Gopherbashi Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Are we talking "loaned to play in MLS" or "loaned to an MLS team who promptly sent them to USL"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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matty Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Gopherbashi said: Are we talking "loaned to play in MLS" or "loaned to an MLS team who promptly sent them to USL"? Loaned to play in MLS. I think the only time a loan to MLS included a USL stint was Martinez in Columbus last year and that was after he made 3 appearances with Columbus before being sent to Pittsburgh. Gonna make a detailed list from 2012-17 Edited August 10, 2017 by matty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) Here's a list with details based on Wikipedia. Not including loans from Liga MX or USL to MLS. CONCACAF only. Might be missing some It does seem a few have involved USL loans but it is the minority 2012 - Mario Martínez loaned from Real España (Hon) to Seattle Sounders for 2012-13. Played 13 games - Chris Klute loaned from Atlanta Silverbacks (NASL) to Colorado Rapids for 2012-13. Played 18 games before joining club full time in 2013. 2013 - Marcos Sánchez loaned from Tauro (Pan) to DC United. Played 9 games - Alvas Powell loaned from Portmore United (Jam) to Portland Timbers for 2013-14. Played 20 games, scored 2 goals, loaned down to USL in 2014, joined club full time in 2015. - Mark Bloom loaned from Atlanta Silverbacks (NASL) to Toronto FC. Played 6 games, joined club full time. 2014 -Brian Brown loaned from Harbour View (Jam) to Philadelphia Union. Played 8 games, scored 2 goals 2015 - Deybi Flores loaned from Motagua (Hon) to Vancouver Whitecaps. Played 9 games, loaned to USL, joined club full time - Daneil Cyrus loaned from W Connection (TnT) to Chicago Fire. Played 4 games - Jordan Smith loaned from Saprissa (CR) to Vancouver Whitecaps for 2015-16. Played 24 games - John Smits loaned from FC Edmonton (NASL) to Montreal Impact. Did not play 2016 -Cristian Martínez loaned from Chorrillo (Pan) to Columbus Crew. Played 5 games, scored a goal, loaned to USL, joined club full time. -Keyner Brown loaned from Herediano (CR) to Houston Dynamo. Played 4 games -Armando Cooper loaned from Árabe Unido (Pan) to Toronto FC. Played 6 games, joined club full time. - José Escalante loaned from Olimpia (Hon) to Houston Dynamo. Played 5 games, did a USL stint. ACTIVE STILL 2017 (active) - Michael Amir Murillo loaned from San Francisco (Pan) to NYRB. Played 8 games, scored a goal has been loaned to RB2. - Fidel Escobar loaned from Sporting San Miguelito (Pan) to NYRB. Has not played - José Guillermo Ortiz loaned from Herediano (CR) to DC United. Has played 16 games, scored a goal - Miguel Camargo loaned from Chorrillo (Pan) to NYCFC. Played 8 games, scored a goal Providers Panama - 6 Costa Rica - 3 NASL - 3 Honduras - 3 Jamaica - 2 Trinidad and Tobago - 1 Joined Full Time - 6/18 Total MLS games - 163 Loaned to USL as well - 5 Edited August 10, 2017 by matty Ansem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycoyster Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 1 hour ago, matty said: Providers Panama - 6 Costa Rica - 3 NASL - 3 Honduras - 3 Jamaica - 2 Trinidad and Tobago - 1 Joined Full Time - 6/18 Total MLS games - 163 Loaned to USL as well - 5 How many of those were loans with options to buy? Because those cases are more "we'll buy them but we want a return policy" than loans. grasshopper1917 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rheo Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Edmonton FC GM Jay Ball had a handful of interesting tweets last night talking about transfer fees and the influence the CPL will have. It's under the tweets and replies banner since it was a question to him https://twitter.com/JayBallYeg ironcub14 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rheo Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Also Kurt Larson from the Toronto Sun has started a podcast. Rollins is on the first ep and the CPL is discussed. I haven't listened though. http://www.torontosun.com/2017/08/10/kurt-larson-podcast-toronto-fc-canadian-soccer-and-more ironcub14 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatest Cockney Rip Off Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 36 minutes ago, Rheo said: Also Kurt Larson from the Toronto Sun has started a podcast. Rollins is on the first ep and the CPL is discussed. I haven't listened though. http://www.torontosun.com/2017/08/10/kurt-larson-podcast-toronto-fc-canadian-soccer-and-more I couldn't imagine a worse thing to listen to. NVsoccer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rheo Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, Greatest Cockney Rip Off said: I couldn't imagine a worse thing to listen to. To each their own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironcub14 Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) You guys literally had two pages worth of an argument about whether CPL clubs would loan players to MLS or not? Go host a Canadian soccer trivia night or something lol For real, put in a team here or something ha https://www.facebook.com/events/150530828856506/ Edited August 10, 2017 by ironcub14 ted 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 3 hours ago, Rheo said: Edmonton FC GM Jay Ball had a handful of interesting tweets last night talking about transfer fees and the influence the CPL will have. It's under the tweets and replies banner since it was a question to him https://twitter.com/JayBallYeg WTF, it seems like you can't view the "Tweets and Replies" section anymore unless you are signed in to an account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 3 hours ago, Rheo said: Also Kurt Larson from the Toronto Sun has started a podcast. Rollins is on the first ep and the CPL is discussed. I haven't listened though. http://www.torontosun.com/2017/08/10/kurt-larson-podcast-toronto-fc-canadian-soccer-and-more Good on Larson to admit that CPL allowing MLS B squad would have been a big mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Complete Homer Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ansem said: Good on Larson to admit that CPL allowing MLS B squad would have been a big mistake. Haven't listened yet, but that would be a pretty sharp turn from his earlier position. There's hope for him yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rheo Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, Ansem said: Good on Larson to admit that CPL allowing MLS B squad would have been a big mistake. Damn spoilers. I said I haven't listened yet lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Just now, Rheo said: Damn spoilers. I said I haven't listened yet lol lol I was about to post short list of things that was discussed. CPL talks starts at the 31 minute mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) Spoilers**** Kurt Larson points out that CPL must avoid becoming the league who accepts MLS players who were cut. My wrestling analogy to this, don't be the TNA to WWE...Be ROH (Ring of Honor) or Old ECW (with better management) Edited August 10, 2017 by Ansem Bison44 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 *****Spoilers 3 things that caught my attention: Number of internationals being discussed/planned/pitched is 10 Duane Rollins replied to Kurt Larson question on quality of play. Brands it "MLS 1.0". Adds that current MLS (2.0) took 20 years. He doubts CPL takes 20 years as well to reach that point Theory about why CPL won't use mainstream media. Independent journalists are more likely to hype CPL and keep hyping it while mainstream media is more likely to downplay/pour some water on the hype. If that's the case, it's a smart approach by the league until their official press conference ironcub14 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisinOrleans Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ansem said: Spoilers**** Kurt Larson points out that CPL must avoid becoming the league who accepts MLS players who were cut. My wrestling analogy to this, don't be the TNA to WWE...Be ROH (Ring of Honor) or Old ECW (with better management) Okay, that’s cool and all, but Canada has a LOT of quality players that were at one point MLS journeymen. For example (they’re all French-Canadian examples, sorry): Zakarria Messoudi (Odds BK), Karl Ouimette (San Fran Deltas), Maxim Tissot (San Fran Deltas), Jérémy Gagnon-Laparé (AS Vitré), Aron Mkungilwa (Ottawa Fury), etc... All played for the Impact or their academy, and were cut. These guys are all doing well, are eligible for national team rotation and have club careers. All of them are better players than anyone in the PLSQ or L1O (having never seen an L1O game, I’m just assuming the two semi-pro leagues are comparable). If we’re excluding them, who are we including? dyslexic nam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 I am tabling a motion that there be no more pro wrestling analogies.Seriously, watching that "sport" will make you stupid. ChrisinOrleans 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 11 hours ago, harrycoyster said: How many of those were loans with options to buy? Because those cases are more "we'll buy them but we want a return policy" than loans. Don't have that info but I do suspect it's a good amount as buys have happened almost 1/3 of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Just now, dyslexic nam said: I am tabling a motion that there be no more pro wrestling analogies.Seriously, watching that "sport" will make you stupid. I used to be a fan lol, but fair enough. Couldn't think of anything else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 12 minutes ago, Ansem said: Spoilers**** Kurt Larson points out that CPL must avoid becoming the league who accepts MLS players who were cut. In the long term I agree with this, but guys who are just below MLS will be clear candidates for early CPL rosters. I use the example of someone like Bekker. Deemed surplus at Montreal, now playing for SF Deltas, and has the kind of quality required to make early CPL a really enjoyable league to watch. To me, there is nothing wrong with CPL grabbing that kind of Canadian content - especially at the outset when the challenge will be to populate a whole pro league (up to the quota) with domestic talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, ChrisinOrleans said: Okay, that’s cool and all, but Canada has a LOT of quality players that were at one point MLS journeymen. For example (they’re all French-Canadian examples, sorry): Zakarria Messoudi (Odds BK), Karl Ouimette (San Fran Deltas), Maxim Tissot (San Fran Deltas), Jérémy Gagnon-Laparé (AS Vitré), Aron Mkungilwa (Ottawa Fury), etc... All played for the Impact or their academy, and were cut. These guys are all doing well, are eligible for national team rotation and have club careers. All of them are better players than anyone in the PLSQ or L1O (having never seen an L1O game, I’m just assuming the two semi-pro leagues are comparable). If we’re excluding them, who are we including? I hear you. Safe to say that trying to convince/buy/rent Canadians playing in D1 and D2 leagues around the world would be step 1. (Paul Beirne in the Q&A in Halifax said the league would deem D3 too low) Step 2 MLS journeymen as you say who would be bought/loaned (still playing in MLS like Osorio) Step 3 Buy/ Loan NASL/USL players and those who were cut from MLS (Like Bekker-Tissot-Hamilton) Step 4 D3 (PLSQ-L1O) -->players ready for the next level only and those who got cut (Q.Roberts) Just an assumption...Question is, how far down the steps will they need to go to fill their rosters? ***Reminder that the number of internationals being thrown according to Rollins is now 10. The majority of those 10 internationals would be your starters a majority of the time and being subbed in most of the time too Edited August 10, 2017 by Ansem ChrisinOrleans 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisinOrleans Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 17 minutes ago, Ansem said: I hear you. Safe to say that trying to convince/buy/rent Canadians playing in D1 and D2 leagues around the world would be step 1. (Paul Beirne in the Q&A in Halifax said the league would deem D3 too low) Step 2 MLS journeymen as you say who would be bought/loaned (still playing in MLS like Osorio) Step 3 Buy/ Loan NASL/USL players and those who were cut from MLS (Like Bekker-Tissot-Hamilton) Step 4 D3 (PLSQ-L1O) -->players ready for the next level only and those who got cut (Q.Roberts) Just an assumption...Question is, how far down the steps will they need to go to fill their rosters? ***Reminder that the number of internationals being thrown according to Rollins is now 10. The majority of those 10 internationals would be your starters a majority of the time and being subbed in most of the time too Alright, so if D1 and D2 is the cut-off (if D3 is too low) then the available player pool from the province of Québec eligible to play in CanPL would be: Karl Ouimette, Maxim Tissot, Zakkaria Messoudi (Odds is Norwegian D1), Olivier Occéan, Patrice Bernier, Samuel Piette, David Chonière, Wandrille Lefèvre, Anthony Jackson-Hamel, Maxime Crépeau and Louis Béland-Goyette. Most of those are not going to leave IMFC, so that reduces the availability of a few. Those that are excluded are André Hainault (German D3), Jon Bealieu-Borgault (German D3 and PLSQ), Jérémy Gagnon-Laparé (French D3), Phillipe Davies (PLSQ after NASL), and Haidar Al-Shabani (French D4). That seems like bizarre logic to me, given that three weeks ago Samuel Piette was in the Spanish 3rd division and on the national team, yet Wandoo hasn't played a game in months but would be given preference over Piette? Messoudi has played like 4 games for Odds BK in the Norwegian top flight, and would be given a shot in CanPL over Hainault - an experienced MNT veteran - because of a D1 status? Am I off base in this assumption? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 32 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said: I am tabling a motion that there be no more pro wrestling analogies.Seriously, watching that "sport" will make you stupid. Can we make references to new Japan? Ansem and Rheo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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