Obinna Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 2 hours ago, footballfreak said: What was the workaround during the Centenario? Doesn’t seem like anything has changed since then. Going off memory, these are some of the players I recall participating: Courtinho, Willian, Allison, Sanchez, Vidal, Pulisic, Suarez, etc. Looking at the squad lists confirms my memory of this being an A tournament. As for workarounds, I notice the CA usually runs from mid june into july, which is basically when 2024 is slated to be, but the centenario was June 3 to June 26, possibly to avoid the euro pre-season conflict? 2024 is still a ways away. I bet they do similar to accomodate if the tournament is indeed expanded. WestHamCanadianinOxford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 In addition to our talent being front ended, the spine of our team, sans David, lacks pace and is accentuated when you play 2 mids with 2/3 CBs who are also lacking pace. May have played a part in why we lost shape and got stretched in some games. Watching Morocco today they really function as a unit on attack and when defending in numbers on both sides of the ball. Hopefully Kone will help in that regard. YorkRegionFan, Jack1997 and Shway 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkRegionFan Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Missing Scott Kennedy due to injury really hurts a lot. If we were able to rotate him into one of the games, his speed would have helped. SoCalTransport, Greatest Cockney Rip Off, Jack1997 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Kadenge said: In addition to our talent being front ended, the spine of our team, sans David, lacks pace and is accentuated when you play 2 mids with 2/3 CBs who are also lacking pace. May have played a part in why we lost shape and got stretched in some games. Watching Morocco today they really function as a unit on attack and when defending in numbers on both sides of the ball. Hopefully Kone will help in that regard. But we did this exactly too….WHEN we played with 3 in the middle. I don’t get why Herdman felt that we could go 3-4-3. Did we ever play that in qualifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footballfreak Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 No one asked for this, but I was bored so I decided to put together a list of the teams Canada has never played a senior men’s international against. In order of the October rankings: 18 Senegal 21 Serbia 25 Sweden 32 Nigeria 33 Russia* (played USSR) 42 Norway 46 Mali 48 Ivory Coast 53 Romania 54 Burkina Faso 55 Slovakia 58 Bosnia and Herzegovina 66 Albania 69 Montenegro 70 United Arab Emirates 71 Cape Verde 73 DR Congo 75 Oman 76 Israel 78 Georgia 81 Gabon 82 Bolivia 83 Guinea 84 Jordan 88 Zambia 89 Uganda 90 Syria 91 Benin 94 Palestine 95 Kyrgyzstan 96 Vietnam 98 Equatorial Guinea 99 Lebanon 100 Congo 101 Kenya 102 Madagascar 106 India 107 Kosovo 108 Tajikistan 111 Thailand 113 Kazakhstan 114 Mozambique 115 Namibia 116 Guinea-Bissau 117 Sierra Leone 119 Angola 121 Niger 124 Malawi 125 Zimbabwe 126 Gambia 127 Togo 128 Sudan 129 Comoros 130 Tanzania131 Antigua and Barbuda 132 Central African Republic 133 Philippines 134 Latvia 135 Turkmenistan 136 Solomon Islands 137 Rwanda 138 Ethiopia 141 Burundi142 Nicaragua 143 Eswatini 144 Lithuania 147 Lesotho 148 Botswana 149 Kuwait 150 Liberia 151 Andorra153 Dominican Republic 154 Maldives 155 Yemen 156 Afghanistan 157 Chinese Taipei 158 Myanmar 159 Papua New Guinea 161 New Caledonia 162 Tahiti 163 Fiji 164 Vanuatu 165 South Sudan171 Guyana173 Grenada 175 Nepal 177 Cambodia179 Montserrat 180 Mauritius 181 Chad 182 Macau 183 Mongolia 185 Bhutan 186 São Tomé and Príncipe 187 Laos 188 American Samoa 189 Cook Islands 190 Brunei 191 Samoa 192 Bangladesh 193 Djibouti 194 Pakistan 196 Liechtenstein 197 Tonga 198 Timor-Leste 199 Seychelles 200 Eritrea202 Bahamas 203 Somalia 204 Gibraltar 205 Guam206 Turks and Caicos Islands 207 Sri Lanka209 British Virgin Islands 210 Anguilla 211 San Marino Other: Guyana, Bonaire, Saint Martin, Sint Maarten I was surprised at Bolivia, Nicaragua, Dominican Republic, Guyana, and Grenada. Feels like we should have run into all of them at some point. Kent, Obinna, NVsoccer and 5 others 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 @footballfreak Bolivia could be an interesting opponent for a camp poutine. Would there players (basically all domestic) be available in January for a game? They are concacaf-like in some respects, and although the lack of qualifying perhaps diminishes the need to play these kind of teams, we still have Gold Cup and Nations League, so I would argue playing such teams is still a good thing. If not Bolivia, then Nicaragua, Guyana, DR, etc. I just picked Bolivia because they are the strongest of that bunch. I wonder if we get more out of that then playing Iceland's B team, for example. Do we get any benefit from seeing European B teams vs. similar level teams in and around our own neck of the woods? I kind of feel like we should save the European teams for when we have our A team together. I would love to see friendlies against teams like Denmark, Serbia, Switzerland etc. throughout this cycle...and at at least a couple against a team like France, Germany, England, etc., just to experience (once again) what the highest level teams are like to play against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trc2014 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Anyone else starting to think about making the trip to Curaçao in March? gator 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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A_Gagne Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 13 hours ago, footballfreak said: No one asked for this, but I was bored so I decided to put together a list of the teams Canada has never played a senior men’s international against. In order of the October rankings: 18 Senegal 21 Serbia 25 Sweden 32 Nigeria 33 Russia* (played USSR) 42 Norway 46 Mali 48 Ivory Coast 53 Romania 54 Burkina Faso 55 Slovakia 58 Bosnia and Herzegovina 66 Albania 69 Montenegro 70 United Arab Emirates 71 Cape Verde 73 DR Congo 75 Oman 76 Israel 78 Georgia 81 Gabon 82 Bolivia 83 Guinea 84 Jordan 88 Zambia 89 Uganda 90 Syria 91 Benin 94 Palestine 95 Kyrgyzstan 96 Vietnam 98 Equatorial Guinea 99 Lebanon 100 Congo 101 Kenya 102 Madagascar 106 India 107 Kosovo 108 Tajikistan 111 Thailand 113 Kazakhstan 114 Mozambique 115 Namibia 116 Guinea-Bissau 117 Sierra Leone 119 Angola 121 Niger 124 Malawi 125 Zimbabwe 126 Gambia 127 Togo 128 Sudan 129 Comoros 130 Tanzania131 Antigua and Barbuda 132 Central African Republic 133 Philippines 134 Latvia 135 Turkmenistan 136 Solomon Islands 137 Rwanda 138 Ethiopia 141 Burundi142 Nicaragua 143 Eswatini 144 Lithuania 147 Lesotho 148 Botswana 149 Kuwait 150 Liberia 151 Andorra153 Dominican Republic 154 Maldives 155 Yemen 156 Afghanistan 157 Chinese Taipei 158 Myanmar 159 Papua New Guinea 161 New Caledonia 162 Tahiti 163 Fiji 164 Vanuatu 165 South Sudan171 Guyana173 Grenada 175 Nepal 177 Cambodia179 Montserrat 180 Mauritius 181 Chad 182 Macau 183 Mongolia 185 Bhutan 186 São Tomé and Príncipe 187 Laos 188 American Samoa 189 Cook Islands 190 Brunei 191 Samoa 192 Bangladesh 193 Djibouti 194 Pakistan 196 Liechtenstein 197 Tonga 198 Timor-Leste 199 Seychelles 200 Eritrea202 Bahamas 203 Somalia 204 Gibraltar 205 Guam206 Turks and Caicos Islands 207 Sri Lanka209 British Virgin Islands 210 Anguilla 211 San Marino Other: Guyana, Bonaire, Saint Martin, Sint Maarten I was surprised at Bolivia, Nicaragua, Dominican Republic, Guyana, and Grenada. Feels like we should have run into all of them at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 We never played DR? Really? No Grenada or Nicaragua? I would’ve assumed we’ve played every concacaf country at some point in the last century or so. footballfreak 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplebanana Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 hour ago, InglewoodJack said: We never played DR? Really? No Grenada or Nicaragua? I would’ve assumed we’ve played every concacaf country at some point in the last century or so. Nicaragua for sure the most surprising one to me. I could have sworn we played them in like 2008 in like the pre-pre-pre WCQ or something. DR is less surprising, until I remember that I only learned within the last decade that Dominica is a totally separate country and not just the way that Dominican Republic refers to themselves in soccer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 hour ago, maplebanana said: Nicaragua for sure the most surprising one to me. I could have sworn we played them in like 2008 in like the pre-pre-pre WCQ or something. DR is less surprising, until I remember that I only learned within the last decade that Dominica is a totally separate country and not just the way that Dominican Republic refers to themselves in soccer. We did play Nicaragua in a pre gold cup scrimmage a little while back. Guyana and Grenada we played as well but our u23 team faced them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footballfreak Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 1 hour ago, CanadaFan123 said: We did play Nicaragua in a pre gold cup scrimmage a little while back. Guyana and Grenada we played as well but our u23 team faced them. I wasn’t able to find the games you mentioned, but this list of unofficial CanMNT games includes a few teams not faced in official matches. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_men's_national_soccer_team_results_(unofficial_matches) San Marino (1986), Congo Rep. (1984), Nigeria (1984) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 Sweden, Norway, Romania really jump out at me. We had, and continue to have (in some cases), quality players in these kinds of countries; I'm surprised the respective associations never saw the mutual usefulness of a match with each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 12 hours ago, footballfreak said: I wasn’t able to find the games you mentioned, but this list of unofficial CanMNT games includes a few teams not faced in official matches. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_men's_national_soccer_team_results_(unofficial_matches) San Marino (1986), Congo Rep. (1984), Nigeria (1984) Probably because it wasn’t even an unofficial game - just a scrimmage. https://www.canadasoccer.com/news/canadas-preparations-underway-at-home-for-the-concacaf-gold-cup/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footballfreak Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, nolando said: Sweden, Norway, Romania really jump out at me. We had, and continue to have (in some cases), quality players in these kinds of countries; I'm surprised the respective associations never saw the mutual usefulness of a match with each other. I’m also going to add India to that list. A friendly against India in Vancouver, even if it’s just a developmental Canada side, probably sells 30,000+. We might be out of their league right now, but that hasn’t always been the case. Seems like a missed opportunity. Edited December 8, 2022 by footballfreak InglewoodJack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 Just now, footballfreak said: I’m also going to add India with that list. A friendly against India in Vancouver, even if it’s just a developmental Canada side, probably sells 30,000+. We might be out of their league right now, but that hasn’t always been the case. Seems like a missed opportunity. Honestly, I think an India team Canada tour would sell well. Play a game at BMO, BC Place, Tim Horton's Field, I think every single game would sell out. footballfreak 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) 51 minutes ago, InglewoodJack said: Honestly, I think an India team Canada tour would sell well. Play a game at BMO, BC Place, Tim Horton's Field, I think every single game would sell out. Probably any major city in Canada to be honest. Edmonton and Calgary have large Indian populations, although soccer in India is not generally popular aside from small pockets of fanatics. At least that's my understanding. I am far from an expert on soccer in India (or India in general). Edited December 8, 2022 by Obinna johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceA Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 I think you guys are overrating the average Indian soccer fan in Canada. I've met many and barely any support local Indian football or the national team. Shway and Kent 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplebanana Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 1 hour ago, VinceA said: I think you guys are overrating the average Indian soccer fan in Canada. I've met many and barely any support local Indian football or the national team. Yes, that's my experience too. Many are more likely to say 'we have a soccer team?' I think a friendly with China would draw well, but politically could be a landmine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) Actually back in the day India played the Whitecaps at Swangard. Some of the people from the large Indian soccer community that went were annoyed because A - they sucked and B - most have the local soccer community are Sikhs and the India team were not. A lot of the comments were like local Sikh teams shod have played them because we could beat them. So I do think India would draw like crazy because there are a lot more none Sikh Indians in Canafa now but I think there is more to it then people think Edited December 8, 2022 by SpursFlu GasPed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trc2014 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 On 12/3/2022 at 12:55 PM, VinceA said: I think their latest ep was one of their most critical, AGR and Peter were not happy at all with the set-up and regularly called out Herdman's shape set-up as confusing. I think also though they don't want to be negative for the sake of being negative as many USA podcast and shows do which go overboard easily. You have yahoos there already ripping the US and Berhalter for losing to the Van Gaal's Netherlands as if they were supposed to be making the finals. On the latest episode they essentially undid all of that Herdman criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SthMelbRed Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 2 hours ago, SpursFlu said: Actually back in the day India played the Whitecaps at Swangard. Some of the people from the large Indian soccer community that went were annoyed because A - they sucked and B - most have the local soccer community are Sikhs and the India team were not. A lot of the comments were like local Sikh teams shod have played them because we could beat them. So I do think India would draw like crazy because there are a lot more none Sikh Indians in Canafa now but I think there is more to it then people think Many of us in the Punjabi-Sikh community in Canada don't necessarily identify with India in any kind of patriotic sense. India is not a unified country in the way that most others might be considered. There's no common language from state to state, there are too many diverse religious groups to count, and the current neo-fascist, Hindu-nationalist BJP government treats the various minorities like shit. The vast majority of the Indo-Canadian population are Punjabi Sikhs and would be unlikely to turn up to support the Indian national football team if they played in Canada. The Indian cricket team, on the other hand, is a rare unifying force which would get them out in the thousands, I reckon. jhoops__, footballfreak, GasPed and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kacbru Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 But how many ranking points would we get for beating the Indian cricket team in a soccer game? MtlMario, SthMelbRed and Kent 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTransport Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 2 hours ago, maplebanana said: Yes, that's my experience too. Many are more likely to say 'we have a soccer team?' I think a friendly with China would draw well, but politically could be a landmine. All of my employees that are Indian are big Messi fans, a lot of them drove to Red Bull Arena to see him play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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