Watchmen Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 14 hours ago, Cheeta said: It sounds funny, but we have people who'll come out to E & C but won't go to The King's Head. OK sure, one is a pub and the other a hotel bar and each has their own vibe but still, they're literally 4-5 downtown streets apart. A six-ten minute walk apart. WTF? I've been to Winnipeg exactly once, but needed to find a bar to watch some soccer and Kings Head was where I ended up. Very accommodating (at least at the time) and thought it was a good place. Wtf indeed. Cheeta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 Posted in MLS section by @saladroit, but relevant here: MLS looking at an 8 week transfer window in both the winter and summer, rather than the current system. And yes, the article mentions they're in talks with the CSA about it as well. johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 What is the purpose of transfer windows anyway? I get that there needs to be some sort of roster lock down at some point so that teams don't, for example, keep adding new players during the playoffs but why are teams only permitted to look for players during such narrow windows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 1 hour ago, Kingston said: What is the purpose of transfer windows anyway? I get that there needs to be some sort of roster lock down at some point so that teams don't, for example, keep adding new players during the playoffs but why are teams only permitted to look for players during such narrow windows? It's sort of like hunting season and fishing permits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 21 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said: It's sort of like hunting season and fishing permits. So without a transfer window we would deplete the available supply of soccer players and eventually drive them into extinction? Unnamed Trialist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aird25 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 56 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said: It's sort of like hunting season and fishing permits. Apart from the biological principles that typically dictate those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebdeserio Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 4 hours ago, Kingston said: What is the purpose of transfer windows anyway? I get that there needs to be some sort of roster lock down at some point so that teams don't, for example, keep adding new players during the playoffs but why are teams only permitted to look for players during such narrow windows? So that big teams aren't continuously unsettling players during the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SthMelbRed Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 9 hours ago, Kingston said: What is the purpose of transfer windows anyway? I get that there needs to be some sort of roster lock down at some point so that teams don't, for example, keep adding new players during the playoffs but why are teams only permitted to look for players during such narrow windows? There is nothing preventing two clubs from completing a transfer outside of the specified window. It's just that the buying team wouldn't be able to register that player until the next transfer window opened. So, from a buying perspective, it makes no sense to do official business outside of the window. However, plenty of negotiation still does occur outside of the windows, setting up deals to be finalised once the next window opens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 11 hours ago, Kingston said: What is the purpose of transfer windows anyway? I get that there needs to be some sort of roster lock down at some point so that teams don't, for example, keep adding new players during the playoffs but why are teams only permitted to look for players during such narrow windows? It's (at least in part) to prevent a big club from raiding a smaller team doing well mid-season (as opposed to doing it during the windows). You can repress a smaller club easier if you can simply take their good players when they're doing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 (edited) Reading up on this, according to FIFA your primary window can be up to 12 weeks. Your secondary window can only be 4 weeks. So I'm not totally sure how MLS can mirror the Euro summer window (which is approximately 8 weeks). Before 2002 the transfer window in England worked similar to the trade deadline in the NHL. I believe you could make moves all season until around mid March. Edited August 30 by narduch Unnamed Trialist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 14 hours ago, narduch said: Reading up on this, according to FIFA your primary window can be up to 12 weeks. Your secondary window can only be 4 weeks. So I'm not totally sure how MLS can mirror the Euro summer window (which is approximately 8 weeks). Before 2002 the transfer window in England worked similar to the trade deadline in the NHL. I believe you could make moves all season until around mid March. FIFA gives you 16 weeks total. Most places go 12 for the primary, which is why they can only do 4 for the secondary. But, there's nothing stopping countries from going 8 and 8. I don't think MLS would perfectly mirror Europe, but it can be closer. narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 (edited) Something to keep an eye on from a Reddit thread about CanPL disappearing from an online betting website called BetRivers: The only thing I've seen going on that looked potentially dodgy to me in a Toronto Croatia or Brantford Galaxy in the CSL sort of way was William Akio's inexplicable goalline clearance while playing for the Valour that went viral. When it's only one isolated incident like that it's OK to dismiss it as a harmless freak event. If those $200k vs $17 numbers were accurate though... Edited September 1 by Ozzie_the_parrot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 Ah yes. Anonymous reddit speculation. Bet Rivers is a bit of a joke as it is. I'm not into gambling and think it's a scourge on all sports. But if you really are into that sort of thing, a site like Bet365 removing CPL would actually be a big deal. Ivan, Bbeto, gator and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aird25 Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 That linesman that called back two Pacific goals incorrectly must have the 200k on Pacific not scoring. It's amazing how MLS trolls are the first to hear these rumours, when those that actually follow the league remain blissfully ignorant narduch, CDNFootballer and Bbeto 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 ^^^didn't take long to turn this into CanPL vs MLS but all too predictable on here. I read back through the posts of the two Redditors in question and it definitely doesn't appear to be a case of accounts that suddenly appeared out of nowhere to troll people. If anything one of them appears to be more of a CanPL fan than an MLS one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aird25 Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said: ^^^didn't take long to turn this into CanPL vs MLS but all too predictable on here. I read back through the posts of the two Redditors in question and it definitely doesn't appear to be a case of accounts that suddenly appeared out of nowhere to troll people. If anything one of them appears to be more of a CanPL fan than an MLS one. Which one would that be? That's the first time one of them posted about CPL. The other guy exclusively posts around the political aspects of the league (CSB deal, TV deal, expansion hopes, attendance etc) with a negative spin and outlook. Sound like anyone else we know (I'm shocked you were the one that brought this commment here)? The only match they've ever commented on was Forge vs TFC. Edited September 1 by Aird25 narduch, Admiral Murray and Bbeto 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 All to predictable..is the guy who bloodhounds every piece of trash, talking about a negative CPL rumour they heard and bringing it here. And he seriously wonders why people think he has it in for the league? longlugan, Bbeto, CDNFootballer and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 Well to be fair, rumors of this sort shouldn't just be swept under the rug. Obviously this board isn't going to prove or disprove anything, but it's not like the CPL is somehow uniquely immune to match fixing. It's actually a great candidate for match fixing. Pretty low profile, and the players and officials aren't paid well which theoretically makes it easier to bribe them. And it's not like we haven't had match fixing scandals in the past in Canada (the provincial CSL, and further back the Merlion Cup, heck even a Toronto Raptor last season, if I remember correctly). Hopefully this is a false rumor or if there is something to it, hopefully it gets stamped out quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 7 hours ago, Kent said: Well to be fair, rumors of this sort shouldn't just be swept under the rug. Obviously this board isn't going to prove or disprove anything, but it's not like the CPL is somehow uniquely immune to match fixing. It's actually a great candidate for match fixing. Pretty low profile, and the players and officials aren't paid well which theoretically makes it easier to bribe them. And it's not like we haven't had match fixing scandals in the past in Canada (the provincial CSL, and further back the Merlion Cup, heck even a Toronto Raptor last season, if I remember correctly). Hopefully this is a false rumor or if there is something to it, hopefully it gets stamped out quickly. Since we have rogue leagues in Ontario wedded to match fixing it isn't so wild to think it could happen. And you're perfectly right the vulnerable setups are lower paying leagues. But refs can be incompetent even in serious leagues, with the rule change with semi automatic offsides I've already seen a few errors in this year's Liga. So without VAR and with weak CSA review of reffing errors (something MLS tries to do better) you are asking for problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 7 hours ago, Kent said: ... (the provincial CSL, ... Not massively important but worth noting that they were sanctioned by the CSA rather than the OSA at the time. https://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/canadian-soccer-league-to-fight-decertification-1.1390707 That's how they had a high enough profile to gain access to sports betting websites globally. I seriously doubt that anybody is ever going to try to set up a club in a CanPL context to deliberately throw games after strong form had delivered lopsided odds as was rumoured to be what was happening with the Brantford Galaxy, but individual players trying to supplement their income is not at all farfetched: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aird25 Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 14 hours ago, Kent said: Well to be fair, rumors of this sort shouldn't just be swept under the rug. Obviously this board isn't going to prove or disprove anything, but it's not like the CPL is somehow uniquely immune to match fixing. It's actually a great candidate for match fixing. Pretty low profile, and the players and officials aren't paid well which theoretically makes it easier to bribe them. And it's not like we haven't had match fixing scandals in the past in Canada (the provincial CSL, and further back the Merlion Cup, heck even a Toronto Raptor last season, if I remember correctly). Hopefully this is a false rumor or if there is something to it, hopefully it gets stamped out quickly. I don't think any of us are suggesting a blind eye should be turned to potential match fixing, but you take every reddit post claiming match fixing seriously, you're not going to enjoy sports. People claim it constantly about every sport, every league, every tournament, every team, every controversial call, every loss etc. But CPL is a pretty small community, and I haven't seen anyone else talking about this. From what I can tell, it's a "rumor" of 1 random redditor, and it's gotten 0 traction other than Ozzie jumping all over it, which is about the most predictable thing ever. I don't think there's anything to be swept under the rug CDNFootballer, longlugan, Mihairokov and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 16 hours ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said: Not massively important but worth noting that they were sanctioned by the CSA rather than the OSA at the time. True. I just wanted to differentiate that version of the CSL from the league that ran for 6 seasons in the late 80's, early 90's, for anyone that may not be familiar with the match fixing scandal. Unnamed Trialist and narduch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtlMario Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 I would like to see York and Ottawa win the 2 trophies this year. I think it would be a good look for the league having different teams for a change. No disrespect to Forge. Kent and narduch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 1 hour ago, MtlMario said: I would like to see York and Ottawa win the 2 trophies this year. I think it would be a good look for the league having different teams for a change. No disrespect to Forge. I'd be okay with Ottawa. I'd prefer not to waste a trophy on a team that doesn't have any fans anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtlMario Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Kingston said: I'd be okay with Ottawa. I'd prefer not to waste a trophy on a team that doesn't have any fans anyway. I get your point but maybe it will help with being in Champions League? Edited September 3 by MtlMario Kent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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