Big_M Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 yup and his team has a single loss when he scores or assists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_M Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 interesting comments by former hfx player eriks santos...this a few days after marsch said there has to be more opportunities for 16-19 year olds...lots of different opinions out there Eriks Santos: CPL Players Are Too Young narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 I think they need more teams to create diverse opportunities. 8 rosters ain't enough because the league needs to create interest and compete. I'm not spending money to watch a bunch of teenagers play narduch, Kent and sebdeserio 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 1 hour ago, Big_M said: interesting comments by former hfx player eriks santos...this a few days after marsch said there has to be more opportunities for 16-19 year olds...lots of different opinions out there Eriks Santos: CPL Players Are Too Young It's a development league. They should be playing more 16-19 years olds. That's where the sale value is, as well as it being a critical time for elite player development. Mihairokov 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 (edited) Here's the relevant quote from the Brazilian player: “The players in Canada are all too young, somewhere from 19 to 25 years old, they lack experience,” reflected Santos. “If you are 27-28 years old, you will be too old for this league.” Three separate points. The players in Canada are 19-25 years old which is too young. In no league in the world are 22-25 year olds considered too young. Those are players entering their prime performance years. In the case of Halifax, they aren't giving many minutes to anyone younger than that. They lack experience. Yes, many of them do. That is kind of the point of this league. If you are 27-28 years old you are too old for this league. Sort of, yes. Teams should not be spending big money on 27-28 year olds who are not difference-makers, and if you are making around the league minimum at 28 years old, you need to look out for your own interests and move on to a more lucrative gig or retire. Edited July 17 by jonovision johnyb, Ivan, nolando and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 8 hours ago, Watchmen said: It's a development league. They should be playing more 16-19 years olds. That's where the sale value is, as well as it being a critical time for elite player development. Understand what's being driven at, regarding a development league but as a blanket statement, "should be playing more 16-19 year olds", I for one call Bullshit. Yes, with a capital "B". Coddling kids does not make them better players. If the leagues best quality, and most limited ceiling, is found in players who some have type-cast as being "career journeymen" I say let those 16 - 19 year old kids displace those career journeymen based on their own merit and less so on future speculation. Or not. And I don't care if that journeymen is 23 or 24 or 28. Earn your playing time. Lowering the competitive quality of a league to chase the Next Big Thing is false value. Yes, yes. It's not that black and white because perseption and value of investment is not so black & white either. That's sports. However... A 24 year old who the Vancouver Whitecaps considered one of those "career journeyman" signed a multimillion dollar transfer into the French top flight THIS WEEK. Just saying. Aird25, Kent and rkomar 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 12 hours ago, Watchmen said: It's a development league... Is it? They clearly regard themselves as Canada's D1 and have wanted 8000 seats in an expandable format and pushing $10 million as an expansion fee from new entrants by all accounts. I strongly suspect the U-21 minutes stuff was implemented because people like Oliver Gage and James Easton convinced CSB investors who know next to nothing about soccer that there was money to be made that way rather than because there's a deep philosophical commitment to providing a player development platform as a stepping stone to other leagues like MLS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aird25 Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 5 hours ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said: Is it? They clearly regard themselves as Canada's D1 and have wanted 8000 seats in an expandable format and pushing $10 million as an expansion fee from new entrants by all accounts. I strongly suspect the U-21 minutes stuff was implemented because people like Oliver Gage and James Easton convinced CSB investors who know next to nothing about soccer that there was money to be made that way rather than because there's a deep philosophical commitment to providing a player development platform as a stepping stone to other leagues like MLS. You realize Josh Simpson and Rob Friend are CSB investors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 ^^^this guy's posts are beyond laughable at times when it comes to basic English language comprehension skills, but it's worth noting by way of a fact check that the main investor in Pacific FC and Vancouver FC in financial terms is actually Dean Shillington rather than Josh Simpson and Rob Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said: ^^^this guy's posts are beyond laughable at times when it comes to basic English language comprehension skills, but it's worth noting by way of a fact check that the main investor in Pacific FC and Vancouver FC in financial terms is actually Dean Shillington rather than Josh Simpson and Rob Friend. 1st of all, no need to be a fucking dick 2nd - even as minority investors, they are investors nonetheless. Edited July 18 by Ansem Aird25, longlugan, johnyb and 4 others 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aird25 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 The Mexican system is so well established and ingrained. I don't know that we can dream of intruding on it, but it's interesting to see an attempt. They're renowned for not moving players on. The league has very good salaries. sebdeserio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 100% agree with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aird25 Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 3 hours ago, Ansem said: 100% agree with this With Marsch' statement, or with the discussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 2 minutes ago, Aird25 said: With Marsch' statement, or with the discussion? Both! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillOnFire Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 Just a general thought... standard of football in the CanPL gets better season on season. Hopefuly this trend continues. It's great talented footballers have a place to go and get a second chance if things don't work out elsewhere. Hopefuly the league will be a continue growing in the long term. Cheeta and rkomar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 5 minutes ago, StillOnFire said: Just a general thought... standard of football in the CanPL gets better season on season. Hopefuly this trend continues. It's great talented footballers have a place to go and get a second chance if things don't work out elsewhere. Hopefuly the league will be a continue growing in the long term. There are two ways that the CPL can provide useful second chances. The first is for players who are still young but somehow just didn't catch on elsewhere. They can spend a season or two in the CPL, get noticed again, and move on. The second is for players like, say, Kyle Bekker who, for whatever reason, never caught on elsewhere and are now too old for higher level teams to be interested. They can still earn a paycheque playing soccer and, more importantly for Canadian soccer development, they can help mentor younger players. StillOnFire, cronaldo7 and CDNFootballer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aird25 Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 12 minutes ago, Kingston said: There are two ways that the CPL can provide useful second chances. The first is for players who are still young but somehow just didn't catch on elsewhere. They can spend a season or two in the CPL, get noticed again, and move on. The second is for players like, say, Kyle Bekker who, for whatever reason, never caught on elsewhere and are now too old for higher level teams to be interested. They can still earn a paycheque playing soccer and, more importantly for Canadian soccer development, they can help mentor younger players. I'm pretty sure Bekker made more appearances in MLS than half of the players currently getting called up from that league StillOnFire and narduch 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 7 minutes ago, Aird25 said: I'm pretty sure Bekker made more appearances in MLS than half of the players currently getting called up from that league And he earned 18 caps with the national team during that time with his first cap coinciding with his first year in MLS, so he also got called up very early in his MLS career. I don't know why his trajectory maxed out after his stint with Montreal instead of being one of the guys to continue to move upward, but he's now doing very well in the CPL and helping mentor the next generation of young players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 (edited) 43 minutes ago, StillOnFire said: Just a general thought... standard of football in the CanPL gets better season on season... Does it? To take one club as an example who on the Cavalry this year has the quality of Malonga, Escalante or Mason from seasons past? Who on their roster do you think is the next Waterman, Zator, Farsi or Loturi to get the big move elsewhere as a domestic player and be taken seriously in CMNT selection terms? Atletico Ottawa appear to be the quality of the league this season but put a couple of young guys in there to rack up those U21 minutes against the Valour and they looked nothing special yesterday even with Didic, Tabla, Aparicio and Twardek out there, who they somehow managed to shoehorn into their roster despite the salary cap. Not sure they are getting the same bang for their buck that the Cavalry were getting from the aforementioned players in seasons past Edited July 22 by Ozzie_the_parrot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 34 minutes ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said: Does it? To take one club as an example who on the Cavalry this year has the quality of Malonga, Escalante or Mason from seasons past? Who on their roster do you think is the next Waterman, Zator, Farsi or Loturi to get the big move elsewhere as a domestic player and be taken seriously in CMNT selection terms? Atletico Ottawa appear to be the quality of the league this season but put a couple of young guys in there to rack up those U21 minutes against the Valour and they looked nothing special yesterday even with Didic, Tabla, Aparicio and Twardek out there, who they somehow managed to shoehorn into their roster despite the salary cap. Not sure they are getting the same bang for their buck that the Cavalry were getting from the aforementioned players in seasons past Should we start a thread : Questionning Montreal's elimination + Toronto FC & Vancouver Whitecaps losing games to CPL while we're at it? narduch, StillOnFire and Cheeta 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 (edited) Yeah but those examples of Calgary not being as good this year make a good counter argument. 😉 Edited July 23 by Bison44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkomar Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 I think a lot of the raising of the standard of play is down to the coaches and training staff learning over the years the best way to run a team. Even without any diamonds among the players, the CPL is improving the practical side of playing in this country. We need this as much as finding and nurturing excellent players. Kingston and Bison44 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 1 hour ago, Bison44 said: Yeah but those examples of Calgary not being as good this year make a good counter argument. Not having a viable replacement for Bevan, Joe Mason and Musse will undeniably leave a mark. They can't score but they still play very good football. I don't think his argument holds Bison44 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 1 hour ago, Ansem said: Should we start a thread : Questionning Montreal's elimination + Toronto FC & Vancouver Whitecaps losing games to CPL while we're at it? We've also talked about how the quality of the MLS sides seems down this year, not to mention that Halifax lost to a L1 side and Pacific probably should have as well. More than one thing can be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 1 hour ago, Watchmen said: We've also talked about how the quality of the MLS sides seems down this year, not to mention that Halifax lost to a L1 side and Pacific probably should have as well. More than one thing can be true. One gets beat over 2 legs and the others having close games at over 10 times+ the salary cap. Agree to disagree that CPL overall level is down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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