matty Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 3 hours ago, deschamp86 said: How about making the Nations League and the WCQ the same thing? 3 tiers play every year with pro/rel. The year before the World Cup, the teams that lead in points for the top tier go to the World Cup It's likely to be 4 tier and will likely factor into WCQ and GCQ but the main goal is to get teams playing soccer Red and White and deschamp86 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackjack15 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 What's the earliest date that the CONCACAF Nations League would get announced if they go through with it? Mike Thompson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Blackjack15 said: What's the earliest date that the CONCACAF Nations League would get announced if they go through with it? IIRC Late October was floated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 For comparison, UEFA are finalising the UEFA Nations League regulations on 20 September. Blackjack15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSoccerFan Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share Posted September 9, 2017 On 9/8/2017 at 7:23 AM, deschamp86 said: How about making the Nations League and the WCQ the same thing? 3 tiers play every year with pro/rel. The year before the World Cup, the teams that lead in points for the top tier go to the World Cup Not a bad idea. Would also eliminate any of the issues of seeding and unbalanced groups for WCQ because it would all be sorted out on the pitch. No more stressing over the draw or whining about the FIFA rankings. It could also be used for Copa America qualifying (likely to happen again in 2020). In terms of what will actually happen, Vic told Grant Wahl a while back that the USA v MEX game would not be taken away from qualifying which basically means it will remain a single table. I suspect it will just be expanded to 10 teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 wondering if irma and jose are going to delay the nations league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSoccerFan Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share Posted September 9, 2017 On 9/8/2017 at 7:23 AM, deschamp86 said: How about making the Nations League and the WCQ the same thing? 3 tiers play every year with pro/rel. The year before the World Cup, the teams that lead in points for the top tier go to the World Cup Looking back at an earlier article this might be exactly what will happen. The format, Montagliani said, will have the member associations split into several leagues, according to their strength, with promotion and relegations at the end of the four-year cycle. He added that the League of Nations rankings would then determine which teams qualify for the World Cup and Gold Cup. Although the competition will almost certainly mean fewer friendlies, Montagliani stressed that there would still be room in the international calendar for countries to arrange games should they wish. “The format was passed by our competitions committee and we need to go a couple of more steps and then hopefully we’ll be in a position to unveil it by the end of the year,” Montagliani said. “It will give countries that may have a harder time getting friendlies more competitive matches. What we’re hoping is for a country like Bermuda to have in the 30 to 36 range over a four-year cycle.” The League of Nations has been met with an overwhelmingly positive response from the member associations, Montagliani said, although the financial aspect of the idea is still to be finalised. “It’s a long-term plan and if we can execute it we will,” Montagliani added. “It still has a little bit of a way to go. We still have to work out the commercial and business side of things.” http://www.royalgazette.com/soccer/article/20170425/bermuda-set-to-gain-from-league-of-nations johnyb and deschamp86 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 If they are going to use the nations league as part of WCQ, I think they will need a potential path for the teams in the lower leagues/divisions to qualify somehow. I don't know what that would look like, but I think it would stink a bit if half the teams (or however many it would be) would have no shot at making the World Cup because they don't have time to get promoted to the top division and then qualify during the cycle. Red and White and matty 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 19 minutes ago, Kent said: If they are going to use the nations league as part of WCQ, I think they will need a potential path for the teams in the lower leagues/divisions to qualify somehow. I don't know what that would look like, but I think it would stink a bit if half the teams (or however many it would be) would have no shot at making the World Cup because they don't have time to get promoted to the top division and then qualify during the cycle. It'll will have a much bigger impact on GCQ than WCQ from what Ive been told. It will likely replace GCQ but simply decide groups for WCQ. Gopherbashi and Kent 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 4 hours ago, matty said: It'll will have a much bigger impact on GCQ than WCQ from what Ive been told. It will likely replace GCQ but simply decide groups for WCQ. This I would be fine with. Effectively neutering FIFA rankings because we have a league table to rank everybody. CanadianSoccerFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deschamp86 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 19 hours ago, Kent said: If they are going to use the nations league as part of WCQ, I think they will need a potential path for the teams in the lower leagues/divisions to qualify somehow. I don't know what that would look like, but I think it would stink a bit if half the teams (or however many it would be) would have no shot at making the World Cup because they don't have time to get promoted to the top division and then qualify during the cycle. If there are three or four tiers, there would be enough time to make it from the bottom tier to the top tier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, deschamp86 said: If there are three or four tiers, there would be enough time to make it from the bottom tier to the top tier There will likely be more than 3 tiers as CONCACAF has 41 teams. Also I don't think the plan is to do it yearly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deschamp86 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Just now, matty said: There will likely be more than 3 tiers as CONCACAF has 41 teams. Also I don't think the plan is to do it yearly You can split the tiers though. Tier 1 - 6 teams Tier 2A/B - 12 teams Tier 3A/B/C/D - 23 teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 UEFA will have 4 tiers: League A, League B, League C and League D 12 teams in A and B and I think 16 teams in C and D. Each league is divided into groups of 4. Group winners play a semi final and from there the final. Bottom 4 teams relegated. Top 4 in League B promote. Gonna be used for UEFA 2020 qualifying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Just now, deschamp86 said: You can split the tiers though. Tier 1 - 6 teams Tier 2A/B - 12 teams Tier 3A/B/C/D - 23 teams Yea not likely gonna be the case. Its likely gonna be closer to UEFA's version. Also it'll be used to decide the 16 team Gold Cup likely. Maybe Tier A - 2 groups 3 teams - 6 Teams Tier B - 2 groups 5 teams - 16 Teams Tier C - 2 groups 5 teams - 26 Teams Tier D - 4 groups 4 teams (1 of 3) - 41 Teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) I think ours will be single table. Perhaps League A and B will have 8 each, with C and D have 12 and 13 respectively. 8 teams is a good amount for League A and B, because that would be 14 match days over a two year period, giving room for friendlies. I assume that would be his it's cycled. Every 2 years. That looks to be what UEFA will do. Edited September 11, 2017 by Obinna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deschamp86 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, matty said: Yea not likely gonna be the case. Its likely gonna be closer to UEFA's version. Also it'll be used to decide the 16 team Gold Cup likely. Maybe Tier A - 2 groups 3 teams - 6 Teams Tier B - 2 groups 5 teams - 16 Teams Tier C - 2 groups 5 teams - 26 Teams Tier D - 4 groups 4 teams (1 of 3) - 41 Teams Wasn't trying to replicate what it would exactly look like. Was giving an example of how it could be split Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Just now, deschamp86 said: Wasn't trying to replicate what it would exactly look like. Was giving an example of how it could be split I know. No one knows how it will. I was just explaining the a 3 tier system doesn't work with your pitch or likely any pitch and then listed a maybe system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, Obinna said: I think ours will be single table. Perhaps League A and B will have 8 each, with C and D have 12 and 13 respectively. 8 teams is a good amount for League A and B, because that would be 14 match days over a two year period, giving room for friendlies. I assume that would be his it's cycled. Every 2 years. That looks to be what UEFA will do. My understanding is they'll be spilt but I think you're right on cycling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Just now, matty said: My understanding is they'll be spilt but I think you're right on cycling I think I read something about ensuring Mexico and USA are able to still face each other. I thought perhaps that was a sign it be single table. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Just now, Obinna said: I think I read something about ensuring Mexico and USA are able to still face each other. I thought perhaps that was a sign it be single table. Thoughts? i read that too but have since come to assume there will be some room for friendlies and of course play-offs. When I was researching an article on the league, reps from FAs (3 Caribbean and 1 Central American) said it was a way to get 6-8 games for everyone over a year so I took that to mean we'd see grouped tiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 54 minutes ago, Obinna said: UEFA will have 4 tiers: League A, League B, League C and League D 12 teams in A and B and I think 16 teams in C and D. Each league is divided into groups of 4. Group winners play a semi final and from there the final. Bottom 4 teams relegated. Top 4 in League B promote. Gonna be used for UEFA 2020 qualifying its going to be used for part of Uefa qualifying. Only the winners of each division will qualify if hey haven't qualified through the regular qualification campaign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, canta15 said: its going to be used for part of Uefa qualifying. Only the winners of each division will qualify if hey haven't qualified through the regular qualification campaign It'll be nice to see Luxembourg in the Euros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 9 minutes ago, matty said: i read that too but have since come to assume there will be some room for friendlies and of course play-offs. When I was researching an article on the league, reps from FAs (3 Caribbean and 1 Central American) said it was a way to get 6-8 games for everyone over a year so I took that to mean we'd see grouped tiers. Interesting. I guess they could ensure 6 games in League A with two groups of four, but the simplest way to ensure Mexico and USA play each other would be a single table. I think this, with no play offs, would be far more interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 17 minutes ago, canta15 said: its going to be used for part of Uefa qualifying. Only the winners of each division will qualify if hey haven't qualified through the regular qualification campaign Oh so that's how it will work. That will be interesting to see. Btw when I said UEFA 2020 I meant Euro 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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