SpursFlu Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 I think what was clarified during the conversation in the podcast was that the number 16 means they've signed 16 NDAs but that doest mean there are 16 groups at the moment going balls to the wall trying to start a CPL team. I'm not sure what all the excitement is about? Kent, Tigers and Ivan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 19 minutes ago, Aird25 said: Does this make sense to anyone? Nope - he's still implying that Noonan is lying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 17 minutes ago, SpursFlu said: I think what was clarified during the conversation in the podcast was that the number 16 means they've signed 16 NDAs but that doest mean there are 16 groups at the moment going balls to the wall trying to start a CPL team. I'm not sure what all the excitement is about? It's exciting to know that there is interest towards the league but like you said doesn't mean they will all get a team, let alone that they are all quality bids. I expect most to go nowhere. Nello, Kent and CDNFootballer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 21 minutes ago, Aird25 said: Does this make sense to anyone? Do you consider there to be 16 active bids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Are these 16 active bids with us in the room right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Signing an NDA is not a bid. You obviously need a bunch of financial and other information before you'd ever get anywhere close to be awarded or getting serious about owning a CPL franchise. They don't hand that information over to anyone who asks. So there is a vetting process and if they think a group or person checks a few boxes then they sign an NDA agreement and the league starts to talk turkey with them. So 16 creditable people have expressed interest in owning a CPL franchise. That's it, that's all Ivan, gator, HochelagaFC and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kacbru Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 40 minutes ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said: Are these 16 active bids with us in the room right now? If they can't be seen on a grainy 3-minute highlight video, how would you know? narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 hours ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said: The commissioner of the one true holy and apostolic Canadian soccer league has spoken ex cathedra on this matter, so it is now the infallible truth for some people on here. Better than you acting like the all seeing Pantocrator, sitting on your holy seat. But from a living room in London from where you've never ventured to watch a CPL game. Anyways, the commissioner has accountability, you don't. And you don't have critical capacity. So we are just left with eyeballing and conspiracy theories. gator and CDNFootballer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 The bigger story is Noonan aiming for 2 new teams by 2025 and 2 more in 2026. The NDA story doesn't matter as much Trois Reds, Unnamed Trialist, MtlMario and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said: Are these 16 active bids with us in the room right now? At least they've been to a game, have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Yeah, nobody here thinks the NDA count means those are the number of people with access to a viable stadium and the money to say "How much will it take to get started, I'll offer $5 million, is that cool or do you want to make a counter offer?" For all we know 10 of them are presidents of provincial soccer associations asking "What can we do to help bring a (or another) team to my province? And no, I don't have the money to start one myself." And for all we know the other 6 are all from the same city saying "I'll start a team here if you guys can get the government to build a stadium down town." I have no idea why this has been such a talking point, since it's completely unverifiable, impossible to disprove, and also we don't even know what it means to have someone at the NDA step in things. Tigers, narduch and Kingston 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 10 hours ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said: I suggested that he's a salesman which is what he is when expansion is involved. Wouldn't be surprised if he even had a commission percentage written into his contract in that context. The idea that he's in any way comparable to a girl guide selling cookies would be what would be truly patronising. I wasn't comparing him to a girl guide selling cookies. My original comment was a response to your hypothesis that some of the NDAs may have been signed in 2017 and the people involved could have lost interest years ago. I was telling you one thing that the commissioner said on record (that it's the most such NDA's during his tenure, or maybe in league history, I don't remember which) and the only other thing I said was that I heard (but wasn't sure of the source) that it was claimed that all the NDA signers were at the final, to which I said "if true would indicate none of them are groups that lost interest years ago, but are rather still engaged with the league." That caused you to suggest not just that he is a salesman (I know he's a salesman and will try to say things in the most positive way possible), but rather seemed to imply that he is a crooked salesman, the kind who would roll the odometer back on the used cars he sells to commit fraud. You haven't posed any reason for you to believe that he is a fraudulent liar, so I brought up the girl guide thing because you are giving me vibes that you are someone who thinks everyone is lying all the time, and/or out to get you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 7 hours ago, Watchmen said: Without wanting to add to one narrative too much, AFTN's podcast yesterday discussed the "16 NDAs". They reached out to someone behind the scenes at the CPL, who sort of said that was news to them. So, it sounds like that number may have been exaggerated by Noonan. https://aftn.ca/episode-585-the-aftn-soccer-show/ it is quite common to sign an NDA with someone and one of the clauses is that you cannot disclose the fact there is an NDA between the parties. Quite frequently, these are held tightly in companies legal departments and only people that need to know, know about them. red card 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 You don't need to look too hard to find people who were conflating the existence of previously signed NDAs with currently active bids to invest in expansion teams: No idea to what extent Mark Noonan led people down that particular garden path because I haven't found time to listen to his speech yet, but if this graphic is anything to go by other potential weasel wordings he may have used revolve around people missing the significance of "aiming" and "update" and assuming points two and three in the graphic above are referring to something concrete that is just around the corner rather than to ambitious aspirational goals. We know the 777 group were kicking the tires where York United are concerned so what happens around the end of November will be of interest in that context. If anything has come out of that we should know the outcome very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 14 hours ago, narduch said: The bigger story is Noonan aiming for 2 new teams by 2025 and 2 more in 2026. I'm happy to hear there is some level of interest out there. At this point, I'm going to wait until I hear more solid details about specific bids before I get too excited. Not too long ago, the league was aiming to have 16 teams by 2026 and be looking at splitting into two divisions. Again, I'm happy to hear about interest but I'd like to hear about more than just what someone is aiming at. Watchmen, johnyb and Kent 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 8 minutes ago, Kingston said: I'm happy to hear there is some level of interest out there. At this point, I'm going to wait until I hear more solid details about specific bids before I get too excited. Not too long ago, the league was aiming to have 16 teams by 2026 and be looking at splitting into two divisions. Again, I'm happy to hear about interest but I'd like to hear about more than just what someone is aiming at. 12 teams by the start of 2026 would be pretty amazing in my opinion Ivan, Ansem, Kingston and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 ^. That would be insane. Not sure how I feel about that though. Finishing 8th feels bad enough. Really curious about York. Round about way but have been getting a positive vibe about things there. Hope, hope, hope. MtlMario and narduch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Yeah, the countdown on a York update is already down to 25 days, though I'm not sure the league realizes the "30 days" is a variable that counts down, rather than a constant set to 30 to stay there until they choose to change it. K Edgar and narduch 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtlMario Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Kent said: Yeah, the countdown on a York update is already down to 25 days, though I'm not sure the league realizes the "30 days" is a variable that counts down, rather than a constant set to 30 to stay there until they choose to change it. He also did not mention if it's 30 WORKING or calender days .😁 Kent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 10 hours ago, MtlMario said: He also did not mention if it's 30 WORKING or calender days .😁 Ha, "I meant 30 working days, and started the offseason 2 days after I said 30 days. See you in April" MtlMario 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fil Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Kent said: Ha, "I meant 30 working days, and started the offseason 2 days after I said 30 days. See you in April" York announcement on April 1st!? I hope not! Kent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 On 10/31/2023 at 3:17 PM, jonovision said: Who is this Alexis character, and should we care? I don't know his background, but he is the guy on some soccer talk show that I think is on CBS Sports that has been talking up CPL recently. So an American guy, on an American network, and he has had segments a couple minutes long talking about the U21 rule, the playoff format, hyping up the final, and various teams from the league have been sending him and the rest of the pundits jerseys that have been featured on the show. It was shortly after this show started talking about CPL (and getting some love online from CPL fans) that Sportsnet started showing highlights of playoff games, but of course we don't know if those 2 things are related. gator 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigi riva Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Move York to Kitchener Waterloo, K Edgar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 (edited) ...or London where I no longer live but plan to retire to again in the ever closer not too distant future. If they adjusted their expectations on stadia and downsized their economic model somewhat I doubt there would be a huge impact on playing standards but their expansion possibilities would increase markedly from coast to coast. Not so easy to charge $10 million for an expansion fee at that point though but it would be a lot more in tune with an independent club model. Edited November 2, 2023 by Ozzie_the_parrot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longlugan Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 26 minutes ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said: ...or London where I no longer live but plan to retire to again in the ever closer not too distant future. If they adjusted their expectations on stadia and downsized their economic model somewhat I doubt there would be a huge impact on playing standards but their expansion possibilities would increase markedly from coast to coast. Not so easy to charge $10 million for an expansion fee at that point though but it would be a lot more in tune with an independent club model. You still wouldn't go to a game you fucktard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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