InglewoodJack Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Just now, Unnamed Trialist said: There are top 5 tennis players who've never won a grand slam. So what you’re saying is that Belgium is the Eugénie Bouchard of national teams? Unnamed Trialist, Jedi Ram, Olympique_de_Marseille and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 43 minutes ago, InglewoodJack said: So what you’re saying is that Belgium is the Eugénie Bouchard of national teams? Kournikova, sorry, it's generational. Olympique_de_Marseille, johnyb, Canuckia and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil R. Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 The FIFA website says the next rankings update is tomorrow. Nice to see we're moving up and getting closer to 1500. Imagine if we'd had the full points from 2 regulation wins in the Venezuela match and the Uruguay match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califax Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 Update is officially out. https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/men This is 40. Obinna, johnyb, Corazon and 5 others 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryker911 Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 Holding on for those last two minutes against Uruguay would have put us at 32. Jedi Ram, costarg, CanadianSoccerFan and 6 others 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 5 hours ago, Stryker911 said: Holding on for those last two minutes against Uruguay would have put us at 32. So if we did hold on for another 2 mins and got the win would we really be 8 spots better as a team than we are now? And conversely are we 8 spots worse as a team because we let Uruguay tie the game with 2 mins left? It's somewhat similar to what some say for players...is Bair now a better player because he got a transfer to Ligue 1? The points differential between a win and tie is too large if it results in a move from 40 to 32 imo. There's no differential for points if a team has a 0-1 loss or a 0-4 loss etc etc. Sorry just venting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahmedou Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 Canada ranked 40th There's 40 pages on this topic Jedi Ram and lamptern 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 2 hours ago, Kadenge said: So if we did hold on for another 2 mins and got the win would we really be 8 spots better as a team than we are now? And conversely are we 8 spots worse as a team because we let Uruguay tie the game with 2 mins left? It's somewhat similar to what some say for players...is Bair now a better player because he got a transfer to Ligue 1? The points differential between a win and tie is too large if it results in a move from 40 to 32 imo. There's no differential for points if a team has a 0-1 loss or a 0-4 loss etc etc. Sorry just venting. I mean, maybe? Being able to finish games like that vs not being able to really does seperate different levels of teams. I know people love to hate on the ranking system, but when you are trying to rank over 200 teams that play a handful of games per year, it's not going to be perfect. costarg, maplebanana and P-O 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califax Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 1 hour ago, ahmedou said: Canada ranked 40th There's 40 pages on this topic Corazon, Jedi Ram, PastPros and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 4 hours ago, Kadenge said: So if we did hold on for another 2 mins and got the win would we really be 8 spots better as a team than we are now? And conversely are we 8 spots worse as a team because we let Uruguay tie the game with 2 mins left? It's somewhat similar to what some say for players...is Bair now a better player because he got a transfer to Ligue 1? The points differential between a win and tie is too large if it results in a move from 40 to 32 imo. There's no differential for points if a team has a 0-1 loss or a 0-4 loss etc etc. Sorry just venting. Yup, it's exactly those little details and focus that makes the difference between a 32nd place team and 40th. We'll learn and be better for it. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 (edited) 11 hours ago, Stryker911 said: Holding on for those last two minutes against Uruguay would have put us at 32. To be fair, it was 15 minutes. There wasn't really a point where we were saying "let's hold on to win" that wasn't immediately after the David goal. To @Kadenge a lot of us understand that venting, but I think it is the case: holding on and getting third is worth at least 8 points. There are World Cups won or lost on a goal or a penalty kick. It seems fair to me, and especially in a sport where a goal means a lot. Did anyone watch what happened afterwards? Uruguay celebrated, they received third place medals, they posed thrilled with their medals. We missed all that by not holding on or winning in regular time or penalties. A medal in Copa America and tying the best result in Copa by an invited team--seems 8 spots in Fifa ranking is about right. Edited July 19 by Unnamed Trialist Kadenge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eramosat Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 CONCACAF teams were a net negative earner in the COPA, they lost more ranking points collectively than they earned, about -25. So once CONCACAF returns to swapping points amongst themselves? Well, they'll be worse off, on average. CONMEBOL managed to secure +130 points! The gap gets bigger... narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mihairokov Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 3 hours ago, eramosat said: CONCACAF teams were a net negative earner in the COPA, they lost more ranking points collectively than they earned, about -25. So once CONCACAF returns to swapping points amongst themselves? Well, they'll be worse off, on average. CONMEBOL managed to secure +130 points! The gap gets bigger... How does this compare to Centenario? In that Copa Haiti, Jamaica, and Panama were blasted into orbit, Mexico lost 7-0 to Chile in the QF, and the US lost 4-0 to Argentina in the SF. In 2015, neither Jamaica nor Mexico won a match. In 2011, Mexico were swept by Uruguay, Chile, and Peru. 2024 seems decent by comparison. Every Concacaf team won at least a match except for Jamaica, with the caveat that Mexico's only win was over Jamaica. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eramosat Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 18 minutes ago, Mihairokov said: How does this compare to Centenario? In that Copa Haiti, Jamaica, and Panama were blasted into orbit, Mexico lost 7-0 to Chile in the QF, and the US lost 4-0 to Argentina in the SF. In 2015, neither Jamaica nor Mexico won a match. In 2011, Mexico were swept by Uruguay, Chile, and Peru. 2024 seems decent by comparison. Every Concacaf team won at least a match except for Jamaica, with the caveat that Mexico's only win was over Jamaica. Hah! You are right...so 2024 was maybe relatively good for CONCACAF fortunes vs. CONMEBOL! 2016 was not that bad a showing, at least by ranking points if not scores...maybe...so perhaps CONCACAF is trending better/more competitive? Someone who has lived and died by Copa results as it relates to CONCACAF over this time can maybe chime in... Interesting to recall that 2019 invitees Japan and Qatar also had a very tough go. No victories, some draws but no advancement. Looking at the COPA history in more detail makes me think that Canada might be reviled if they are ever invited again. CONMEBOL is used to crushing their non-federation opponents, or at least leaving them with little satisfaction. Once again making this Canada run all the more impressive, and who knows...maybe they are on a definite upward trajectory? Obinna, narduch and Ivan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 4 hours ago, eramosat said: CONCACAF teams were a net negative earner in the COPA, they lost more ranking points collectively than they earned, about -25. So once CONCACAF returns to swapping points amongst themselves? Well, they'll be worse off, on average. CONMEBOL managed to secure +130 points! The gap gets bigger... Very interesting. I think with FIFA rankings the top dogs seem to have inflated rankings and my assumption was always that it's from being a big fish in a small pond. Your observation with the COPA results for CONCACAF and the lost points seem to support that. 74 Whitecap, Jedi Ram and Kadenge 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 8 hours ago, eramosat said: CONCACAF teams were a net negative earner in the COPA, they lost more ranking points collectively than they earned, about -25. So once CONCACAF returns to swapping points amongst themselves? Well, they'll be worse off, on average. CONMEBOL managed to secure +130 points! The gap gets bigger... This makes sense and why FIFA needs more inter Confed competitions to more accurately reflect rankings, especially for relatively weaker Confederations. king1010, 74 Whitecap and Obinna 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 7 hours ago, Mihairokov said: How does this compare to Centenario? In that Copa Haiti, Jamaica, and Panama were blasted into orbit, Mexico lost 7-0 to Chile in the QF, and the US lost 4-0 to Argentina in the SF. In 2015, neither Jamaica nor Mexico won a match. In 2011, Mexico were swept by Uruguay, Chile, and Peru. 2024 seems decent by comparison. Every Concacaf team won at least a match except for Jamaica, with the caveat that Mexico's only win was over Jamaica. Unfortunately we can't compare the ranking changes for 2016 vs 2024, since in 2016 it was under the old FIFA ranking system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSoccerFan Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 Moved up a measly 2 spots (6 points) for beating the 16th ranked team away from home. https://football-ranking.com/fifa-rankings The ranking math is truly farcical. We could beat the US 10 games in a row and still have fewer ranking points. narduch, johnyb, ahmedou and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 23 minutes ago, CanadianSoccerFan said: Moved up a measly 2 spots (6 points) for beating the 16th ranked team away from home. https://football-ranking.com/fifa-rankings The ranking math is truly farcical. We could beat the US 10 games in a row and still have fewer ranking points. Warning, there was a million popups. And some of the ads may make you blush. NSFW. Canuckia, ahmedou and Unnamed Trialist 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 37 minutes ago, CanadianSoccerFan said: Moved up a measly 2 spots (6 points) for beating the 16th ranked team away from home. https://football-ranking.com/fifa-rankings The ranking math is truly farcical. We could beat the US 10 games in a row and still have fewer ranking points. By design. FIFA don't want too much change in the top 20. narduch and ahmedou 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 1 hour ago, costarg said: By design. FIFA don't want too much change in the top 20. Fifa doesn't set it up so the US always plays at home, which is what really skews the rankings. It's the consent of CONCACAF and Canada is complicit with that. ahmedou, RJB and Kusch to the Corner 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 What is the US' true away record the last 5 years? The seemed to drop a lot of points away in the Ocho... ahmedou and narduch 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigi riva Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 9 minutes ago, youllneverwalkalone said: What is the US' true away record the last 5 years? The seemed to drop a lot of points away in the Ocho... I cannot be all that great ahmedou 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 8 minutes ago, youllneverwalkalone said: What is the US' true away record the last 5 years? The seemed to drop a lot of points away in the Ocho... Remember in Nations League when they lost away to bloody Trinidad and Tobago. That was a major tell ahmedou 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 41 minutes ago, youllneverwalkalone said: What is the US' true away record the last 5 years? The seemed to drop a lot of points away in the Ocho... 4-8-8 all games not on US soil since the loss to Canada in fall 2019 in Toronto. They've won four of twenty away from home in 5 years. 74 Whitecap, Corazon, MauditYvon and 9 others 7 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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