad he's playing for TFC because I shudder to think what costs I would have to incur to stream his games if (when?) he goes to Europe.

Kone is another one.  I'm pissed that most CFM games are streamed solely on TVA a lot otherwise I'd happily watch more of him.  Pretty sure tonight's game is on TSN.

[InglewoodJack]

19 hours ago, Pottsy3 said:

 

who's the player in the pool that you have a sweet spot for? not necessarily the best player but the guy(s) that you root for the most and love to watch succeed.

- Liam Millar, he had an excellent first season with Basel, he's one of our few guys who has been able to consistently put in goals, I think he has an extra gear that can elevate him to an even better league at his prime.

- Kone because I love the story of him being a purely Montreal born & raised player who looks like he has the potential to really go all the way. His ascent has been lightning fast, and as someone who thinks that Montreal and Quebec in general would reap amazing rewards with a better focus on talent cultivation, I see him as the inspiration that gets more kids involved, and that gets the powers that be start investing more in growing the sport in the province.

- Alistair Johnston purely for the reason that he does not look like a guy who is a professional athlete- he's a cross between a nerdy gym teacher and an IT guy, but he's so good. He reminds me of those typical 3rd line hockey players- the 5'8 players from Quebec who would drop the mitts with a 6'4 goon, run through glass for the team, and as a guy who was born on the west coast and lived in Montreal and Toronto, he represents our country's three best soccer markets which is a cool story too.

For a deeper cut, I really wanna see Aribim Pepple succeed. From the CPL to getting signed by a Championship team, I think him succeeding goes a long way to proving concept for the CPL, and helps put domestic Canadian soccer on the map. To a slightly lesser extent, any of the other CPL guys who have moved to Europe this year as well.

[El Hombre]

8 minutes ago, InglewoodJack said:

To a slightly lesser extent, any of the other CPL guys who have moved to Europe this year as well.

I second this.  I'm keen to follow any success stories coming out of CPL. 

[PastPros]

19 hours ago, Pottsy3 said:

Fun conversation because I can't focus with Thursday Night Football in four hours...

who's the player in the pool that you have a sweet spot for? not necessarily the best player but the guy(s) that you root for the most and love to watch succeed.

Laryea for sure. Love everything he brings to a game.

I was thinking last night, though... Would I start him against Belgium? Probably not.

Still love the guy.

Kone is my #2 as well. I'd pair him up with Eustaquio in one of the friendlies and see what happens. He'll be eager to improve on his WCQ performance.

[Obinna]

This is hard. I love all of these guys. But I will go with..

Kennedy - He's had a somewhat unique climb up the professional ladder in the era of MLS academies, which is cool. So many Albertans get funneled into the Whitecaps system, but he went straight to Europe and started at the bottom, basically. Now he's entering his 3rd straight season in the 2. Bundesliga. Great accomplishment. He's also a Calgarian and his Dad posts here and gives us some insights into Scott, so he's a fun player to follow and cheer for. 

Tabla - This one is a bit weird, because I have been very critical of him over the years, but that was because I still believe in his potential, even with him dropping down to the CPL with Ottawa. It's either that, or I just haven't let go of the fact he was suppose to be a generational player for Canada. Regardless, I am still cheering for him harder than some others. If he can even just reach half of his potential he'll find his way back onto the national team. 

Nelson - I am a sucker for skilled, inventive, technical attackers. Similar to Tabla, Jayden Nelson seemed to be "the next guy" when he was starring for our U17s in the World Cup. Now that he's playing in midfield, a position we could use depth in, I am cheering for him even more, plus he looks like a young JDG out there in the center with that Afro. Bonus points for that!

.....I'll stop there, lest I go through ever player in the pool and find reasons to have a "soft-spot" for them. 

[Obinna]

29 minutes ago, InglewoodJack said:

- Liam Millar, he had an excellent first season with Basel, he's one of our few guys who has been able to consistently put in goals, I think he has an extra gear that can elevate him to an even better league at his prime.

- Kone because I love the story of him being a purely Montreal born & raised player who looks like he has the potential to really go all the way. His ascent has been lightning fast, and as someone who thinks that Montreal and Quebec in general would reap amazing rewards with a better focus on talent cultivation, I see him as the inspiration that gets more kids involved, and that gets the powers that be start investing more in growing the sport in the province.

- Alistair Johnston purely for the reason that he does not look like a guy who is a professional athlete- he's a cross between a nerdy gym teacher and an IT guy, but he's so good. He reminds me of those typical 3rd line hockey players- the 5'8 players from Quebec who would drop the mitts with a 6'4 goon, run through glass for the team, and as a guy who was born on the west coast and lived in Montreal and Toronto, he represents our country's three best soccer markets which is a cool story too.

For a deeper cut, I really wanna see Aribim Pepple succeed. From the CPL to getting signed by a Championship team, I think him succeeding goes a long way to proving concept for the CPL, and helps put domestic Canadian soccer on the map. To a slightly lesser extent, any of the other CPL guys who have moved to Europe this year as well.

This couldn't be more on point!

[BearcatSA]

Player I root for?  I hope Waterman gets called into the squad this September because he is a late bloomer who has worked his way up in unheralded fashion (neither a hyped up Canadian MLS academy prospect or first round NCAA draft pick).  I don't think he was ever part of the Whitecaps academy system and (please correct me if I am wrong) didn't play in an elite pay-to-play academy.   A CIS/USports/CPL grad, he has become a key supporting piece of a top MLS side.  Miller and Johnston get the accolades on here but Waterman's game has had the most growth.

Also, like me, he's a BC guy!  

My second pick is Kaye because he went from TFC academy cast off and "why is Zambrano picking this guy?" to a player who worked his way up via USL into having a strong MLS career and, when on form, is a really good playmaker with a talent for that incisive killer pass.  Has had poor moments at international and club level, no argument there, but seems to take more flak for those than others with similar poor play.  Finally, he's a player willing to be assertive on social issues: that's not everybody's cup of tea but it means something to me.

Edited September 9, 2022 by BearcatSA

[BearcatSA]

Like @Obinnastates, Kennedy would be a third on my list.  

Edited September 9, 2022 by BearcatSA

[BearcatSA]

30 minutes ago, El Hombre said:

I second this.  I'm keen to follow any success stories coming out of CPL. 

That's another reason for Waterman imo.

[El Hombre]

The problem is though that players are like indie bands: once they get too good and play at too high a level, it isn't as much fun tracking their progress so you have to go find another diamond in the rough.

[Stryker911]

Has to be Laryea. I love being on the other side of the shenanigans when we play Central American teams. They are so frustrating and it is great giving them some of their own medicine. Also as a guy that has been discarded by multiple teams to a National team star is incredible.

Also, if this was a couple years ago, every single person would say Davies. To go from being born in a refugee camp to a Champions League winner and world IX is insane.

[PiedPilko]

Everyone already took mine but I'll throw in Pasher and Ennin