Approve My Account Pls Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Tyler55 said: Taxi squad does make sense he would be in a camp, and he doesn't want to get cap-tied. Logical for all parties. Could be a bigger W than being in Camp Poutine, guarantees he gets exposed to our big dawgs Tyler55 and Xavier. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler55 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Approve My Account Pls said: Could be a bigger W than being in Camp Poutine, guarantees he gets exposed to our big dawgs That's a great point, I saw something on twitter today that said Canada is trying to get him to wcq camp, although these Mexican media sources do tend to be unreliable sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, Tyler55 said: That's a great point, I saw something on twitter today that said Canada is trying to get him to wcq camp, although these Mexican media sources do tend to be unreliable sometimes. El Tri fear porn. Xavier. and Ol'Bill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 (edited) He’s obviously talented but all this hype and drama around a u18 academy player is too much. As it stands the kid can’t even get into Arsenal u23s let alone the first team. For us I guess it’s kinda been the norm for years but for Mexico it’s embarrassing. Edited January 7, 2022 by CanadaFan123 Obinna and spitfire 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floortom Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Just now, CanadaFan123 said: He’s obviously talented but all this hype and drama around a u18 academy player is too much. As it stands the kid can’t even get into Arsenal u23s let alone the first team. I generally agree that the fuss is a bit much but he did play 20 mins for the Arsenal U23s today and I wonder if he’ll be sticking there for the rest of the season. Unnamed Trialist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Floortom said: I generally agree that the fuss is a bit much but he did play 20 mins for the Arsenal U23s today and I wonder if he’ll be sticking there for the rest of the season. I saw that but wondering about their covid cases. A lot of players around the world have been getting opportunities this past week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier. Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Pretty sure the plan was for him to move up to the u23s for the second half of the season. He has been so dominant on the u18s, he has no business playing that level anymore. An Observer and baulderdash77 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 He is incredibly talented. I think Arsenal has just been protecting him as he is small and slight. I suspect he will play U23s the second half and if he continues to do well, I think next football season you will see him in the first team or on loan. Bertuzzi44 and Xavier. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baulderdash77 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Flores is one of Arsenal’s prized and best prospects. He was the best player on their U18’s and is now ready for the U23’s. He has the potential to be in the Premier League regular in about 2 years if he can keep progressing so rapidly. There’s a good reason why both Canada and Mexico want him in their programs. By 2026 he could be one of the better players in either programs. Bertuzzi44, king1010, An Observer and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floortom Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 He was back with the U18s today and played the full 90 vs Tottenham johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, baulderdash77 said: Flores is one of Arsenal’s prized and best prospects. He was the best player on their U18’s and is now ready for the U23’s. He has the potential to be in the Premier League regular in about 2 years if he can keep progressing so rapidly. There’s a good reason why both Canada and Mexico want him in their programs. By 2026 he could be one of the better players in either programs. Just curious, why do you say he is their best player, on Arsenal u-18? He has scored 6 in ten matches, but half were in the first game in August. He hasn't scored since October. And he's not their leading scorer despite often lining up in the striker role (or as an attacking mid). He just made his first appearance in the PL2 side, while a few more of the u18s have been up and played there as well. I have no basis to argue, but just wonder what your basis is to state that. Do you watch them? I just feel all this "he's dominant", "they are protecting him", "he's the best player", it does not add up. BTW, Arsenal is in 5th in the southern division of u-18, which is split into two groups. You can't say he's outgrown the level when the team is not even dominating their division. Edited January 8, 2022 by Unnamed Trialist Ivan, El Hombre, HochelagaFC and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floortom Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 28 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said: Just curious, why do you say he is their best player, on Arsenal u-18? He has scored 6 in ten matches, but half were in the first game in August. He hasn't scored since October. And he's not their leading scorer despite often lining up in the striker role (or as an attacking mid). He just made his first appearance in the PL2 side, while a few more of the u18s have been up and played there as well. I have no basis to argue, but just wonder what your basis is to state that. Do you watch them? I just feel all this "he's dominant", "they are protecting him", "he's the best player", it does not add up. BTW, Arsenal is in 5th in the southern division of u-18, which is split into two groups. You can't say he's outgrown the level when the team is not even dominating their division. It’s mostly hype - reminds me of the Marshall Rutty talk although in fairness Flores has shown much more than JMR. i don’t watch Arenal U18s obviously but Flores was amazing in that Mexico / US / Colombia / Brazil tourney in the summer. Was probably the best player in the entire tournament. There’s definitely something there Bertuzzi44 and Unnamed Trialist 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 I get the sense he takes defenders on, and from the middle, so that stands out. He's also explosive, perhaps, without being lightning fast or physically powerful. All good. IMO he has no place on our 23-man roster, I'd take Lucas Dias or Mitrovic before him, I think both are further down the path. Dominic94, narduch, El Hombre and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baulderdash77 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said: Just curious, why do you say he is their best player, on Arsenal u-18? He has scored 6 in ten matches, but half were in the first game in August. He hasn't scored since October. And he's not their leading scorer despite often lining up in the striker role (or as an attacking mid). He just made his first appearance in the PL2 side, while a few more of the u18s have been up and played there as well. I have no basis to argue, but just wonder what your basis is to state that. Do you watch them? I just feel all this "he's dominant", "they are protecting him", "he's the best player", it does not add up. BTW, Arsenal is in 5th in the southern division of u-18, which is split into two groups. You can't say he's outgrown the level when the team is not even dominating their division. It’s not me who says that. It’s people in the club and in the media. However looking at his performance, he’s 2nd on the Arsenal U18 team in scoring with 6 plus 2 assists, from the AM position of a 4-2-3-1 (primary). He’s also the only one on the team with a professional contact at the moment and definitely their most talked about prospect. Xavier., Grandbloke and Ivan 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi44 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 He also has senior Mexico caps lol Obviously the kid has a lot of potential. Infernal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frmr Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 16 minutes ago, Bertuzzi44 said: He also has senior Mexico caps lol Obviously the kid has a lot of potential. He has one senior cap, and that single cap was an obvious panic call-up because we were sniffing around. Unnamed Trialist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi44 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 1 hour ago, frmr said: He has one senior cap, and that single cap was an obvious panic call-up because we were sniffing around. Exactly. Because he has a lot of potential. That's what I said. There are probably a lot of 18 year old dual-eligible Mexican players, but not all of them get senior callups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frmr Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 12 minutes ago, Bertuzzi44 said: Exactly. Because he has a lot of potential. That's what I said. There are probably a lot of 18 year old dual-eligible Mexican players, but not all of them get senior callups. I’m not denying that he has potential, I was just pedantically correcting you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, baulderdash77 said: It’s not me who says that. It’s people in the club and in the media. However looking at his performance, he’s 2nd on the Arsenal U18 team in scoring with 6 plus 2 assists, from the AM position of a 4-2-3-1 (primary). He’s also the only one on the team with a professional contact at the moment and definitely their most talked about prospect. He's only their most talked about prospect because Canadians and Mexicans are jawing over him. Nothing else. As I said: he scored a hattrick in August against Villa, think it was, first game of the season. Half his season total. I don't know: at Barça we are playing 5-6 kids of his age on the first team, moving back and forth sometimes between the reserves, and despite being absolutely terrible this year, we are better than Arsenal. Edited January 9, 2022 by Unnamed Trialist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Bertuzzi44 said: Exactly. Because he has a lot of potential. That's what I said. There are probably a lot of 18 year old dual-eligible Mexican players, but not all of them get senior callups. Mexico's key prospects were the ones who went to the Olympics and won a bronze, that is 20 young players right there to pick from. The only reason he's jumped ahead of that strong group is because we have made Mexico nervous as fuck, that is all. He's not even a pro yet, has no pro games. Otherwise, the pecking order has him below about 10-12 guys who have yet to break into the first team, but Tata was forced to break the standard protocol. johnyb and narduch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prairiecanuck Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Unnamed Trialist said: Mexico's key prospects were the ones who went to the Olympics and won a bronze, that is 20 young players right there to pick from. The only reason he's jumped ahead of that strong group is because we have made Mexico nervous as fuck, that is all. He's not even a pro yet, has no pro games. Otherwise, the pecking order has him below about 10-12 guys who have yet to break into the first team, but Tata was forced to break the standard protocol. Flores has undeniable technical qualities. I've said before some 18 year olds are full grown men. Some kids continue to physically mature well into their early 20s. Flores physical stature does not match his technical abilities. His pace and strength will continue to develop over the next couple years. His upside as a player really depends on how much development their is on the physical side. His Dad isn't small. I thought his mom would be short, but I saw a picture and she seemed quite tall too. Marcelo simply isn't ready physically to play professionally. This could change over the next 6 to 12 months though. Xavier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corazon Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 I saw a tweet from his father that he had retweeted from Transfermarkt. I'm not sure what the criteria is but apparently he is rated as the 2nd best player this season at the U18 level in England (1st on Arsenal u18's). Every player has a different path to the professional so I suspect he will make the jump in the coming years. Unfortunately at Arsenal, there are some very talented youngsters playing similar roles with the senior squad. We should see some more minutes with the u23's and hopefully a loan soon (hopefully after he commits to Canada). baulderdash77 and ted 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acid-Tone Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 On 1/9/2022 at 8:31 AM, prairiecanuck said: Flores physical stature does not match his technical abilities. His pace and strength will continue to develop over the next couple years. Someone get him on the Messi hGH program! Ruud 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachesl Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 today... Flores comes off the bench (minute unknown) and scores the final goal (67´) in a 4-1 victory for Arsenal U21s over Chelsea u21 who, albeit, were suffering from an early red card. Trois Reds 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, beachesl said: today... Flores comes off the bench (minute unknown) and scores the final goal (67´) in a 4-1 victory for Arsenal U21s over Chelsea u21 who, albeit, were suffering from an early red card. He came on m. 63 for another goal scorer. I believe this would be his first pro or senior competition match ever for a club. Explaining why... This is the EFL u-21 Cup, which is every team in League One and Two, all players eligible including loans, plus 16 clubs from higher divisions with a u-21 team, there are eligibility criteria. Then they have some invited clubs. Round one was a group stage. Then, they got through a knockout late last year, vs. Ipswich Town on penalties; I don't think Marcelo played any of those. And then this is a one-match knockout round on a pure draw, so if you like this is his first "pro" match in a competition involving full senior sides. They play Wigan at home in the last week of the month in quarter finals. Arsenal u-21 are the last u-21 from a EPL or Championship side standing. Edited January 11, 2022 by Unnamed Trialist beachesl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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