Califax Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 roses are red, some jackets have hoods, 50 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said: Borjans Sweatpants, Mihairokov, Canuckia and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattd97 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Just like I'm more upset at the blackhawks/hockey canada/soccer canada doing the stuff westhead is reporting than westhead for reporting it, I'm also more upset at the coaches for being dumb enough to do it at the Olympics where drones are illegal and cheating matters more than for doing it at all. It's really not a big deal, but if another country/team did it I'd be fake mad too while acknowledging it's really a big ol' nothing jonovision, HochelagaFC and TOcanadafan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattd97 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Maybe if the states had filmed us in wcq they would have noticed it was windy and adjusted their goalies distribution.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Obinna, Dominic94, CanadaFan123 and 8 others 2 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMo Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 (edited) I am sorry this doesnt move me at all and I agree entirely with the people that are saying this is overblown. This is being covered like a massive doping ring, rather than gamesmanship in a sport that is filled with it. Obviously, it was moronic to do this in an area where flying is strictly prohibited. But to suggest this tars all of our achievements and that we should (or will) be severly punished by FIFA is a wild overreaction to me. To me, the core issue is our deeply engrained boy scout national perception is wounded by the story. It also doesnt help that this occured in the middle of the pre-Olympic media cycle, where the media is always searching for scandals and stories of where Olympic preparations have gone wrong. Its not a coincidence that this exact story, got virtually zero attention when it popped up during the mens WCQ cycle. The Hondurans also returned the favour then and flew a drone over our practice at BMO. I dont think this even got covered in TSN or any Candian media outlet. Edited July 26 by BigMo jonovision, sebdeserio, Kadenge and 10 others 11 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soro17 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 2 minutes ago, Gian-Luca said: That is a very careful answer. What about all the other times (qualifiers, Gold Cup, etc.)? Canuckia, costarg, Kent and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMo Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 2 minutes ago, Gian-Luca said: Welp, he just signed his death certificate. Predict we will have a story by end of day that verifies it also happened under his watch. He should have learned from what happened to his understudy. NVsoccer, Borjans Sweatpants, Ivan and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mpg_29 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Reading between the lines it's possible Herdman was doing it at lower level matches/tournaments where there would be less security/eyeballs to get caught but Priestman carried on and was much more careless (ie WC, Olympics). If you are going to do this type of stuff the people involved have to relatively meticulous/careful in being covert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 24 minutes ago, Soro17 said: That is a very careful answer. What about all the other times (qualifiers, Gold Cup, etc.)? You won't be the only one to have noticed that. Rick Westhead has already specifically mentioned a Nations League game against the United States when he was head coach of the CMNT https://www.tsn.ca/soccer/canada-s-men-s-and-women-s-soccer-teams-have-relied-on-drones-and-spying-for-years-sources-say-1.2153674 ...Staff and contractors connected to the men’s national team have also filmed the closed training sessions of competitors, one of the sources told TSN, adding that Canada used a drone to record a U.S. training session before a Nov. 15, 2019, game in Florida. The U.S. won that game 4-1... https://www.espn.com/soccer/report/_/gameId/540346 ..."They silenced some critics here," Canada coach John Herdman said. The U.S. (2-1) would finish ahead of Canada (3-1) to win the group and advance to the semifinals of the first CONCACAF Nations League if it beats Cuba (0-3) on Tuesday in a match moved to George Town, Cayman Islands, because of issues with the stadium lights in Havana... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Us dorks on here will continue to have a field day with this topic, but I suspect it will disappear from the general public consciousness unless a points deduction is applied at some point, or possibly resurface if the WNT make it to the medal rounds. The flow of other Olympics stories, medalists, outcomes, will overwhelm this story. narduch and Unnamed Trialist 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 3 minutes ago, jonovision said: Us dorks on here will continue to have a field day with this topic, but I suspect it will disappear from the general public consciousness unless a points deduction is applied at some point, or possibly resurface if the WNT make it to the medal rounds. The flow of other Olympics stories, medalists, outcomes, will overwhelm this story. Celine Dion performing at the Opening Ceremony will probably dwarf this story eventually Bison44 and Unnamed Trialist 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 (edited) I think people should suffer the consequences. The consequences for being stupid It's one thing to fly a drone over a Honduras national team practice for some game. You're flying a drone at an Olympic games in Paris with unprecedented security amongst global anxiety of full scale war and a week after there was an attempt to kill a former president and the guy flew a drone over the site. You dont think you'll get caught? And you're doing this why? You're frightened of New Zealand and you're looking for what? How they defend corner kicks? It's just kinda silly. I think the you "cheated" thing is overblown. I just feel we look like morons Edited July 26 by SpursFlu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Damn. Unnamed Trialist, PastPros, Ivan and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Hilarious that Herdman used a drone prior to two of the worst Canada performances under his watch. Just stick to the swords and stories John. costarg, SpursFlu and narduch 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 3 minutes ago, jonovision said: Us dorks on here will continue to have a field day with this topic, but I suspect it will disappear from the general public consciousness unless a points deduction is applied at some point, or possibly resurface if the WNT make it to the medal rounds. The flow of other Olympics stories, medalists, outcomes, will overwhelm this story. The problem with that narrative is a World Cup co-hosting is just around the corner and a lot of federal government money is going to be spent on that. They got caught to the extent that an eight month suspended jail sentence is involved. The CSA needs to be seen to thoroughly clean house at this point so the page can be turned. The narrative should be that Kevin Blue and Jesse Marsch are cleaning up the mess that was the Victor Montagliani era. They need to be joined in that process by a completely new CWNT coaching team as soon as these games are over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 4 minutes ago, narduch said: Damn. Looks bad, of course, but while I would guess a fair number of teams are using drones to observe other team's practices, I am certain that a majority of teams use drones to film their own practices, scrimmages, etc. This is a fully legitimate skill for an analyst to employ in their job. narduch, mpg_29, h coach and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eramosat Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 It's a big bummer to have this dominate the sporting headlines. An even bigger bummer for CSA to lean into the guilt. Now that's Canadian. Unnamed Trialist and Bison44 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 1 minute ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said: The problem with that narrative is a World Cup co-hosting is just around the corner and a lot of federal government money is going to be spent on that. They got caught to the extent that an eight month suspended jail sentence is involved. The CSA needs to be seen to thoroughly clean house at this point so the page can be turned. The narrative should be that Kevin Blue and Jesse Marsch are cleaning up the mess that was the Victor Montagliani era. They need to be joined in that process by a completely new CWNT coaching team as soon as these games are over. Probably true, for the most part, but not things anyone outside of Canada soccer nerds will care to pay attention to. narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 (edited) What does this have to do with the CSA? You have a coach who probably realized that the team that won gold wasn't going to do much and in order to save her job got ridiculously desperate I really dont see a huge benefit to flying a drone over the other teams practice. If you want to take that risk and that's how you want to spend your time and resources then that's on you. Better not get caught and better win because maybe you should spend your time and focus on something else Edited July 26 by SpursFlu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpg_29 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 2 minutes ago, jonovision said: Looks bad, of course, but while I would guess a fair number of teams are using drones to observe other team's practices, I am certain that a majority of teams use drones to film their own practices, scrimmages, etc. This is a fully legitimate skill for an analyst to employ in their job. Arash Madani tweeted this out and is overreacting without any real rational analysis. Just stirring the pot now imo NVsoccer and Mihairokov 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 1 minute ago, mpg_29 said: Arash Madani tweeted this out and is overreacting without any real rational analysis. Just stirring the pot now imo A real reporter could probably dig up similar job postings from other teams and federations within minutes and compare to see if camera and drone operating are part of the job description. He'd have a stronger case if he could collect a few with no listed expectations of drone use. Heck, even Westhead could have alluded to one of the countless practice-spying stories of the last 5 to 10 years in one of the later graphs of his story to provide some context. Mihairokov, frattinator, Bison44 and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 I seems like during days/weeks I am busy with life, a new Canada Soccer tire fire magically jumps to life. It seems like they should pay me to always be vigilant. costarg, cornerkick and red card 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe MacCarthy Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 12 minutes ago, mpg_29 said: Arash Madani tweeted this out and is overreacting without any real rational analysis. Trash Madani? I don't believe it. Mihairokov, Ivan and narduch 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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