king1010 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Wonder if this started with Herdman with the women and continued with the men. costarg, Ivan, grigorio and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floortom Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Is this really surprising ? We’ve been caught at least three times now. Clearly there’s a long standing pattern here. Have to wonder how much of this was instituted by Herdman. Hopefully Marsch put an end to it in the Men’s program already. costarg, Ivan, Addona and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkRegionFan Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 11 minutes ago, VinceA said: Doesn't make it any less important. I know this sub hates him (with some people hating on him for some pretty suspect and weird reasons) but for all the high and mighty many here like to pretend to be we ain't any better than the other CONCACAF nations that try to get advantages anyway they can. All the other nations likely are engaged in similar shenanigans, as we see when the Herdman said they prefer to stay in Canada until the very last minute before going down to the Concacaff nations. Otherwise they would be spied upon down there. Unfortunately Canada is stupid enough to get caught. narduch, jonovision, CanSoccfan11 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkRegionFan Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 15 minutes ago, narduch said: Yup. It's Westhead At least he is consistent, reporting stuff on both the men and women's sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadasoccer20 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 I have no issue with Westhead. This article was necessary. I do hope this doesn't effect the movement of the CMNT and what Jesse Marsch has brought to this team. Seems like this story won't be going away anytime soon. Mattd97, costarg, Borjans Sweatpants and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadave Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Very silly to hate on Westhead for what is some of the best sports reporting in Canada today (covering both the national soccer and hockey programs) simply because the unpleasant truths he brings to light make your favourite teams look bad. canucksfan, costarg, frattinator and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Just like when Ben Johnson lost his gold in a field of 100M sprinters where every single one was eventually confirmed as a cheat, I think we're being naive if we don't think that there aren't loads of other teams doing similar things to gain an edge. Does that make it right? Of courser not. Does that mean it's not embarrassing to be the one caught, and on the world stage? No, it's embarrassing and bad and hopefully we get to the bottom of it. It doesn't take a lot of connecting of dots to trace this back to a certain current MLS manager, however. johnyb, Addona, Club Linesman and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 4 minutes ago, canadave said: Very silly to hate on Westhead for what is some of the best sports reporting in Canada today (covering both the national soccer and hockey programs) simply because the unpleasant truths he brings to light make your favourite teams look bad. I don't think Westhead's reporting is always of quality. He clearly is out of his depth on certain topics. But he gained credibility with the Blackhawks story, and now is very trusted by sources. I expect he'll continue to break a steady stream of this kind of story in a variety of sports due to the reputation he has gained. canucksfan, Ivan, Watchmen and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 I'm only pissed if they take Sinclair's gold. jonovision and costarg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOcanadafan Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 If it was going to come out, better now than later. Marsch can likely deny involvement (which for all we know is true). Poor reporting in that there is no mention of drones being used since Marsch has taken over. Westhead needs to be taken to task on lack of due diligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggietfc Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 (edited) wonder if herdman s job is on the line with tfc Edited July 26 by reggietfc Addona, narduch and DeRo_Is_King 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strait Red Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 31 minutes ago, king1010 said: Wonder if this started with Herdman with the women and continued with the men. Definitely, they are pals from way back. costarg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplebanana Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 13 minutes ago, canadave said: Very silly to hate on Westhead for what is some of the best sports reporting in Canada today (covering both the national soccer and hockey programs) simply because the unpleasant truths he brings to light make your favourite teams look bad. I wince whenever he has an article out, because it's always painting my teams in a bad light. But it's not his fault that my teams put themselves in that place to begin with. And I'm a Blackhawks fan too! jhoops__, MtlMario and costarg 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 18 minutes ago, TOcanadafan said: If it was going to come out, better now than later. Marsch can likely deny involvement (which for all we know is true). Poor reporting in that there is no mention of drones being used since Marsch has taken over. Westhead needs to be taken to task on lack of due diligence. I don't think "the men's program has (maybe) not used them for 3 months" is quite the counter-argument you think it is. Kent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckia Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 45 minutes ago, YorkRegionFan said: At least he is consistent, reporting stuff on both the men and women's sides. Or is he making sure the Men get dragged in. Probably his usual source that likes to drop bombs on every Men;s window. NVsoccer, YorkRegionFan and king1010 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_S Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 (edited) 14 minutes ago, maplebanana said: I wince whenever he has an article out, because it's always painting my teams in a bad light. But it's not his fault that my teams put themselves in that place to begin with. And I'm a Blackhawks fan too! Was life long blackhawks fan but threw my cap into the garbage when the scandal came to light. And now the Oilers have hired the GM behind it all. NHL old boys network has no shame. Sorry for the non-soccer post Edited July 26 by Ed_S BearcatSA, RS, The Real Marc and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 20 minutes ago, Strait Red said: Definitely, they are pals from way back. Preistman is a chip off the Herdman block. Both come across (at least to me) as arrogant AF, and seem to think they are smarter than everyone else. PastPros, Strait Red, johnyb and 7 others 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckia Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 2 minutes ago, Canuckia said: Or is he making sure the Men get dragged in. Probably his usual source that likes to drop bombs on every Men;s window. I think I solved it. His source is the drone guy!🤣 narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeRo_Is_King Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 I don't care what anyone says. This is disgraceful and risky if caught. I personally don't want to hear of another instance, whether the opposition does it or not. If more investigations need to happen, let them. What an embarrassment. Ivan and canucksfan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOcanadafan Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 8 minutes ago, Watchmen said: I don't think "the men's program has (maybe) not used them for 3 months" is quite the counter-argument you think it is. Perform due diligence as a reporter. Ask Marsch the question before writing the article. jonovision, narduch and masster 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floortom Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 8 minutes ago, Canuckia said: Or is he making sure the Men get dragged in. Probably his usual source that likes to drop bombs on every Men;s window. There have already been public accusations against the Men's program in the past years ago. This stuff was already out there so how can you accuse Westhead of dragging the men into it now? RS and costarg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckia Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 15 minutes ago, Floortom said: There have already been public accusations against the Men's program in the past years ago. This stuff was already out there so how can you accuse Westhead of dragging the men into it now? I understand that it was already out there. He and his source are making sure they are pulled right to the front. CanadaFan123 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceA Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 I remember Honduras compla8ning about this a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 10 minutes ago, Canuckia said: I understand that it was already out there. He and his source are making sure they are pulled right to the front. I don't think anyone thinks the men are right at the front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 1 hour ago, VinceA said: Doesn't make it any less important. I know this sub hates him (with some people hating on him for some pretty suspect and weird reasons) but for all the high and mighty many here like to pretend to be we ain't any better than the other CONCACAF nations that try to get advantages anyway they can. Trying to "get an advantage" like playing in -15c, is one thing. Flat out cheating and breaking laws is a whole other thing. Herdman had lost a lot of points on my scale that time between qualifying and his resignation, the only good thing I could still manage to give him was that run. Even without evidence or knowing 100%, my gut just tells me this has his finger prints all over it. Part of me hopes the whole story does not come out, but a part of me feels like we already know. DeRo_Is_King 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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